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By:
jucel69
When: 06 Aug 15 11:40
broad 5/6 wtf
By:
DStyle
When: 06 Aug 15 11:40
I wonder a little bit, and i may be wrong, if the true effect of T20 on test batting technique is not that batsmen play more attacking shots and therefore take more risk, but that there is now no incentive or place in their schedules to go and play domestic cricket in other countries and become familiar with the technique required to play in unfamiliar conditions.

it is noticeable just quite how good a test batsman rogers is, both home and away.
By:
slip5
When: 06 Aug 15 11:40
I told you grant there guy is a millionaire dollar cricket and he cant bat
By:
cricketnut2
When: 06 Aug 15 11:40
Clarke should bat at no 11
By:
jollyswagman
When: 06 Aug 15 11:40
what an awful shot. extras still their top scorer
By:
johnnythebull
When: 06 Aug 15 11:40
Eng absolutely on fire
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 06 Aug 15 11:41
Broady up there with the great Sydney Barnes!
By:
YOMOMMA
When: 06 Aug 15 11:41
clarke should have been dropped as he is so badly out of form. him as captain is putting the team under pressure before they start.
By:
jucel69
When: 06 Aug 15 11:41

Aug 6, 2015 -- 11:40AM, GRANTCKING wrote:


well that was a waste of £50


You could still win

By:
tyco161
When: 06 Aug 15 11:41
Australia at 5.5? Is someone having a joke?
By:
Mike-lfc
When: 06 Aug 15 11:41
that was sooo bad
By:
sageform
When: 06 Aug 15 11:41
This is surreal. This is Australia batting like a 20 over team only badly. Will they manage to get to lunch?
By:
johnnyrant
When: 06 Aug 15 11:42
Well done to whoever layed the draw at 3.5 Grin
By:
slip5
When: 06 Aug 15 11:42
australia need a clear out for sure only can really leave warner in that batting lineup
By:
slip5
When: 06 Aug 15 11:42
draw backers never standed a chance here
By:
slip5
When: 06 Aug 15 11:43
voges, rogers, Clarke, need to go
By:
Mike-lfc
When: 06 Aug 15 11:43
lol Rodgers had two bad innings.
By:
johnnythebull
When: 06 Aug 15 11:43
anderson musing over his missed opportunity to take 11-0!Grin
By:
jucel69
When: 06 Aug 15 11:44
I'm already full exposure but Eng at 1.26 must be one of the bets of the century
By:
delpiero7
When: 06 Aug 15 11:44
England could potentially declare and win by innings by the end of today! Laugh
By:
YOMOMMA
When: 06 Aug 15 11:45
LaughLaugh
By:
slip5
When: 06 Aug 15 11:45
this looks a 2 and a half day test match
By:
BJT
When: 06 Aug 15 11:45

Aug 6, 2015 -- 11:40AM, DStyle wrote:


I wonder a little bit, and i may be wrong, if the true effect of T20 on test batting technique is not that batsmen play more attacking shots and therefore take more risk, but that there is now no incentive or place in their schedules to go and play domestic cricket in other countries and become familiar with the technique required to play in unfamiliar conditions.it is noticeable just quite how good a test batsman rogers is, both home and away.


Yeah, but not to this effect.  Warner has changed his game considerably to be test oriented.  Smith always been a strong active test player.  Clarke, playing since before T20, one of the best (not currently).

But absolutely, the incentive to play test cricket is gone.  Seriously, as a player coming through, what are your goals?  Look at somebody like Dan Christian.  Offered a million to play T20 in India, before playing international cricket.  Do players want to be one of the best 11 players in Australia at test level and be paid 250k a year, or be one of the best 30, and be paid a million a year?

While T20 is around and thriving, test cricket will die in the ass.

By:
YOMOMMA
When: 06 Aug 15 11:45
australia r so sh1t they can't even get past 16 in 2 test matches running.
By:
jollyswagman
When: 06 Aug 15 11:45
DStyle, it always bugs me that we let aussie players come to play county cricket when our players arent welcome over there. can someone tell me, is this just because usually our players arent considered good enough or is there a ruling from cricket australia?
By:
jucel69
When: 06 Aug 15 11:47

Aug 6, 2015 -- 11:45AM, jollyswagman wrote:


DStyle, it always bugs me that we let aussie players come to play county cricket when our players arent welcome over there. can someone tell me, is this just because usually our players arent considered good enough or is there a ruling from cricket australia?


not many teams in Aus compared to Eng. The grade cricket is high quality that the Eng players participate in

By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 06 Aug 15 11:47
Whisperingdeath
06 Aug 15 10:41

Grant: "Why is Clarke at number 5? Still 7 places too high in the batting order for my liking." Ouch. Surely time to back to the captain?

Laugh


That was from cricinfo before the start!
By:
Mike-lfc
When: 06 Aug 15 11:47

Aug 6, 2015 -- 11:45AM, jollyswagman wrote:


DStyle, it always bugs me that we let aussie players come to play county cricket when our players arent welcome over there. can someone tell me, is this just because usually our players arent considered good enough or is there a ruling from cricket australia?


Theres loads of counties and only a few Aussie teams.

