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By:
cricketnut2
When: 24 Oct 15 08:09
If You get, Root and in the in form Cook out, there isn't a lot in this England batting line up to worry about, there is always someone else who gets a 50, but I don't think that will save England in this Test, unless we bowl fantastically well.
By:
dylansdad
When: 24 Oct 15 08:10
206-3 now 217-6, will struggle to get to 300 unless these two can see out the hr to lunch?
By:
dylansdad
When: 24 Oct 15 08:11
surely the last over for wahab
By:
Fatslogger
When: 24 Oct 15 08:14
Great spell from Wahab, although not really anything exceptional in the wicket taking balls: batsmen under pressure playing shots badly.

Surprised the draw has moved back in to 6.6. This isn't a draw even if the England tail manages to drag this a long way out. Hmm, wish I'd put my money where my mouth was there.
By:
FredRescue
When: 24 Oct 15 08:15
Worst 2 ball innings in test cricket ever:  Rashid
By:
dylansdad
When: 24 Oct 15 08:16
pathethic
By:
johnnythebull
When: 24 Oct 15 08:16
Bairstow's played better than i expected
By:
dylansdad
When: 24 Oct 15 08:16
well needed 44444444444444444Laugh
By:
jucel69
When: 24 Oct 15 08:20
Laugh
By:
dylansdad
When: 24 Oct 15 08:20

Oct 24, 2015 -- 8:16AM, johnnythebull wrote:


Bairstow's played better than i expected


not for much longer lol

By:
dylansdad
When: 24 Oct 15 08:21
5 wickets for 17 runs Crazy
By:
johnnythebull
When: 24 Oct 15 08:23
just backed Eng back for my stake at 8.2..can't lose anything now
2,28 b4 Root wkt to 8.2
u don'y half get some volatility
By:
johnnythebull
When: 24 Oct 15 08:26
typing in the semi darkness here..missing the correct keys ffsGrin
By:
johnnythebull
When: 24 Oct 15 08:31
if the last 2 could eke out 40 odd runs..Pak collapse to 150 2nd inns..could Eng chase down a 250 target or is it totally out of the question?
By:
johnnythebull
When: 24 Oct 15 08:39
that's hit the bat..getting a bit ridiculous now
By:
FredRescue
When: 24 Oct 15 08:39
3 strikes youre out!
By:
johnnythebull
When: 24 Oct 15 08:40
great bowling by Pak after a good start to the session by Eng
By:
johnnythebull
When: 24 Oct 15 08:42
Pak touched 3.9 b4 Root wkt into 1.23..whoa
By:
sageform
When: 24 Oct 15 08:56
Many will blame todays batting but the real issue is numbers 2 and 3 who are supposed to be the batsmen but don't get any runs.
By:
johnnythebull
When: 24 Oct 15 08:58
2 stands put on just over 200..the other 7..30 odd
Eng still have the propensity to collapse like a pack of cards
By:
Fatslogger
When: 24 Oct 15 09:01
Well the problems with the batting are that nobody other than Cook and Root are any good, certainly in these conditions. It's unfair on Moeen to make him open, especially given the amount of bowling he's doing but main thing is he's not an opener and Bell is awful at the moment. Don't see how that excuses the lower middle order for being carp though.

Surprised you can still have Pak at 1.26: even if this pair manages to put plenty more on, and a wicket looks like it could come at any moment, it's still going to be a big deficit and even a dodgy second innings from Pak will still leave England a near impossible chase on a turning wicket.
By:
BJT
When: 24 Oct 15 09:03
Hit the ground clearly for mine.
By:
jucel69
When: 24 Oct 15 09:03
Objectively, I don't give them a chance. The ball will turn even more in the second dig & Riaz is bowling well. Add to that Cook & Root have scored heavily so far & one of them is due a low score. Can't see any of the other players getting a ton if either of those fail.
By:
posy
When: 24 Oct 15 09:06
just layed at 7.8...price is not reflecting reality to my mind.
By:
jucel69
When: 24 Oct 15 09:08
Get yer cash on SL at 1.3!!
WI opening batsman just got 5 wickets bowling occasional off spin. Herath & co will be licking their lips
By:
pxb
When: 24 Oct 15 09:16
6 wickets and he had only ever taken 1 before in 23 Tests.
By:
Supps
When: 24 Oct 15 09:18
Guys, will the draw come in a little now? Against logic i know.
By:
jucel69
When: 24 Oct 15 09:21

