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Great that we look to have retained the Ashes. 4 tosses lost, had the worst of the conditions and Lyon out injured. Haven't played our best cricket either. It's good to be the no. 1 test side in the world.
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well done TMB..won some key moments ultimately but feels as though you were hanging on here to say the least..
a few issues for Australia going forward with Warner's continued decline, Smith and Labuschagne not hitting their heights for the most part...rather more surprising was how quickly the wheels came off at times when England went on the full attack with the bat... Cummins looks knackered after 5 consecutive games in quick succession (with the WTC) - can't really rotate the skipper the way every other seam bowler has been...Boland who'd been so impressive going into the series got knocked off his metronomic line and length rather easily...I thought England would get found out quite badly this series but it's been a long way from that... |
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This has to be the last time Old Trafford gets a crucial Ashes test match ffs
This is the second time they've had a crucial fourth test (2013 the other from memory) and it's been drawn because of rain with a team chasing a win, if they don't just give it a first test from now on it'll be an utter disgrace. When most of the country is basking in sunshine Manchester is pi33ing down (been sunny since 2 here in Nottinghamshire) so why run the risk of giving a big test such as this is idiotic. Congratulations to Australia, they've pretty much got full revenge for 2013, the broad incident avenged and it's gone full circle with them retaining the urn at Old Trafford because of rain. On the whole it's just about deserved but sick we didn't get a chance to level it. |
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Always takes 2 teams to make a contest and Pomms have done well. They haven't won though and for me its all about results. All the issues above are correct but its still not led to a loss. We can play better there is no doubt about that but credit to England who had this game won.
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And the weather for Manchester tomorrow... interval Sunshine and no rain
Fook off, Manchester, and take Oasis with you. Di cks. Try My Best, enjoy it mate. We did during 2013 and this feels like a real boot on other foot moment if ever this analogy was more apt. Hopefully we give it a go in Australia next series |
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Hopefully some benefitted from this financially
If you did nice one |
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Went on the first day SS and nearly got sunstroke it was that warm. Manchester a great city and I disagree about the venue. Found the atmosphere great and the VIP tickets very good.
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over 2 years to the next series in Oz ... england will need to look at bowlers coming through as Anderson: likely Broad as well & Woakes won't play over there ... Potts & Carse at Durham are prospects with lots of potential to move into the squad alongside Tongue .. lets hope some more front up so we have choices
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It's the risky weather try my best
Yeah for sure Geordie, bowling will look different in 2 years time Archer looks done so need another nasty fooker Curran not really cut out for tests either |
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Wood will surely be one
But there's no way we can go rocking up there with Anderson, Robinson and Woakes again 78mph back of a length trundlers  |
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Australians all let us rejoice!
England deserved to lose for picking a knackered old frat like Anderson. And a for playing Bairstow at the stumps. His only contribution with the bat was to delay a much needed declaration on the third day, by his own admission he is not fit enough to keep wicket and he has been pony all series. As for Bazball, For me it is the coach giving a bunch of one day batsmen the licence to do what they want in the 5 day game. Test cricket is not the pinnacle of the game anymore. T20 and the world cup is. If you want to make serious bucks in cricket you want to get an IPL contract. That has to be the biggest motivation for young players. England running up big scores against a bunch of disinterested Zedders & Pakistan test cricketers is all well and good. The real test will be in the winter in India. And then the next Ashes down under. I can only see more defeat. Lets face facts. The English can go on about rain in manchester and cheating Aussies all they like but at best they might have nicked this series 3-2. Considering they lost the last Ashes in Oz by 4-0 and its a bit like claiming a victory over Real Madrid at home in the UCL only to lose on aggregate 6-3. I think the Aussies have done brilliantly well being asked to play 6 test matches away from home in quick succession. Their retention of the Urn is fully deserved. |
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stokes and alex hartley on tms, " if anyone suggest that we should have declared earlier on friday, they dont know anything about the game", what a stupid comment, of course he should have dec sooner
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to be fair they should have also batted 1st after winning toss,seems under bazzball their always going to have a bowl 1st,maybe bazzball doesnt work when batting 1st on 1st morning of a test match
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got very spikey when asked same ? on sky ,one word answer NO
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as a non cricketing expert who likes test cricket, why cant they come back tomorrow and finish this?........its going to be dry all day. i dont get it.
admit it. this has totally ruined the whole series. there has only been 3.333 days play in the 4th test. why cant we finish off the 1.67 days play when it dries up? |
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The next test is thursday.
So you give both teams two days off after having played 4 tests almost back to back. Brilliant idea. Fact is England had enough chances to win at OT even in the time alotted. They had 3 hours last night and did the square root of fluck all. The time requirement on the modern elite professional sportsman is incredibly pressurised. The idea of having an 'extra day' in case of rain for a spoilt test match, its a non runner. sorry. |
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stokes thinks theres BIGGER things than the ashes
just chases headlines spouting **** to create headlines almost as though he,s trying to knee cap test cricket,so they can all get millions to dress in their PJ,s |
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thelatarps................"So you give both teams two days off after having played 4 tests almost back to back.Brilliant idea."
they have had the whole of today off and most of yesterday off..........im sure they can manage it..........anyway, have at least 2 weeks before each test...........crikey man, work it out. |
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the amount of grand slam tennis tournaments that went on to be played on the monday.......too many to mention..........maybe we should have joint winners when the final cannot be played because of rain.....
it makes a a farce of the game. this series has been a gift to sport, but its been decided by rain now. what a total joke.........monday has all day sunshine. |
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Almost certainly the Australian Board who decreed the team should play 6 Tests in 8 weeks...players don't like long tours anymore
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This series has been driven by the english sporting media narrative of BazBall reclaiming the Ashes.
