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You are probably right. If the guy had not done so many 'good things' with his money history would not remember him.
Money made for slavery is part of what has financed every civilization in history without fail. Tell the wife to medicate you. |
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Just like Jimmy Savile, he hid his true self behind a charity veneer
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1 in every 200 people in the world today is a slave. 40,000,000 slave worldwide right now.
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Are you a slave to the rhythm ?
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James 2 of course was deposed for his religious beliefs
With William 3 invited to take over the throne alongside jamess daughter Mary 2 |
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James 2 and William 3 statues evoke much hostility today
Not for their slaves, but because of the split they widened in British society. |
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I am from Bristol and in my opinion the statue should have stayed there purely on the History of what Colston did for this City with his money. Whether people like it or not that he was a slave trader, that is what he was (along with trading other products). If it wasn't for him Bristol wouldn't be the place it is today (that will apply to a lot of places). The statue wasn't put up 140 years ago to "celebrate" that he was a slave trader, it was to honour him for pretty much the money he left for the poor, in the town he was born and left as a teenager.
There has been controversy over the years regarding the statue, but if there was that many people against it then why hasn't been removed before? Maybe because a lot more people wanted to keep it as it because of his huge part he has played in the History of Bristol, it may well have been more controversial to remove it and cause even more trouble. Should it have been taken down and put in a museum etc? Maybe it should, but that should have been done with some sort vote/petition etc (all have failed in the past though), regardless it certainly should not have been taken down by the people that done it yesterday with the Police just standing there letting them get on with it. Setting these sorts of precedents is a dangerous game to play. As for the City itself, we have "Marvellous" Marvin Rees as a Mayor, who basically said today that in his 4 years since becoming Mayor he didn't get the statue removed because he was busy doing other sh1t. The bloke is a complete and utter knob, still he is going to deliver us a £4 billion pound underground in the next 7 years though, we are going to be Diesel free or fined in the City centre soon although I think that date has changed now (it also excludes him and his Council workers obviously), and he also put a list of his 100 achievements in the local paper which included "calling a meeting of 200 people together", "hosted a chess tournament" and held a "Taxi drivers conference". Oh and yes, it is full of Millennials who think the whole World is against them (see yesterday), who are attending the University that was funded by Colston. As for comparing him to Saville, well that is just odd isn't it. |
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I also have to congratulate Alex Beresford who brought up the roads "Blackboy Hill" and "Whiteladies Road" in an interview this morning on GMB which are obviously racist and need to go, and Susanna Reid this morning said when she was here the names "even when you said that my skin crawled". Not one of them wanted to correct him (including our great Mayor marvellous Marvin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lJinZu0NzQ 2:50 into the video - utterly clueless. The pair of them need to go and get a History lesson rather than shouting about everything "black" being racist. |
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Why is a comparison to Savile odd
They both covered their backs with charity work They both had statues removed Neither statue will be back in place |
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Why does the name 'Blackboy Hill' make Susanna Reid's skin crawl?.....
We can dispel the much-loved Bristol myth concerning how Blackboy Hill actually got its name. BEFORE starting on a 'proper' history of Blackboy Hill, let's blow away the cobwebs and dispel a few old myths. Just as there were never any 'nuns in white habits' - or white ladies - in the road of that name (legend places an old nunnery on the site of the Whiteladies Cinema) So there were never any 'black boys' on Blackboy Hill (despite the city's appalling record in the slave trade). It's one of those well-beloved Bristol myths that the Georgian gentry gathered here for slave boy auctions. It's rubbish, of course, although slave boys did exist in Bristol even before the slave trade really got going. By 1600 Africans were common in London and Queen Elizabeth I talked of the 'great' numbers of Negars and Blackamoors which are crept into the realm.' Shakespeare's Othello first acted in 1604, features a black Moor centre stage so we assume his audience must have been familiar with the negro race. There is a pub on the hill called 'The Blackboy', but don't be fooled into thinking that this is how the name came about, because until 1988 it was known as the 'Elephant and Castle'! But we're getting close - because the hill was named after a pub of that name. But this was demolished in 1874 for road widening as it straddled the whole highway leading up to the Downs and beyond (as you can see from the picture). How the inn itself got its name is debatable. In the early 18th century it was called The Blackamoor's Head, it was enlarged and rebuilt between 1749 and 1756, and by 1803 had become known as The Blackboy Tavern. We know that when Shakespeare referred to people as black, he often meant they they had a dark complexion. Over the years many historians have suggested that the pub, like many others throughout the country, was named after King Charles II (1630-85), whose skin pigment was very dark and whose nickname was the 'Black Boy'. https://www.flickr.com/photos/brizzlebornandbred/2080657598 |
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Oh dear, that's not really helping you claim to be not racist.