Oct 24, 2015 -- 9:18AM, Supps wrote:


Guys, will the draw come in a little now? Against logic i know.


It will if Pak bat until tea tomorrow & leave England something they can not possibly chase.

By:
Supps
When: 24 Oct 15 09:24

Oct 24, 2015 -- 9:21AM, jucel69 wrote:


Oct 24, 2015 --  9:18AM, Supps wrote:Guys, will the draw come in a little now? Against logic i know.It will if Pak bat until tea tomorrow & leave England something they can not possibly chase.


Which is quite likely,especially with the slow turners of Rashid and Ali. You can see why Shah is so effective.England Lay looks the best option.Even 200 AO will give in England a tough 330 chase.

By:
posy
When: 24 Oct 15 09:54
The highest 4th innings on this ground in a test match scored by a team  other than Pakistan is 252...by England.

If Pakistan can get 200 in their innings they'll be home and hosed.
By:
BJT
When: 24 Oct 15 10:27

Oct 24, 2015 -- 9:54AM, posy wrote:


The highest 4th innings on this ground in a test match scored by a team  other than Pakistan is 252...by England.If Pakistan can get 200 in their innings they'll be home and hosed.


Now there is a stat to hang your hat on. 

The immense history of this ground cannot possibly ever have a higher score.

There has been 8 test matches here.  EIGHT.

Test: (4th innings)
1.  Pakistan 3/343 2.93RRDraw
2.  Pakistan 1/94 3.88RR Win
3.  Pakistan 0/15 4.09RR Win
4.  England 10/252 2.58RR Loss
5.  0 final innings, Pakistan lost by an innings.
6.  Sri Lanka 1/137 2.95RR Win
7.  Australia 10/216 2.36RR Loss
8.  Pakistan 5/196 2.92RR Draw


Congratulations Posy on the most ridiculous stat ever used to try to prove a point.

Out of 8 games here, there has only been 3 innings by a team other than Pakistan.  Of those, 2 resulted in a loss for the chasing team.

All in all, in 7 4th innings here, there has been a total of 30 wickets fall for 1253 runs.  An average of 41.77 runs per wicket.

The stats you are claiming, hardly prove this is a terrible 4th innings pitch that you can't score on.


ffs.  Where do these people come from?

