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stop your obsession with others might be a start
in other words, you don't have the foggiest, just pop up on here to criticise me now and then.... Shane, i like you, but your betting credentials amount to zero. for all the forum knows, you've never had a bet in your life. i'm on here willing to discuss bets everyday happily on the other hand... |
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i agree somewhat Bobbin but there's people here like SCV and Investor making more money than anyone i've ever met in real life
Well if you don't believe them then it's irrelevant thinking about them. If you do believe them, you'll note that at no point do they say 'somebody else told me to do X and that's how I make money'. They worked out how to win by themselves. They looked for questions and then they tried to answer them. All you do is look at broad concepts like 'backing something at the start of a match and then jumping out at some point'. Until you start focusing on why exactly you might want to jump in and out at a particular point, you'll never get anywhere. You look for reasons for why a particular price might be good or bad. Then you test out your logic and see if it stands up and gives you a position you can make money from. |
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i try to pour out all my thoughts on market trading on here and hope someone will help me further.
mine are: back high, lay low back goals markets then nervously wait to trade out lower. i am yet to see anyone develop on this |
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back goals markets then nervously wait to trade out lower.
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Back high, lay low? You can get that from Betfair For Dummies. That's seriously all you can come up with after all the hundreds (possibly thousands) of hours you've spent on here asking question after question? If you can't dig deeper than that then you're just wasting your time Paul.
Nobody is going to give you the 'magic key'. Usually because there's no such thing - just angles and instincts honed from hours of betting or research. Almost anyone who has discovered anything in betting has discovered it after trying countless other ideas. There's absolutely no reason for them to give you anything to go on if you can't even be bothered to think beyond 'Back high, lay low'. |
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i've tried lots. the one aaron rightly laughs at, as it's so tragic, above is the best i got so far. *sigh*
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Oh dear. That's not much to show for all these months of forum-stalking. Either your thought processes aren't up to the job, or you're simply not thinking about it hard enough. You've got to be able to build on that. You've got to have a reason for backing a choice. You can't even think of specific reasons for backing or laying??
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people say if the price is wrong but how do we know if it's wrong
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Well what factors go into determining the price of, for example, a horse?
Go on. Name them. |
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form, stable, trainer, jockey, age, handicapm course, going.....
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Okay. Take form. That's just a vague term. How do you measure 'form'? What yardsticks would you use?
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Fútbol: USD145.59 G-P total: USD145.59 Fútbol Mostrar 1 - 4 de 4 mercados Mercado Hora de inicio Última fecha establecida Ganancia/pérdida ($) Fútbol / Libertad v Cruz Azul : Marcador final 08-may-12 20:30 08-may-12 22:22 1,17 Fútbol / Libertad v Cruz Azul : Cuotas de partido 08-may-12 20:30 08-may-12 22:22 5,41 Fútbol / Velez v Atletico Nacional : Cuotas de partido 08-may-12 17:59 08-may-12 19:54 91,26 Fútbol / Liverpool - Chelsea : Más/Menos de 5.5 goles 08-may-12 14:00 08-may-12 15:56 47,75 |
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Investor I did have any pre off bets last night
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didn't
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bob.vegas
09 May 12 01:11 Joined: 27 Apr 12 | Topic/replies: 839 | Blogger: bob.vegas's blog i agree somewhat Bobbin but there's people here like SCV and Investor making more money than anyone i've ever met in real life I take that to be a rather damning reflection of the socio-economic status of the people you associate with. |
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bob.vegas 09 May 12 00:27
not share profits just see how we all do with the same methods, no harm done. If they tell you their methods so you're doing the same thing in the same markets on the same games, please tell me how that wouldn't be sharing their profits? |
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Neither has he answered the question of why exactly these people (who've presumably spent many hours honing their approach) would want to just tell some perfect stranger (and a fairly intolerant and charmless one at that) everything that they've found out. I'm not really sure what would be in it for them. (I'm guessing Bob's eternal thanks for showing him the route to 'easy riches' wouldn't prove sufficient..)
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Contrarian would you say you are a bit of a snob/pain in the arse?
Biscuit - surely enough liquidity so that we're all making decent amounts... |
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Bob - do you take in anything you actually read on this forum?
You've been here a long time yet you still don't seem to be able to understand what people post. If you just read what people posted and thought about it, instead of questioning all and sundry for not posting up their exact bets, then surely it wouldn't be too hard to work out what they do. Look at investor the other day, he lost something like 30k on 3 games. Chelsea v QPR, Betis v Atletico and Barca when they won 7-0. What happened in those games? Goals that came quickly in a short space of time. What did he lose on last night? liverpool v chelsea. What happened in that game. Goals that came quickly in a short space of time. Do you see a pattern emerging here Bob? |
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Cooee, he has demonstrated countless times now that he is unwilling or unable (maybe both) to give any kind of in depth thought to developing a strategy, preferring to be convinced that everyone making money here has a secret key to success that they are unfairly and ungenerously withholding from him.
