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So much for win the toss, win the Test, which every pundit and his dog was predicting.
No Anderson. Wood the likely replacement. Shaun Marsh may replace Voges.
Last Test here, a high scoring draw, but previously a result venue.
I must admit as an Aussie, England looked the all round better side in the 3rd Test and deserved the win. No Anderson will shift the advantage to Aus and increase the chances the top order will make runs. Assuming a result pitch, I think Aus win this one, probably in 4 days.
No Anderson. Wood the likely replacement. Shaun Marsh may replace Voges.
Last Test here, a high scoring draw, but previously a result venue.
I must admit as an Aussie, England looked the all round better side in the 3rd Test and deserved the win. No Anderson will shift the advantage to Aus and increase the chances the top order will make runs. Assuming a result pitch, I think Aus win this one, probably in 4 days.
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Sideways movement has always been more important that just pace, especially since helmets.
Helps if batsmen have no idea where their off stump is too..
Helps if batsmen have no idea where their off stump is too..
If you've averaged 50 in your test career you have been a decent player.
Aug 7, 2015 -- 4:55PM, Mike-lfc wrote:
*wernt
You sure you wanted to correct it to "wernt"? 
Hopefully it will not decide this match but on another day it might. Absolutely ridiculous to keep on doing it. On the other hand, before the instant replays most of these marginal no balls would not have been given by the umpitre so it would be out.
surely it is something that can be decided by hawkeye and therefore the 3rd umpire can monitor it for every delivery
I hate the system they have now which is only checking it after a wicket
I hate the system they have now which is only checking it after a wicket
Aug 7, 2015 -- 4:55PM, wondersobright wrote:
yes BJT I don't doubt recent series are more appropriate but to get a proper sample size I like a few years worth of data...also a little too convenient imo to choose 2012 as cut off point given england won in india in 2012lets face it SA are the team who travel best, a lot of other teams struggle...eng and aus are both in that club
Show me a side that performs better away from home....
For a start, Aus would have lost, or will have lost 11 out of their last 20 matches away, not 13. 7 of those were in the first 10 of that series of games, meaning lost 4 of their last 10 away.
England in their last 20 have lost 9 games and won 6. In their last 10, they have only won 1 match, and lost 6. With half of them against WI and NZ.
Sure Aus don't travel very well, but at the end of the day, unless they are playing New Zealand, they are playing in a different hemisphere, not just a different country.
BJT..all about psychology..eng deliberately losing games prior to the ashes to lull u guys into a false sense of security and then do a Mike Tyson on yeese
i know its only day 2, but i think the draw may be struggling a bit already?
The Aussie agony is prolonged into tomorrow. They will have to come back again for the formal execution.
I've got tickets tomorrow. Was a bit gutted to be missing the local derby against Vale when the fixture computer pulled them out of the hat first match up at home at Gresty Road. Now it looks like I'm going to be able to see us win the Ashes and then go and watch Crewe beat Vale as well. Mind you, £75 tickets and £55 train tickets and a 6.30am start from Liverpool might be a bit steep for 6 overs or so tomorrow morning.
oz 17.00 on sportsbook...26.00 if you fancy the draw.
Engladn well deserved to win the Ashes. However this series has been disappointing to say the least. Quality has been poor.
Over your glitteringly career crow, you would have negotiated a more desperate situation at some point no doubt?
Would of been good for Aus to win in England to go with the historic series win in South Africa, winning the world cup and the 5-0 thrashing of Eng in the last Ashes. Oh well, looks like Aus just got tired of winning.
Nice to see Stuey Broad bounce back. He was a mess in Australia on the last Ashes tour when he felt the need to hire personal security guards to follow him around everywhere and then decided not to bowl for his team as Eng lost all 5 ashes tests.
Nice to see Stuey Broad bounce back. He was a mess in Australia on the last Ashes tour when he felt the need to hire personal security guards to follow him around everywhere and then decided not to bowl for his team as Eng lost all 5 ashes tests.
It's not all bad seeing the Aus cricket team getting knocked down a peg or two, they were getting way too mouthy
Got tired of winning? They have been found out, more like. Steve Smith well and truly found out. Clearly a flat-track bully. Oz recent test success was a false dawn. Hopefully Eng go on to win at the Oval too - see no reason why they won't given their supremacy.