By:
posy
When: 24 Oct 15 10:40
Team    Score    Overs    RR    Inns        Opposition    Match Date    Scorecard
South Africa    517    163.1    3.16    2        v Pakistan    23 Oct 2013    Test # 2100
Pakistan    454    145.0    3.13    1        v Australia    22 Oct 2014    Test # 2140
Pakistan    403    141.1    2.85    2        v Sri Lanka    26 Oct 2011    Test # 2011
New Zealand    403    156.0    2.58    1        v Pakistan    17 Nov 2014    Test # 2146
Pakistan    393    147.0    2.67    2        v New Zealand    17 Nov 2014    Test # 2146
Sri Lanka    388    134.0    2.89    2        v Pakistan    8 Jan 2014    Test # 2114
South Africa    380    123.0    3.08    1        v Pakistan    12 Nov 2010    Test # 1976
Pakistan    378    118.5    3.18    1        v England    22 Oct 2015    Test # 2183
Pakistan    365    152.4    2.39    3        v England    3 Feb 2012    Test # 2034
Pakistan    359    137.3    2.61    3        v Sri Lanka    8 Jan 2014    Test # 2114
Pakistan    343/3    117.0    2.93    4        v South Africa    12 Nov 2010    Test # 1976
Pakistan    338    119.5    2.82    2        v England    17 Jan 2012    Test # 2030
Pakistan    326    135.1    2.41    3        v South Africa    23 Oct 2013    Test # 2100
South Africa    318/2d    95.0    3.34    3        v Pakistan    12 Nov 2010    Test # 1976
Australia    303    103.1    2.93    2        v Pakistan    22 Oct 2014    Test # 2140
Pakistan    286/2d    78.0    3.66    3        v Australia    22 Oct 2014    Test # 2140
Sri Lanka    257    109.5    2.33    3        v Pakistan    26 Oct 2011    Test # 2011
England    252    97.3    2.58    4        v Pakistan    3 Feb 2012    Test # 2034
New Zealand    250/9d    64.5    3.85    3        v Pakistan    17 Nov 2014    Test # 2146
Pakistan    248    95.0    2.61    2        v South Africa    12 Nov 2010    Test # 1976
England    242    75.2    3.21    2        v Pakistan    22 Oct 2015    Test # 2183
Sri Lanka    239    79.0    3.02    1        v Pakistan    26 Oct 2011    Test # 2011
Australia    216    91.1    2.36    4        v Pakistan    22 Oct 2014    Test # 2140
Pakistan    196/5    67.0    2.92    4        v New Zealand    17 Nov 2014    Test # 2146
England    192    72.3    2.64    1        v Pakistan    17 Jan 2012    Test # 2030
Pakistan    165    63.5    2.58    1        v Sri Lanka    8 Jan 2014    Test # 2114
England    160    57.5    2.76    3        v Pakistan    17 Jan 2012    Test # 2030
England    141    55.0    2.56    2        v Pakistan    3 Feb 2012    Test # 2034
Sri Lanka    137/1    46.2    2.95    4        v Pakistan    8 Jan 2014    Test # 2114
Pakistan    99    36.4    2.70    1        v South Africa    23 Oct 2013    Test # 2100
Pakistan    99    44.1    2.24    1        v England    3 Feb 2012    Test # 2034
Pakistan    94/1    24.1    3.88    4        v Sri Lanka    26 Oct 2011    Test # 2011
Pakistan    15/0    3.4    4.09    4        v England    17 Jan 2012    Test # 2030
Pakistan    0/0    1.0    0.00    3        v England
By:
BJT
When: 24 Oct 15 10:45
You have just listed all innings played on this ground.

Congratulations on managing that.  What is the point of it?


Pretty sure if you went through the extensive history of this ground, that more runs were scored in the last innings than the first innings, showing that it is easier to bat on day 5 than it is on day 1.

The stats you are showing, show that it gets easier to bat at this ground, as each innings passes.

Well done for being able to copy and paste, but if you can't comprehend what you are reading, why bother?
By:
Foinavon
When: 24 Oct 15 10:53
Have taken advantage of the current high draw price to close out.
Not suggesting that there won't be a result but when I get past 80% of the potential yield of a bet I like to take profits. In cricket anything can happen.
By:
BJT
When: 24 Oct 15 11:01

Oct 24, 2015 -- 10:40AM, posy wrote:


Team    Score    Overs    RR    Inns        Opposition    Match Date    ScorecardSouth Africa    517    163.1    3.16    2        v Pakistan    23 Oct 2013    Test # 2100Pakistan    454    145.0    3.13    1        v Australia    22 Oct 2014    Test # 2140Pakistan    403    141.1    2.85    2        v Sri Lanka    26 Oct 2011    Test # 2011New Zealand    403    156.0    2.58    1        v Pakistan    17 Nov 2014    Test # 2146Pakistan    393    147.0    2.67    2        v New Zealand    17 Nov 2014    Test # 2146Sri Lanka    388    134.0    2.89    2        v Pakistan    8 Jan 2014    Test # 2114South Africa    380    123.0    3.08    1        v Pakistan    12 Nov 2010    Test # 1976Pakistan    378    118.5    3.18    1        v England    22 Oct 2015    Test # 2183Pakistan    365    152.4    2.39    3        v England    3 Feb 2012    Test # 2034Pakistan    359    137.3    2.61    3        v Sri Lanka    8 Jan 2014    Test # 2114Pakistan    343/3    117.0    2.93    4        v South Africa    12 Nov 2010    Test # 1976Pakistan    338    119.5    2.82    2        v England    17 Jan 2012    Test # 2030Pakistan    326    135.1    2.41    3        v South Africa    23 Oct 2013    Test # 2100South Africa    318/2d    95.0    3.34    3        v Pakistan    12 Nov 2010    Test # 1976Australia    303    103.1    2.93    2        v Pakistan    22 Oct 2014    Test # 2140Pakistan    286/2d    78.0    3.66    3        v Australia    22 Oct 2014    Test # 2140Sri Lanka    257    109.5    2.33    3        v Pakistan    26 Oct 2011    Test # 2011England    252    97.3    2.58    4        v Pakistan    3 Feb 2012    Test # 2034New Zealand    250/9d    64.5    3.85    3        v Pakistan    17 Nov 2014    Test # 2146Pakistan    248    95.0    2.61    2        v South Africa    12 Nov 2010    Test # 1976England    242    75.2    3.21    2        v Pakistan    22 Oct 2015    Test # 2183Sri Lanka    239    79.0    3.02    1        v Pakistan    26 Oct 2011    Test # 2011Australia    216    91.1    2.36    4        v Pakistan    22 Oct 2014    Test # 2140Pakistan    196/5    67.0    2.92    4        v New Zealand    17 Nov 2014    Test # 2146England    192    72.3    2.64    1        v Pakistan    17 Jan 2012    Test # 2030Pakistan    165    63.5    2.58    1        v Sri Lanka    8 Jan 2014    Test # 2114England    160    57.5    2.76    3        v Pakistan    17 Jan 2012    Test # 2030England    141    55.0    2.56    2        v Pakistan    3 Feb 2012    Test # 2034Sri Lanka    137/1    46.2    2.95    4        v Pakistan    8 Jan 2014    Test # 2114Pakistan    99    36.4    2.70    1        v South Africa    23 Oct 2013    Test # 2100Pakistan    99    44.1    2.24    1        v England    3 Feb 2012    Test # 2034Pakistan    94/1    24.1    3.88    4        v Sri Lanka    26 Oct 2011    Test # 2011Pakistan    15/0    3.4    4.09    4        v England    17 Jan 2012    Test # 2030Pakistan    0/0    1.0    0.00    3        v England


South Africa    380    123.0        3.08    1    draw        v Pakistan    12 Nov 2010    Test # 1976
Pakistan    248    95.0        2.61    2    draw        v South Africa    12 Nov 2010    Test # 1976
South Africa    318/2d    95.0        3.34    3    draw        v Pakistan    12 Nov 2010    Test # 1976
Pakistan    343/3    117.0    451    2.93    4    draw        v South Africa    12 Nov 2010    Test # 1976


Sri Lanka    239    79.0        3.02    1    lost        v Pakistan    26 Oct 2011    Test # 2011
Pakistan    403    141.1        2.85    2    won        v Sri Lanka    26 Oct 2011    Test # 2011
Sri Lanka    257    109.5        2.33    3    lost        v Pakistan    26 Oct 2011    Test # 2011
Pakistan    94/1    24.1    94    3.88    4    won        v Sri Lanka    26 Oct 2011    Test # 2011


England            192    72.3        2.64    1    lost        v Pakistan    17 Jan 2012    Test # 2030
Pakistan    338    119.5        2.82    2    won        v England    17 Jan 2012    Test # 2030
England            160    57.5        2.76    3    lost        v Pakistan    17 Jan 2012    Test # 2030
Pakistan    15/0    3.4    15    4.09    4    won        v England    17 Jan 2012    Test # 2030