By:
sageform
When: 06 Aug 15 11:48
It is easy to clear out players but harder to replace them. England could have dropped a few if the Lords test had been the first in the series but where might that have left us?
By:
johnnythebull
When: 06 Aug 15 11:48
arthur daley just croaked..90..legend
By:
BJT
When: 06 Aug 15 11:49

Aug 6, 2015 -- 11:45AM, jollyswagman wrote:


DStyle, it always bugs me that we let aussie players come to play county cricket when our players arent welcome over there. can someone tell me, is this just because usually our players arent considered good enough or is there a ruling from cricket australia?


Interesting question.  Without knowing the answer, I would suggest that until recently at least, Australian cricket was zoned.  There has certainly been a shift to players shifting states.
May very well be that state cricket in Aus are based on living arrangements.  Big Bash however is an all for nothing zone where obviously English players are welcome, if they are good enough.

I suspect there is a bit of a difference.  Aus players welcome in England for county cricket but not T20.  England players more welcome in Aus for T20, but not state.

By:
jollyswagman
When: 06 Aug 15 11:50
roughly three times as many counties as state teams but the only england player i can ever recall playing over there was botham. surely there should have been more?
By:
jucel69
When: 06 Aug 15 11:51

Aug 6, 2015 -- 11:50AM, jollyswagman wrote:


roughly three times as many counties as state teams but the only england player i can ever recall playing over there was botham. surely there should have been more?


Aus summer clashes with our winter tours nowadays

By:
jucel69
When: 06 Aug 15 11:52
Quickest 5-for in Tests: 19 balls S Broad today 19 E Toshack Aus v Ind Gabba 1947
By:
BJT
When: 06 Aug 15 11:52
Quick google, one of the first....

South African all-rounder Johan Botha has prompted a great deal of controversy during his time playing for South Australia.
Not just because he has been reported for chucking.
Not just because his recruitment saw favourite son Michael Klinger stripped of the Redbacks’ captaincy so Botha could take over.
As much as anything it is because he is not Australian.
Every winter, many developing and established Aussie players travel to England to hone their games playing county cricket.
For decades the English system has been used as a proving ground for prospective Australian players.
Yet many Aussie cricket followers loathe the idea of foreign players taking part in our domestic first-class competition.
Botha, for example, is not roundly lauded for the fact he has taken the perennially-poor Redbacks to the top of the Shield ladder at the midway point of the season.
Instead many fans claim he is holding back young leg spinner Adam Zampa, hindering the 21-year-old’s development.
Zampa is undoubtedly a promising player.
He has shown encouraging signs during his early forays into all three forms of the game.
Is his progress being stunted by the presence of Botha? Possibly.
Although no more than it was at New South Wales, where he was stuck behind the likes of Steve O’Keefe, a situation which likely motivated his move to South Australia.
Of course the difference in many people’s mind is that O’Keefe is Australian and Botha is not.
Zampa arguably would not have any better opportunities in the Shield were he to play for any other State.
If he was still with the Blues he would be the understudy to O’Keefe and Nathan Lyon.
Were he to go north to Queensland he’d have to try to leapfrog veteran off spinner Nathan Hauritz and fellow young leggie Cameron Boyce.
Down south in Victoria, spinners Fawad Ahmed and Jon Holland have both been on the radar of the national selectors, while highly-rated 20-year-old leggie James Muirhead is waiting in the wings.
There is a similar logjam further south in Tasmania, where Xavier Doherty is top dog but is kept honest by 24-year-old left arm spinner Clive Rose, who was recently mentioned by Australian chairman of selectors John Inverarity as a player to watch.
Over in the West, two left-arm tweakers with Test caps to their name – Ashton Agar and Michael Beer – are battling for one spot in the Shield side.
There are no easy games in the Shield for spinners at the moment.
This is a tremendous positive for Australian cricket.
Just a few years ago the spin bowling talent pool was bare.
Now every State has at least one spinner under the age of 25 who has the potential to push for national selection.
If Zampa is good enough he will prosper in one way or another.
Playing second fiddle to Botha may offer him a crucial insight into the inherent harshness of being a professional spin bowler.
Meanwhile, it is hard to deny that Botha has not improved the level of competition in the Shield – obviously only to the limited extent that any one individual can.
Botha is the equal leading wicket taker in the Shield this summer, alongside O’Keefe, with 24 wickets at 29.
When you combine that haul with his handy return of 253 runs at 28 it is fair to say he has been one of the elite players in the competition.
Botha’s action may be suspect, as are those of a number of the leading finger spinners in international cricket in recent years.
But he is a canny bowler and young Australian batsmen like his teammate Phil Hughes and Queensland’s Usman Khawaja have been exposed at Test level for their inability to counter wily tweakers.
Up and coming Shield batsmen should benefit from their exposure to his bowling.
Botha clearly has been a good addition to Australia’s first-class competition.
That raises the question of whether the Sheffield Shield would be better if there was a smattering of imports across the league.
If each State was allowed to field one import per Shield game, would that help or hinder the development of Australian cricket?
To be honest, I’m not sure. I don’t know how any of us could be.
Whether other States follow the lead of South Australia and target foreign players for recruitment only time will tell.
By:
earlycrow
When: 06 Aug 15 11:52
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I told you grant there guy is a millionaire dollar cricket and he cant bat
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The stupidest comment I've read this year, and yes I've taken my posts into account
By:
YOMOMMA
When: 06 Aug 15 11:54
out
By:
GRANTCKING
When: 06 Aug 15 11:54
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GRANTCKING
When: 06 Aug 15 11:54
ALLOVER THE PLAYING SURFACE
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jucel69
When: 06 Aug 15 11:54
neck and crop!
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