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Apart from some rain affected draws, a result venue. Weather looks OK with just a few showers.
England has a good record here. Does spin later and if Pak are not too far adrift after the 1st innings, Shah could make it close.
I expect an England win, but too short for me at 1.7.
England has a good record here. Does spin later and if Pak are not too far adrift after the 1st innings, Shah could make it close.
I expect an England win, but too short for me at 1.7.
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Weather looks fine to me. Have laid the draw to start with.
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Yep, probably a big bet on England then not follow the game would work. England look to have better batting in these conditions, despite three dodgy batsmen in the top 5, even before you account for a good tail versus a poor one. The England attack is also quite a bit better, even missing Stokes. Edgbaston normally offers a pretty even contest between bat and ball though, so we could see good Pakistan with the bat for long enough to make a competitive game of it.
Anyway, have a draw lay in at 4s. Seems a good place to start. |
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England look too strong overall. I just hope we see the other Pakistan. Will wait for pitch and weather also Pakistan team. Pakistan bowlers could still prove a handful in the right conditions but will they?
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If Pak bat first and post 300+, e'll have a game. Otherwise Eng will bat them ot of it again.
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Same as fatslogger, draw layed, hopefully job done.
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Forecasts were saying yesterday very showery week ahead with fronts coming in from the Atlantic & BBC long range showing a lot of rain in Midlands around Wed/Thurs. Now showing no rain for first 4 days of Edgbaston
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I tried to lay the draw around 4, but now over 5. Layed Pak for not much.
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England's current seamers have a good record here, and I expect them to restrict Pak to no more than 200 1st innings.
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A seam attack of Anderson, Broad, Woakes and Finn or Ball is pretty juicy, yes. I don't look too much at player ground records because there's a sample size problem but you'd not expect Pak to make a lot of runs against them, no.
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If the sun has got his hat on there is nothing in the wicket or in the air then Lakistan are quite capable of scoring 350 first up. I wouldn't bet against them if they win the toss but then I wouldn't bet on them if they lost it either. Their attack remains potent and it misfired badly last time. England got the best of the conditions but made full use of them. They are the better side by far.
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i just cant see anything other than an England win here. 1.6 seems fair enough. I thought Pakistan had quite a bit of luck in their first innings at Lords and they still only scored 339, in their next 3 innings they haven't scored more than 234. All of that means that i dont even think England will have to bat that well to win the match.
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The great thing about pakistan cricket is that they are capable of anything. I said in the last game, Pakistan can't put together too good performances back to back. And they proved me right in a way only pakistan can manage.
Im pretty sure in one of the next 2 games, when conditions favor the bowling and England are under pressure, they will crumble. I won't be surprised at a sub 150 score from England down the line. Im just too scared to trust Pakistan either way. |
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Agree Det but as DAN points out, Pakistan could do England for not very many runs and still lose the game. I make the odds about right at the moment. I could make a plausible case for a draw lay to keep but it's not an especially appealing trade price.
WTF, they're playing tomorrow? Oh, I see, tomorrow Wednesday. Still a bit odd though. |
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lay paki...got the last two initial bets wrong...but came out level.
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England are not the "better side by far".
England are capable of an exaggeratedly high-margin win, but that (dominance within one game) is different from being a sure thing before the start. When conditions were slower (Lord's) then the frailties of England's batting were clear to see. On a quicker pitch where the batsmen didn't need to display more patient technique (OT) and concentration for long periods then it helped Cook and Root completely neutralise Pak's bowling and the scoreboard/time continuum did the rest. Don't forget how dominant Pak were at Lord's. They were better value than the simple 88 run win (in itself a wide enough margin). These are two evenly matched sides on quality. This time it's more than 10 days since Pak spent all that time in the field. In the second Test having to field first, only 5 days after their Sunday 4th innings heroics would have done PAkistan no favours. Granted; conditions again favour England to a certain extent. But this pitch will be slower than OT with a better expectation for Pak's bowlers to limit England's rate of scoring which will demand more patience. In recent years England have not been as good a team when they've had to grind with the bat. The OT pregame prices were closer to what you should be seeing here, and vice versa. Meaning what? Draw was a brilliant lay sub 3/1 at OT early in the week. Was closer to 4/1 by the start. Could reasonably be a bit shorter here with England 1.83 or 1.9 Draw will probably be a lay at some point - possibly after a slowish first couple of sessions. England win the most likely outcome but hard to imagine 1.58 is the best you'll see. Pak get to 135/2 at tea on day one and Eng will be a nice price. |
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The trouble with England, is with the side they have at the moment, they are reliant on Joe Root, Alistair Cook, Jonny Bairstow and Chris Woakes to score the majority of their runs. Alex Hales, is not good enough, against this quality Pakistan attack, James Vince is simply not good enough to play Test Cricket, Garry Ballence is ok but we need more from him, Moheen Ali, against this bowling attack is just not good enough and is a walking wicket. Broad, Wood and Anderson won't score very many runs 30-40 maxumum if Broad has a good day, 10 if he has a bad day.