Pakistan    99    44.1        2.24    1    won        v England    3 Feb 2012    Test # 2034
England            141    55.0        2.56    2    lost        v Pakistan    3 Feb 2012    Test # 2034
Pakistan    365    152.4        2.39    3    won        v England    3 Feb 2012    Test # 2034
England            252    97.3    324    2.58    4    lost        v Pakistan    3 Feb 2012    Test # 2034


Pakistan    99    36.4        2.70    1    lost        v South Africa    23 Oct 2013    Test # 2100
South Africa    517    163.1        3.16    2    won        v Pakistan    23 Oct 2013    Test # 2100
Pakistan    326    135.1        2.41    3    lost        v South Africa    23 Oct 2013    Test # 2100



Pakistan    165    63.5        2.58    1    lost        v Sri Lanka    8 Jan 2014    Test # 2114
Sri Lanka    388    134.0        2.89    2    won        v Pakistan    8 Jan 2014    Test # 2114
Pakistan    359    137.3        2.61    3    lost        v Sri Lanka    8 Jan 2014    Test # 2114
Sri Lanka    137/1    46.2    137    2.95    4    won        v Pakistan    8 Jan 2014    Test # 2114


Pakistan    454    145.0        3.13    1    won        v Australia    22 Oct 2014    Test # 2140
Australia    303    103.1        2.93    2    lost        v Pakistan    22 Oct 2014    Test # 2140
Pakistan    286/2d    78.0        3.66    3    won        v Australia    22 Oct 2014    Test # 2140
Australia    216    91.1    438    2.36    4    lost        v Pakistan    22 Oct 2014    Test # 2140


New Zealand    403    156.0        2.58    1    draw        v Pakistan    17 Nov 2014    Test # 2146
Pakistan    393    147.0        2.67    2    draw        v New Zealand    17 Nov 2014    Test # 2146
New Zealand    250/9d    64.5        3.85    3    draw        v Pakistan    17 Nov 2014    Test # 2146
Pakistan    196/5    67.0    261    2.92    4    draw        v New Zealand    17 Nov 2014    Test # 2146




There has been no follow ons as of yet, so easy to see what is happening.


First innings vs Third innings
First innings:  80 wickets for 2031 runs  average 1 wicket per 25.39 runs scored
Third innings:  63 wickets for 2321 runs  average 36.84

Second innings vs Fourth inning
Second innings:  80 wickets for 2731 runs  average 34.14
Fourth innings:  30 wickets for 1253 runs  average 41.77




The stats you are trying to use for your argument that batting is tough in the fourth innings, in fact show that it is much easier than day 1.  In fact, about 164% more profitable.

It also shows that teams will outscore their previous innings if second to bat, by 22%.

By:
YOMOMMA
When: 24 Oct 15 11:05
The problem with Rashid playing and Moeen Ali opening is that they really are struggling to know which team they are playing for.
By:
posy
When: 24 Oct 15 11:18
Fail to understand why England aren't at 20. Odds seriously flawed at 10;expect massive drift shortly.
By:
Supps
When: 24 Oct 15 11:25
The thing about stat's is you can use them to put a spin on anything,the reality is the players of spin in Englands team aren't no where good enough to stop Shah taking wickets, Wahab bowled very well and started the rot. Time will not be an issue so it will come down to England trying to play spin.
By:
BJT
When: 24 Oct 15 11:29

Oct 24, 2015 -- 11:25AM, Supps wrote:


The thing about stat's is you can use them to put a spin on anything,the reality is the players of spin in Englands team aren't no where good enough to stop Shah taking wickets, Wahab bowled very well and started the rot. Time will not be an issue so it will come down to England trying to play spin.


Wasn't trying to use them to put a spin on anything.  The claim was made that nobody has ever scored more than 252 on this pitch in the 4th innings other than Pakistan.

I was merely pointing out just how ridiculous and stupid that comment was......

By:
Supps
When: 24 Oct 15 11:33
No problem BJT. Lets move on....
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