Just a shame they decided to offer up a benign pitch at Lord's. No doubt if it had offered as much assistance as Edgbastion/Trent Bridge, it would be 4-0 heading to the Oval.
Just a shame they decided to offer up a benign pitch at Lord's. No doubt if it had offered as much assistance as Edgbastion/Trent Bridge, it would be 4-0 heading to the Oval.
Steve Smith can't play a swinging ball in English conditions. Kohli undoubtedly the best player right now as he can score 100's anywhere.
Stop this Steve Smith and Kohli nonsense. Abraham De Villiers is the best batsman in the world and it is not even close.
Michael Clarke set to announcement retirement today
good call jwb, hamla did brilliantly in england last time s africa were here too, dk what his form has been like since.
AB and Amla definately the best. Kohli may get up there but not there yet.
I do wonder how the modern batsmen would have fared on uncovered wickets
. This talk of Gilchrist being a better batsman than Knott makes my blood boil. Not to say Gilly wasn't very good and maybe changed Test cricket but he batted after Warne and McGrath bowled and the likes of Ponting and Hayden had smited. I wonder how he would have fared when there was a fire in Babylon!
I do wonder how the modern batsmen would have fared on uncovered wickets
. This talk of Gilchrist being a better batsman than Knott makes my blood boil. Not to say Gilly wasn't very good and maybe changed Test cricket but he batted after Warne and McGrath bowled and the likes of Ponting and Hayden had smited. I wonder how he would have fared when there was a fire in Babylon!
i know its heresy, but i always considered hayden a flat track bully. how would he have got on against malcolm marshall? on the other hand when they talk about the modern greats its ponting/lara/tendulkar who always get mentioned. personally my favourite is the wall.
It's been clear for a few years now that AB De Villiers is by far the best batsman in the world. Smith/Kohli/Williamson/Root is the battle for the future though you'd think. None on AB's level yet though.
i dont watch much of the ipl, but i think i saw ab carting steyn all over the place in one game???
Aug 8, 2015 -- 10:03AM, JustWinBaby wrote:
Michael Clarke set to announcement retirement today
Yes I'm expecting that to happen, whether it will be instant, or will happen after the Oval, I don't know.
Clarke should step down after this game and give the new captain a chance for 5th test match
The ball is still swinging around this morning, match could finish fairly quickly.
Clarke deserves to finish the Tour. Never have liked him I have to say, still don't but he is the Captain and should be afforded some respect.
it's a real bonus to have Stokes in the side that would allow us to play two spinners particularly on the sub continent and WI now but we haven't got two front line spinners!
he looks shot doesnt he? i feel sorry for him, whats he done to be so unpopular in his own country? how long ago was it he got all those double centuries? i think the selectors should be gone as well. the team selection has been wrong all the way through. i know haddin's been treated badly, but shouldnt he have been dropped long before? making smith captain isnt going to improve the technic of the players is it? lets hope they can give us a grassy pitch at the oval
Had a crack at the pitch day one, may have only had one eye open
did Hussey cut short his career because of Clarke?
am i right to expect us to get beaten up in the uae wd? last time, didnt we bowl alright but the batsmen continue the long tradition in english cricket of the collapse? i watched a couple of one day games on sky this week, i know its too early for them, but there are lots of young spinners coming through.
Timber! One more and plenty of time to study the racing before the Man U Spurs game.
even a 220 score 1st innings Australia would have been in game that was not a 60 all out pitch
remember the invincibles Australia team batting lineup, hayden, langer, martyn, mark Waugh, steve Waugh, gilchrist they could all play on England pitches and could cope with the moving ball
interesting to see Hazlewood and Lyon smiling at balls they know have beaten them all ends up. Powerless to do much except wait for the straight one to flatten their stumps.
Not sure swag,
it's a wait and see. mystery spinners or " Chuckers " are not in vogue at present. should make for a fairer contest. could actually be a decent contest unlike this sheite! I am not into slaughter, even against Aussie. I like to watch a decent contest of bat and ball. even winning money seems to feel a little flat. I feel cheated. expected Aussie to fight.
it's a wait and see. mystery spinners or " Chuckers " are not in vogue at present. should make for a fairer contest. could actually be a decent contest unlike this sheite! I am not into slaughter, even against Aussie. I like to watch a decent contest of bat and ball. even winning money seems to feel a little flat. I feel cheated. expected Aussie to fight.
