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So much for win the toss, win the Test, which every pundit and his dog was predicting.
No Anderson. Wood the likely replacement. Shaun Marsh may replace Voges.
Last Test here, a high scoring draw, but previously a result venue.
I must admit as an Aussie, England looked the all round better side in the 3rd Test and deserved the win. No Anderson will shift the advantage to Aus and increase the chances the top order will make runs. Assuming a result pitch, I think Aus win this one, probably in 4 days.
No Anderson. Wood the likely replacement. Shaun Marsh may replace Voges.
Last Test here, a high scoring draw, but previously a result venue.
I must admit as an Aussie, England looked the all round better side in the 3rd Test and deserved the win. No Anderson will shift the advantage to Aus and increase the chances the top order will make runs. Assuming a result pitch, I think Aus win this one, probably in 4 days.
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The last pitch here against India was made for money by Notts CC. They were adamant the game would last 5 days and produced a slow turgid pitch that had draw written all over it from the first ball. Expect something similar with England 2-1 up & no Anderson.
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'England have asked Nottinghamshire for another grassy pitch offering movement off the seam with Andrew Strauss admitting to other officials in private that he made a mistake requesting a slow surface at Lord’s.'
Which is not to say you are wrong, jucel. I was going big laying the draw, but will take a more cautious approach now. |
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I hadn't read the comments, I was just trying to put myself in the ECB's mindset. I hope they do prepare a seaming pitch as it gives us the best chance. I just worry about the defensive attitude of Strauss et al.
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why do they price up the draw....we dont get them nowadays....
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Anderson's record at Trent bridge is outrageous, he was always going to be a big loss but even moreso in this test.
Small opening for Australia but I'm not sure whether their middle order batting issues can be fixed in a week. |
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jucel, thinking about, that info may pre-date the loss of Anderson. A green seamer and no Anderson doesn't make much sense for Eng.
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From an England point of view, a lot will depend on how well Finn can reproduce his good form.
I would be reluctant to think of backing the draw though, neither team are suited to play that way. Waiting to see how the weather might develop next week. |
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7 home wins, 8 aways
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Eng have played best cricket when attacking this summer against NZ and Aus. Would be foolish to play for a draw but you never know.
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you would guess after the royal beatdown the NCCC took last year for the filth they produced, and the fact that Strauss realised that he was an idiot to ask for that wicket at Lord's, we will be seeing something sporting at Trent Bridge this year.
apparently it swings less after the new buildings at trent bridge and whilst Anderson's record is impressive, i still think Finn, Broad and Wood should be able to outbowl Australia in good english conditions. It as much about Australia's batting as it is about our bowlers as well, so Jimmy's injury, whilst being an obvious loss, shouldn't be seen as being so crucial to England's chances. I might be wrong, but i also get the feeling that the Oval is probably the hardest wicket to manipulate and England need to give themselves the best chance possible of going 3-1 before the oval, rather than having to win to retain the Ashes. To do so would require some genuine risk taking, which i doubt Strauss has the minerals to take. it's much easier to be aggressive at 2-1 up. Lyth is presumably the major selection issue, followed by Ali and Stokes. Not that either of the latter two have done anything particularly wrong, but with Jimmy gone, should we be looking to strengthen the bowling stocks at the expense of one of the two batting all rounders. |
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England have not won back to back test matches in a long time a win is usually followed by a loss lump on Australia to win 4th test match I say.
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Wood for Anderson assuming he's fit will be the only change England will make. Lyth will get another chance, no chance of Ali or Stokes
being dropped imo. Slip5 - if you want to lump on Aus fair shout but I wouldn't put a penny on a batting line up that looks all at sea against the moving ball. They will definitely leave grass on the wicket at TB. If Wood isn't fit I suspect they will go for Woakes. |
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if there's anything in the pitch at all you have to think oz will be in trouble again
at the moment it looks like england only have to get 3 wickets and they're through them. rogers, warner and smith got all the meaningful runs between them at lords. must the weakest, out of form and most inexperienced middle order they've fielded in 30 years at least |
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If England attempt to produce slow wickets in search of a draw they'll lose.
The series won't end up 2-1 as the draw ain't happening between these two decent bowling sides and weak batting units. The only way there can be a draw if they move the remaining matches from England to Bangladesh. Also, didn't Notts CC get fined or reprimanded for the turgid pitch they produced last summer against India? On that basis unlikely to happen again. |
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Could drop Buttler, give the gloves to Jonny and play Taylor instead.
2-1 up. First innings runs crucial (as always). Strengthening the batting is an option. Even at Bham, our first innings was pretty careless. Mooen and Broad's partnership of 87 was vital. |
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The way England the third test means they now have mental supremacy over the Aussies which I think is very important, half of the match will be won in the minds. Losing Anderson is a huge setback, but finn and broad will be high on confidence and England should consider this as the final test of the series. If Australia makes it 2-2 at the end of this test, I think Aussies will take the series.
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England should look to finish Australia off 4th test and win the match and the ashes. Australia look an ordinary side and if the top order fails the whole innings is exposed as the middle order are struggling.
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Injera,i suspect that taylor has upset someone at the top at some stage
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Could be enough rain Monday to cause problems if the match gets that far, which I don't expect.