Each time someone, usually you  , attempts to lead him into the right areas he drops the conversation dead and bounces up somewhere else with more superficial, irrelevant, incredulous questions. Take the "golden nugget" example, he banged on about that for ages, even created a thread about it but ever since I revealed all he's gone all shy about it, |
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But why Bob??? Why do you deserve to have them tell you anything? They've worked to discover what they know. Why shouldn't you be expected to do the same???
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The golden nugget isn't a bad approach for somebody who's happy with putting in a long stint and getting a little bit of profit out. Much more productive ways to work, but it could certainly be profitable.
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Do you see a pattern emerging here Bob?
hmm ok so as i put to buzzer last night do i back, for example, under 2.5 pre off then sit nervously waiting for some pre-planned exit point? then do i trade again or just leave it? are you making as much as investor and SCV then bizzo seen as you know what they do...? |
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True Cooee, the main obstacle is beating the people who are already doing it - like every other niche here!
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he has demonstrated countless times now that he is unwilling or unable (maybe both) to give any kind of in depth thought to developing a strategy
where? i'd love to make this work. what makes me so abrasive sometimes is that i post on this thread as a traditional punter and everyone else posts as a trader or, in some cases, arber. just makes it really hard ya know. i would love to join in that's all  |
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Oh my God. This is excruciating....
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That was a response to the 12:58 message, by the way...
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explain Bobbin/Cat. help me out. Biscuit says it would take SCV/Investor profit share but it seems i'm the only one not employing their methods no?
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the 12.58 is what i understand by what they do
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until i know more why wouldn't i ask them stuff each night. it fascinates me
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Catflopp i'm guessing this will fizzle out to nothing again and i'll continue searching for what everyone else seems to be doing... *sigh*
in the meantime i have not shyed away from the golden nugget chat, far from it. i have created a thread in GB for us to discuss it further if you don't mind. thanks see ya there |
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bob.vegas 09 May 12 12:58
hmm ok so as i put to buzzer last night do i back, for example, under 2.5 pre off then sit nervously waiting for some pre-planned exit point? then do i trade again or just leave it? Well i personally would think they'd trade in a higher goals market but whether they do or not is irrelevant as the process is still the same. Can i ask you in your many months here, how many matches have you sat there and tried out trading a goals market on a game? |
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Bob, don't take this the wrong way. Are you really sure you have the intellect to do betting? It does seem you can only ever think about things in the most basic sense. And that would be understandable for somebody who had been doing this for a few days. But you've been here for, what, almost a year??? And you still know precisely nothing. Your back 2.5 pre-off is only the slightest hint of a system. It's no more than that.
This is the equivalent of somebody jumping around on a mountain and pulling up a bone, and then grabbing some nearby paleontologist and saying 'have I got a full skeleton here'. The palaeontologist patiently explains that, no, all they have there is one bone. They'll have to get more than that. A year later, that same person is still hopping around on the same mountain, having been there every day for an entire year. That person is still pulling up a bone, showing it to a nearby palaeontologist and saying 'have I got a full skeleton here'? You just aren't developing. At all! |
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Contrarian would you say you are a bit of a snob/pain in the arse?
Yes. |
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good analogy Bobbin. can anyone throw me some more bones?
yes biscuit i've tried the above but goals flew in and it went against me. sometimes i managed to trade out if no goals. |
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ah ok at least you're honest Contrarian. Magician said you were a nice chap. you come across as an arse on here so i was unsure. good day to you.
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bob.vegas 09 May 12 13:15
yes biscuit i've tried the above but goals flew in and it went against me. sometimes i managed to trade out if no goals. What goals market were you trading and how many times did you trial it? |
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Paul,
As I said to you before, at least half of what I write on here is tongue-in-cheek. I've got a couple of serious questions for you: 1. Do you believe that anyone could be taught how to bet/trade profitably on Betfair? If the answer to 1. is 'no', then do you believe that you have what it takes to be taught to bet/trade profitably here? |
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under 2.5 chiefly
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Erm... My point is that most people would, by now, have realised that they needed more than one bone to create a full specimen. And they would, over the course of a year, have discovered how to start fitting bones together by themselves. If you're incapable of doing that without somebody telling you exactly which bones to pick up and exactly how to put them together, you have no chance. Even if they build an entire specimen for you, unless you can work out how to put the bones together, you won't be able to make any further specimens by yourself.
Betting is a business for people who can work things out for themselves. If you can't do that, you need to look at doing something else. |