Now Pakistan, their batting apart from the middle order, is mainly average to poor and England are capable of running through their last 4 wickets in a hurry. I happen to think in England, England are the far better equipped side, because their batting is more reliable than Pakistans and although Pakistan have the slightly better bowling attack, I expect England to win this series. Remember, England were dire in that first Test and the difference in the sides was just 75 runs. England got it all together at Old Trafford and found a way to play Yasir Shah and won by a million miles or 330 runs and remember also that England lost just 9 wickets in the match, so nearly an innings and 330 runs. However backing England at 8/15 or 1/2, I'll let the game run abit and hope to get a better price. |
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england's top order misfiring is not exactly new though, is it ? since the debacle against sri lanka in 2014 when they were still recovering from the ashes the previous winter england have lost 1 series to pakistan in the emirates when a 2-0 scoreline did them no justice really
have beaten australia and south africa away basically relying on cook, root and bairstow latterly with everyone else making occasional contributions and of course a top class bowling attack in anything but the most spin friendly conditions |
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There's a bit of exaggeration about how dominant Pakistan was at Lord's in the posts above, I think. England had the game at their mercy before Root got himself out and had them 60/4 second innings and were all over them like a rash for the next half an hour plus and hugely unlucky not to take the fifth wicket, from where a run through the tail and a very feasible chase seemed likely. Okay, it's just two points in a game that England didn't bat at all well in and deserved to lose but it does indicate how easily the England attack could turn even a dodgy position into a strong one, especially against a Pakistan batting line up that lacks class in several positions (and where it has class, it may be over the hill); handles movement badly and has a long tail. It does suggest a swingy series betting wise but not one you'd want to be heavy on the draw in for too long. That certainly burned me badly at Old Trafford. I don't think the England price for Edgbaston is generous but neither does it seem like a huge lay.
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I'm hoping we see the draw shorten day 1 as too big to lay currently. Although, I'm not that optimistic.
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Bit of money around for Pakistan at 3s but i think they will need to win toss and bat first to have any chance here, even with stokes missing i do not think it weakens england too much with woakes batting so well, overall Pakistan batting looks a bit weak and over the course of a Test match i think England should come through, at the 1-2 or 8-15 being offered for english win is very skinny might get better price if England bat 2nd could be worth a bet then.
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Starting with a Lay of ENG at 1.59, cant be convinced Eng wont trade evens or better at some stage.
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I'd be backing England big if i could be arsed waiting 4 or 5 days for a payout
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pitch looks "dry and abrasive"according to the comms,spin and reverse to come into play?
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good work Terry
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hows it going tom?..been away for a few days and had no wifi
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Been some great test match cricket
Hopefully this will be a good un |
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yeah,hoping so,wanted to lay draw but to high at the mo,are you on owt yet?
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Nothing, not sure what I'm going to do
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Think I will lay whoever bowls first if the pitch looks decent
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tempted with Aussie England double and take the dog for a long walk
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yeah wait and see job,just happy theres soo much cricket on next few days
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That SL test will be interesting, tempted to get up early and watch it, kept missing the first 2 sessions last match
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yep,my alarm will be set..only too many beers will stop me being up on time
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draw keeps on drifting
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SL test is tricky, have to try and work out if the first match was a fluke performance
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the odds swings on the draw are enough to get the juices flowing
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very hard to see a draw in this game, weather looks good
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