Asking a visiting team to play 5 tests in 6 weeks is unprecedented in the sport. The ECB have their godawful Hundred to promote during August, so their Ashes scheduling means there is no room for any extra days. If England really cared then they shouldnt give a Test to a dreadful p155-stained hell hole like W@nkfester. |
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The BBC:- "As skipper, Cummins looked devoid of inspiration, not helped by half his team trying to get in on the leadership act. Smith huffed around like a man who knew he had not lost in any of his six Tests as an Ashes captain.
Australia's attempt to bounce back from being outplayed at Old Trafford will be aided by the freedom of knowing the Ashes are not on the line at The Oval. The tourists might also be helped by some deflation in an England team whose Ashes dream has died". As bitter, twisted and ungracious as usual. Shovelling their normal bitterness in para 1 and giving England an advance excuse for losing the fifth test in para 2. |
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a draw is part of the game in cricket,effects the toss,tempo of the game etc etc
to the usual loons saying we couild have played today what about if it rained today and tomorrow do you play wed,or is the rule only one extra day and only for england,when a draw doesnt suit them with extra time in a day,guaranteed overs in a day,the draw weather apart has already been basically taken out of text cricket,despite a 1000 runs in the game, 25 wkts, without the weather this game could have been over in 3.5 days |
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Thats what you get with a bunch of lazy english journos who are used to covering soccer.
They turn up to the summer events with no understanding of the sport. So if its horse racing its all about Frankie. If its golf its Rory. Cricket, its Aussie bashing then turn on the home team when they dont win. Typical tabloid horse manure. For my money I should imagine that Aus cant wait to get out of here. They will probably play an experimental side for the final test which is after all now a non event. The bullsh!t piles so high you need wings to fly above it all. Eng will probably win and then the journos will turn turtle and start declaring them the 'moral victors' or some such carp. |
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I dont think England did much wrong in this Test. its been a pretty good series, enjoyable as the teams are evenly matched but a little low on Kwality imho
I hope little Reggie the leggie gets a chance at The Oval. Tongue for Anderson. I think Broad might be carrying a niggle. It was strange seeing an Australian side so spooked. |
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not a non event for the Aussies at all, thelatarps - a number of the senior pro's have never won a series in England and still haven't at this point...they will be extremely keen to avoid Eng drawing the series as happened last time...retaining ashes for any side with a drawn series is far less enjoyable...
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Test cricket is not the pinnacle of the game anymore.
T20 and the world cup is. trying to think who the current holders of those two titles is... |
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T20 - England
ODI - New Zealand |
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old trafford rain almost cost us the series in 2005 as well
the length england batted here is a non issue. scored something like 85 in 11 overs after lunch friday and needed every last run as it turned out. 10/10 performance from england but hard to win in 3 days play on a decent surface |
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yeh but over a short distance england could have scored 15+ an over if needed ,if ozzies got enough to make them bat again
1 more wkt on fri meant starting off 6 down on sat,would make a big difference mentally to ozzies saving the game |
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elisjohn • July 23, 2023 6:41 PM BST
stokes and alex hartley on tms, " if anyone suggest that we should have declared earlier on friday, they dont know anything about the game", what a stupid comment, of course he should have dec sooner Who actually said that, Stokes or Hartley? |
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 Assuming it's Stokes, pretty dismissive.After Root was out, with the lead on 34, England scored at 3 an over for the final 11 overs of day 2, after scoring at almost 6 an over beforehand. What's wrong with this scenario?: Swing for the fences for 5 overs, get the lead up to around 100, declare and get 4 overs at Aus before stumps. There were 76 overs of play on day 3, 30 overs on day 4. Aus would've been in survival mode and if England could've bowled them out in time, would only have been about 200 ahead - chaseable in 20 overs. England take the 2nd new ball at the start of day 3, bowl out Aus within the hour, have a chance to knock off the runs in the last hour and a half. What's wrong is that Cummins would've been told to bowl Lasagne and Head, refused, and they'd have gone off for bad light. But the decision to score the runs up front wasn't as clear cut as some have made out I think. Hussain and Butcher were adamant that it was right to bat once. Maybe TMS discussed it during the rain but I only heard Agnew and Tufnell suggest in passing that declaring at lunchtime might've made more sense. Maybe Stokes was hoping for extra scoreboard pressure, but Aus know how dangerous England are when chasing. Bazball means England can inject time into a game sure, but only while batting - taking 10 wickets takes as long as ever and the Aus first innings lasted 90 overs. |
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England take the 2nd new ball at the start of day 4 I meant of course. Don't wanna pile onto Stokes for not declaring, it was still a massive long shot. Just some comms treated it as automatically the way to go, Butcher even said oh, having to bat again takes time out of the game. Was this really a factor, 10 minutes ie 2 overs?
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I agree with Stokes and the woman Alex Hartley!
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would they have left brookes play around to get a 100 with tail enders if it was bairstow who got out ?
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or 99?
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joe root told the bbc that they should be continuing to play to 9.30 pm (on day 2 and 3) when there is a high risk of rain as in this case given rain was guaranteed on 4th and 5th day.
there also was a reserve day for a test match between india and australia. i will repeat what i said earlier. this has been a great series but has been totally ruined by not playing on monday to make up for the time lost due to rain or as root said play some more time on 2nd and 3rd day. it turns test cricket into a total farce. i cant get my head around it. the whole series is ruined........talk about turning heaven into hell for the sake of dumb old rules..........this isnt 1921. https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/66289926 |
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Fo,B, Stokes said it to aggers, and Hartley agreed with Stokes in her summoning up , whats worse Hartley added " as they knew there was going to be no play in last 2 days
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