The Ashes are home, although they are always in England. Well played England.
i can hardly believe what we have seen over these four tests. You're right wd, there has been no ebb and flower, as has been pointed out whoever got on top stayed on top. We should remember that as bad as aus have been its not quite as bad as our last 5 - 0 humiliation. can we expect some kim hughes style upset from clarke? please give us a grassy pitch at the oval.
well done to Captain Cook,
He must have come back from some very dark places! Again not my choice for Captain but showed some steel.
He must have come back from some very dark places! Again not my choice for Captain but showed some steel.
I take it there won't be a beer match for the spectators!
A memorable day already. Lets hope that the Oval test rubs it in again.
Rule Britannia - Didn't think they still played that in PC England
They should have a beer match between the barmies and fanatics so the drinking can go on. would be a laugh and they should show it live on sky! People might then have a clue as to how good some of these professional cricketers are.
Is there really any need for "the men in black" following the England team round the field.
Thats the way to treat commentators. Better to drink it though.
yep I am with you and Jim Swanton on that Sage!
Credit to Sky Sports cricket coverage montage makers - always pick some great tunes by the likes of Smashing Pumpkins & New Order 
some good news. The Ashes presentation will not take place till the Oval! Hope they make it to day 5, I have a ticket!
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I think they should be presenting the Ashes today. It's stupid to wait until the next game, especially if Australia win it.
Gracious speech from Clarke. Love him or hate him at least he gives credit when it is due.
Aug 8, 2015 -- 12:08PM, JustWinBaby wrote:
Gracious speech from Clarke. Love him or hate him at least he gives credit when it is due.
How he dealt with Phil Hughes's death was admirable.
I would say that I thought blubbing was un Australian but then so many Aussie Captains have blubbed on air it seems to be the norm
yeah respect to clarke, great captain and batsman, thats how he'll be remembered
Aug 8, 2015 -- 12:11PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:
I would say that I thought blubbing was un Australian but then so many Aussie Captains have blubbed on air it seems to be the norm
real men cry & wear pink.
thats right justwinbaby. i often think aussies are bad winners but in very trying circumstances he is coming across very well. why is he so unliked in his own country? whats he done, score loads of runs and give his all. his team havent been good enough, simple as. it wasnt that long ago he got all those double centuries.
Aug 8, 2015 -- 12:13PM, Whisperingdeath wrote:
ffs Cookstand up! this is terrible!
Cressy, Poitiers, Agincourt
come on man!
at least do a Harry Palmer and carry a big nail in your pocket!
come on man!
at least do a Harry Palmer and carry a big nail in your pocket!
we will never know but if harris hadnt been forced to retire it probably would have been so different
Harris doesn't bat I'm afraid which was Australia's main weakness.
...he turned to the Iron Duke and uttered the brilliant conversation-starter: “By God, Sir, I’ve lost my leg.”
To which Wellington replied, with equal restraint: “By God, Sir, so you have.”
The exchange has gone down in history as the example ne plus ultra of British reserve.
.....Despite the amputation going ahead without anaesthetic, Hume wrote in his report that the earl, “neither uttered groan or complaint nor gave any sign of impatience or uneasiness” (although he is reported to have remarked at one stage that the knife appeared a little blunt).
Afterwards, the doctor noted that Uxbridge’s skin was still “perfectly cool” and his pulse “gave only 66 beats to the minute.”
To which Wellington replied, with equal restraint: “By God, Sir, so you have.”
The exchange has gone down in history as the example ne plus ultra of British reserve.
.....Despite the amputation going ahead without anaesthetic, Hume wrote in his report that the earl, “neither uttered groan or complaint nor gave any sign of impatience or uneasiness” (although he is reported to have remarked at one stage that the knife appeared a little blunt).
Afterwards, the doctor noted that Uxbridge’s skin was still “perfectly cool” and his pulse “gave only 66 beats to the minute.”
true juice but i feel it was massive, they never had control. of course after posting 130 odd and 60 they were royaly f**ked.
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