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you-have-to-laugh---08 Jun 20 18:35
Why is a comparison to Savile odd They both covered their backs with charity work Was Colston slave trading in the 1970s/80s? |
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Ah so as Colston was dead before 1970 that can be no comparison.
How silly of me to miss that |
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Alex Beresford also said 'we know how many slaves he (Colston) brought into the Bristol docks..'
Do we? I cannot find any reference to these numbers. I thought companies took stuff from UK, swapped it for slaves in Africa, took slaves to America and swapped them for sugar then took sugar to UK. So how many slaves actually ended up in Bristol at places like Blackboy Hill? |
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Nothing to do with the slave trade whatsoever, or indeed named after a Black Boy.
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Magic__Daps08 Jun 20 18:11Joined: 03 May 05 | Topic/replies: 7,059 | Blogger: Magic__Daps's blog
As for the City itself, we have "Marvellous" Marvin Rees as a Mayor, who basically said today that in his 4 years since becoming Mayor he didn't get the statue removed because he was busy doing other sh1t. The bloke is a complete and utter knob, still he is going to deliver us a £4 billion pound underground in the next 7 years though, we are going to be Diesel free or fined in the City centre soon although I think that date has changed now (it also excludes him and his Council workers obviously), and he also put a list of his 100 achievements in the local paper which included "calling a meeting of 200 people together", "hosted a chess tournament" and held a "Taxi drivers conference". Oh and yes, it is full of Millennials who think the whole World is against them (see yesterday), who are attending the University that was funded by Colston. I also live in Bristol - Marvin Rees is a complete joker - some of his plans are so outlandish that it defies belief that he has the front to talk about them. You also forgot to mention the tens of millions of council tax payers money that has been spunked into "Bristol Energy" which never stood a chance of success. Admittedly "Red trousers" (George Ferguson) was responsible for starting it but Marvellous Marvin can take credit for throwing good money after bad. The really bad joke is that Marvin was by far the most credible candidate for the mayors job - If that's the best Bristol can come up with then it really is poor effort. |
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----you-have-to-laugh---
Date Joined: 06 Jul 10 Add contact | Send message 08 Jun 20 18:45 Ah so as Colston was dead before 1970 that can be no comparison. How silly of me to miss that I will put it in simple terms for you. Colston was a slave trader in a time where it was deemed as acceptable (an early entrepreneur if you wish). Jimmy Saville was a paedophile which has never been acceptable and covered up his heinous crimes (along with help from the media, BBC, Governments, Police etc). It really is that simple and there is no comparison of the two. But you cannot judge everything in history by what is right or wrong in the present time. Shall we just flatten everything here because of Colston, or just keep the bits to suit - hospitals, schools, universities etc? He is part of the history whether people like it or not. It is not up to a mob of people to pick and choose what they want to basically vandalise anywhere in the country, just because they don't like it. |
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I also live in Bristol - Marvin Rees is a complete joker - some of his plans are so outlandish that it defies belief that he has the front to talk about them. You also forgot to mention the tens of millions of council tax payers money that has been spunked into "Bristol Energy" which never stood a chance of success. Admittedly "Red trousers" (George Ferguson) was responsible for starting it but Marvellous Marvin can take credit for throwing good money after bad.
The really bad joke is that Marvin was by far the most credible candidate for the mayors job - If that's the best Bristol can come up with then it really is poor effort. Agree Gin, and also the money spunked down by Temple Meads. A friend of mine was part of some of the work down there for the new "Events Stadium", which cost well into 7 figures. I expect they will get it all back with the congestion charge that will come in, it's not as if we haven't got great public transport services is it.........Another massive fail. |
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I don't think the slaves found Colston’s actions acceptable
You seem to forget that, and it's the crux of the matter. |
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Agree Gin, and also the money spunked down by Temple Meads. A friend of mine was part of some of the work down there for the new "Events Stadium", which cost well into 7 figures. I expect they will get it all back with the congestion charge that will come in, it's not as if we haven't got great public transport services is it.........Another massive fail.