Talk of Siddle replacing Starc. Starc just not cutting it and should be replaced. Still think this will be an Aus win. |
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I do not see how anyone has a clue as to what may happen at Trent Bridge. I don't see Wood for Anderson as a big loss well as Anderson bowls at times.
I wanted to change the top 4 after Cardiff and would like to see a winning team changed here. Lyth out for someone ( confused.com ) and maybe even Butler rested for Rashid or Taylor. I want Butler in the test team but he needs a little work. I would bring Twatto back for Voges and at 4. Try and find a place for Cummins but would not drop any of the bowlers, I don't know how that gets done. Actually maybe for Marsh. All their bowlers can bat, some of their batsmen cannot. Clarke is Captain and plays his penultimate Test or gets a bad back occurence. He does not get dropped and bats at 5 or 6. My series policy has been to lay Aus. Ideally at evens or less. 2.22 is reasonable for the lay but I will wait for an opportunity again after events unfold. |
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if england go for a slow wicket theyre crazy. if they do, they have no chance of winning the game and every chance of losing. australia can bowl england out on anything, plus england can get themselves out on anything. they need a decent wicket to help them take wickets and score runs. england cant defend, just get themselves out trying. doesnt matter so much to australia, cos they dont even try to defend. a slow wicket plays right in to their hands, especially if they get to bat first. 350 for 3 by close and england are left clinging on for grim life for 4 days. weve all seen how that usually turns out!
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http://www.cricket.com.au/news/seamers-pitch-fourth-ashes-test-nottingham-trent-bridge-australia-england-johnson-lyon-broad/2015-08-05
I think it is for the best. Hopefully it lasts longer than 2 1/2 days this time. |
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https://twitter.com/CricketAus/status/628486468214857728/photo/1
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Could be a difficult first session for whoever bats.
A good toss for Aus to lose I think. Otherwise Eng could be into their middle order by lunch. Some showers later on Thursday. I'll probably lay whoever wins the toss. |
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Assuming they bat.
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Marsh in, Marsh out IMO
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A bit hard on Marsh. He did everything that was asked of him and didn't get picked. Don't know how much batting he has since those hundreds but if he comes in and gets 2 low scores it will be rough.
Aus really should include Cummins for M Marsh. He has good pace and pitches it up. That way they can keep the pressure on the England middle even if Starc is not hitting his straps. I would seriously consider Twatto too as I said before. Despite his glaring weaknesses he does have some experience. If Not Twatto then Marsh at 3 with Smudger and Clarke dropping down one to prtotect them a bit more. I am still waiting to hear from anyone who knows why Faulkener was not selected? |
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drink driving
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Faulkner was poor in the IPL and got labelled 'Can't bowl outside Oz'.
He was excellent in the BBL. So may be harsh. |
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like shuffling deckchairs on the titanic whichever combination oz choose at 4,5 and 6 they're not likely to get many especially if it moves around as it likely at trentbridge
they need the top 3 to get the runs. not that surprised they've struggled with the bat - been bowled out sub 300 around 15 times in 13 matches now on last 3 england tours - but i am shocked at their inability to put the ball in the right place often enough. been plenty of jaffas and snorters but also way too many 4 balls to release the pressure |
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Thanks pxb,
I wasn't sure. I think it is harsh on him too as he provides good balance and could make a contribution with either bat or ball. I also think he a has a bit of mongrel which looks conspicuously lacking in this Aussie side. Although I agree 1,2 and 3 have been providing the runs Warner and Rogers are a good opening partnership but Smith and Clarke at 4 and 5 would provide more ballast for the " Team ". |
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Interesting pic - thanks Juce.
Could easily shave all that off today though. The 2 tone colour suggests it's a tired pitch that could play differently at either end. |
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The series turned in the third, at Melbourne, one of the great tactical battles. Bradman declared while Australia were nine down to force England to bat on a sticky wicket. Allen then returned the favour, and declared England’s innings while they were still 124 runs behind. So Bradman flipped his batting order. He sent his Nos 9, 10, and 11 in first to kill time while the pitch dried out. He came in himself at No7 and made 270.
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It was the net session before the third Test at Kensington Oval in Barbados and the two teams were practising alongside one another. Miller watched as the West Indies gun batsmen, Gordon Greenidge, Desmond Haynes, Viv Richards and Clive Lloyd, had a bat against the top bowlers, Andy Roberts, Michael Holding (who a few days later was to deliver to Geoffrey Boycott perhaps the most famous over of all), Joel Garner and Colin Croft, and when done the octet retreated to the dressing room leaving Larry Gomes, next on the list, to warm up against the Bajan net bowlers brought in for the day.
Easy? The net bowlers, according to Miller, were Malcolm Marshall, Wayne Daniel, Sylvester Clarke and Ezra Moseley, a quartet which would compete strongly with any fielded in the history of the game – such riches. And players now are worried of the damage that can be caused by just one bowler of high pace in Mitchell Johnson. |
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https://mobile.twitter.com/CricketAus/status/628906147983003648
Still looking pretty green. Apparently the groundsman has been told to make it like Edgbaston. |
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They are thinking that attack is the best form of defence.
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England paceman Stuart Broad this week: "The groundsman has worked extremely hard. He has been in contact with the Edgbaston groundsman as well. I thought that was a fantastic pitch. I am sure Trent Bridge will try and emulate that."
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