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By:
wondersobright
When: 08 Sep 19 11:07

Sep 8, 2019 -- 11:02AM, Blackrock wrote:


Only way we can get a draw is a bomb scare. Forget a victory, defensive cricket is the order of the day.Our top order is atrocious and doesn't give Root any room to work with tactically. I prefer the captaincy to be given to somebody else but not Stokes. Wouldn't want a 'top' player to be captain as i think it takes away from their natural game. Short on ideas as who this should be.


burns could do it in a year or 2 imo...doesn't help now

By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 08 Sep 19 11:07
Broad
Woakes
Archer
Curran

Broad leading

Stokes can concentrate entirely on his batting in my opinion, use him but not a lot as his talent entirely lies with his batting and fielding

Broad can lead that line well enough in my opinion
By:
wondersobright
When: 08 Sep 19 11:09

Sep 8, 2019 -- 11:06AM, tomtimtum wrote:


I do however think too much is made of captaincy, just pick your best team and pick a captain from it.


wouldn't underestimate it T3

the difference between the impact a good captain can make & a bad captain can make
on the same team

is pretty big pour moi

By:
wondersobright
When: 08 Sep 19 11:09
both mentally & actual cricketing decisions
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 08 Sep 19 11:10
With Stokes alongside him it'd work

Broad isn't daft he knows the game inside out
By:
tomtimtum
When: 08 Sep 19 11:10
so much of the analysis is done off the field these days, the captain doesn't really need to do as much
By:
johnnythebull
When: 08 Sep 19 11:13
or he can actually do sweet FA as little joe is proving
By:
wondersobright
When: 08 Sep 19 11:13
captains need to be able to react to situations as they happen

not stick rigidly to plan A cooked up in the dressing room
By:
tomtimtum
When: 08 Sep 19 11:14
I think the first priority should be to find a captain whose game won't suffer from the responsibility, that person clearly isnt root
By:
wondersobright
When: 08 Sep 19 11:14
root is a terrible captain
cook was the same

strauss was the last decent captain we had
before that vaughan & nasser we're v good imo
By:
wondersobright
When: 08 Sep 19 11:14
vaughan especially
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 08 Sep 19 11:16
Strauss led us to number 1 and victory in australia so can't argue with that

Cook was debatable, he did win in India and won us Ashes on home soil

Root as managed to lose on home soil and get battered in Australia
By:
elisjohn
When: 08 Sep 19 11:17
when does 5 test start, is it wed or thurs , thx?
By:
tomtimtum
When: 08 Sep 19 11:18
Strauss had a great team
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 08 Sep 19 11:18
thurs
By:
Libertine93
When: 08 Sep 19 11:18
I think the comparison between Stokes/Flintoff/Botham is ridiculous. Similar sorts of cricketers on the field maybe but all have massively different personalities. Stokes is easily the most suited to captaincy in my opinion. I think people have a misconception that he’s this feisty almost aggressive character but he’s actually very understated and grounded. Everyone in the game always goes on about how hard he works at his game. He’s easily the most professional of the 3 as well
By:
wondersobright
When: 08 Sep 19 11:19
agree T3 but I've not been blinded by that
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 08 Sep 19 11:19
Still had to be led though tom

Root would have managed to lose with that test side in my opinion
By:
Angoose
When: 08 Sep 19 11:19
Andrew Samson
BBC Test Match Special statistician

I've been looking at teams that have gone into final day in fourth innings two down, needing over 300 to win.
It has happened 42 times. The team batting last has saved 12 of those - so there is about a 28.75% chance of England saving this match.
By:
wondersobright
When: 08 Sep 19 11:19

Sep 8, 2019 -- 11:18AM, Libertine93 wrote:


I think the comparison between Stokes/Flintoff/Botham is ridiculous. Similar sorts of cricketers on the field maybe but all have massively different personalities. Stokes is easily the most suited to captaincy in my opinion. I think people have a misconception that he’s this feisty almost aggressive character but he’s actually very understated and grounded. Everyone in the game always goes on about how hard he works at his game. He’s easily the most professional of the 3 as well


great post

By:
Blackrock
When: 08 Sep 19 11:21
I go back to Ray Illingworth and Mike Brearley. Good capt's they were.Wink
By:
elisjohn
When: 08 Sep 19 11:25
to be honest nearly all the old players could have been good captains, they understood the game,
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 08 Sep 19 11:27
Strauss was a damned “ pounder “

Cook to a degree the same without being able to think for himself

Vaughan a genuine leader and good Captain
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 08 Sep 19 11:30
28.75% is statistical

This pitch pushes the odds against saving the game

England need a good hour here. If they can survive the first hour the second is easier.
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 08 Sep 19 11:32
The roller wears off certainly this afternoon if not before. No demons in the pitch YET

Concentrate boys
By:
johnnythebull
When: 08 Sep 19 11:32
if they survive the 1st 6 hrs the 7th gets easierWink
By:
Libertine93
When: 08 Sep 19 11:33
Australia’s odds are crazy imo. They win this game at least 9 times out of 10
By:
SaveTheWhales.
When: 08 Sep 19 11:33
WD for captain
By:
wondersobright
When: 08 Sep 19 11:36
fkin stupid
By:
Libertine93
When: 08 Sep 19 11:39
Be interesting to see how Lyon does. Redemption for the third test on the cards here, especially given the stick the crowd are giving him
By:
tomtimtum
When: 08 Sep 19 11:45
if these two post big scores will be an even bigger shock than Headingley imo!
By:
Libertine93
When: 08 Sep 19 11:47
I’m shocked Roy has lasted this long Tom!
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 08 Sep 19 11:47
Lyon has not been bowling well thank heavens

These two doing much better than could be hoped for. They must hang on in to lunch now. Ball by bal, over by over
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 08 Sep 19 11:48
Get to lunch and their bowlers will start straining for a wicket

ball wears and then its easier

Expecting 2 wickets to fall quickly and be over though
By:
wondersobright
When: 08 Sep 19 11:49

Sep 8, 2019 -- 11:47AM, Libertine93 wrote:


I’m shocked Roy has lasted this long Tom!


best batsman we have in white ball imo so he's clearly not a mug

flaws in his technique for red ball, yes
too aggressive for red ball, at the moment yes
but a mug? no chance

By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 08 Sep 19 11:50
If Roy scores a century here and rescues the test match he'll be in for the next decade
By:
wondersobright
When: 08 Sep 19 11:50
denly is looking too flash
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 08 Sep 19 11:51
Denly can't be flash

We are trying to save the match ffs
By:
wondersobright
When: 08 Sep 19 11:52
he's playing like a pr1ck
By:
wondersobright
When: 08 Sep 19 11:52
forget about this 380 bollox
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