I can only agree although I think most of the Temple Meads development was down to Red trousers - didn't they put a bridge in place that cost a couple of million that is now defunct? Along with another couple of million on road signs when they changed the speed limit to 20. |
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The relevance is he was a slave trader
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Same relevance that James 2 was Catholic and William 3 a protestant
That still resonates to folk today James 2 is last Catholic King of uk |
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you-have-to-laugh---
Date Joined: 06 Jul 10 Add contact | Send message 08 Jun 20 19:14 I don't think the slaves found Colston’s actions acceptable Who said they did? I just told you why comparing Colston to Saville was basically fecking stupid. This reply to it pretty much proves my point - you are obviously fecking stupid. What about the innocent victims of Nelson Mandela - how many got killed by his "mob"? I doubt they went a lot on it either, shall we go and remove his statues? Innocent victims of war didn't have any choice did they, yet there are statues of leaders? Allowed/not allowed? Taj Mahal was built by slaves wasn't it - is that ok in your opinion, or shall we go and pull it down? Or are we allowed to keep parts of history that are ok for us now, ie making money, schooling, hospitals? Plenty more examples. |
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It's not stupid it's a good comparison
Savile and colston You might not like it, but that doesn't mean it's a poor comparison. It gives a similar feeling to how statues are seen. |
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Gin - yes it was all started by red trousers. Once started it should have been finished imo. Then Marvin wanted to change venue (unsure if it was a bit of a middle finger to red trousers, an ego thing, or if by chance he did actually think it would be better. I think some of it will actually be used when the flats go up electric cables are put in already.
And the road signs from what I was told is something to do with Fergusons daughter, she runs some type of charity (done the blocking off the centre a couple of times), and surprisingly was getting paid by the Council, and managed to keep her job when there were job cuts..... |
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Nelson Mandela, I never mentioned him, but obviously hes
Around same time as Savile yet you see fit to bring him in Odd that. |
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The same thugs who took down the statue support open borders, facilitating slave traders from all 4 corners into Britain. They’ll buy their cheap clothes made in sweatshops and complain when the cost of bananas go up. Sod the African grower...
Hypocrisy at its zenith. |
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That doesn't surprise me in the slightest.......
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^^ reply to Magic
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Where is this statue of Saville? |
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I have no idea where it is now
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Have to say I agree with you-have-to-laugh
in fact I thought about this comparison today myself when they were discussion Colston's history which tbh, I knew nothing about til this statue toppling. It's a very valid comparison, only difference is Colston didn't try to hide his crimes which makes the statue and the plaque that encompassed it quite remarkable, it called him a wise man, there are even schools and streets there named after him, I don't even think it's understandable because those things were decided in a different era , if you know that thousands died through no choice of their own (they were slaves being transported, not martyrs) and their bodies were dumped at sea, then it's no appropriate to celebrate a figure like that, and it wasn't just the slaves, as many crew members died from the conditions aboard as well. The comparison can also be made to Pablo Escobar, a billionaire at death, all through criminal activity, responsible for the cocaine addictions for millions all over the America's, many people died fighting for or against him, but he paid for homes and football pitches so that's ok? It was right the statue was removed, however not like it was, because that creates a mentality of mob rule which is never good. |
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So you are comparing a paedophile, necrophiliac to a business man who brought jobs wealth and prosperity to the city, i mean to be that stupid takes alot of trying whats your next comparison mother theresa and Pol Pot.
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Date Joined: 06 Jul 10 Add contact | Send message 08 Jun 20 19:36 It's not stupid it's a good comparison Savile and colston You might not like it, but that doesn't mean it's a poor comparison. It gives a similar feeling to how statues are seen A quick google and the Saville statue was a wooden statue put up in Glasgow, and it was removed straight after he was found to have abused hundreds of people/kids - a massively covered up bunch of crimes. Not one single person complained it was removed, because there is no doubt to a single person in the country that it shouldn't be there. Colston - a statue put up in 1895 because of his donation made to numerous charities, schools, hospitals, univerities in the City - money made partly to the slave trade that was deemed acceptable in his time. The statue was still on display in 2020 (that is 125 years). Some people are not happy about it but nobody in power has tried to remove it, and the time it was removed was by a mob of vandals. There are thousands of people who are saying it should never have been removed at all, let alone by a mob. You think both of those are a fair comparison to eachother? This is not about if you wanted the Colston statue removed at all, it is about you saying they are a fair comparison. If you think they are then you really are more stupid than I first thought. Ps - if you cannot work out the Mandela link then that really is on you. |
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He is one of these idiots whos knowledge of the slave trade cams from watching Roots on tv.
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The comparisons about statues is irrelevant, the comparison is that both spread wealth/improved lives of those disadvantaged by killing people, either physically or mentally.
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