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edy When: 07 Jun 20 20:21

Jun 7, 2020 -- 8:11PM, InsiderTrader wrote:

Jun 7, 2020 -- 6:55PM, edy wrote:Jun 7, 2020 -- 6:43PM, mukdahan wrote:You can"t judge people"s actions in the 17Th century by todays moral standards if we judged all history that way would be a very warped world.That's correct, and maybe people like him that are products of their time shouldn't be judged too harshly. However, I think it's fair to wonder if they should be celebrated and honoured.There was quite a bit of discussion in Germany in the past few years about a university named after Ernst Moritz Arndt. Badass nationalist racist anti-semite hate preacher. Something that was perfectly normal for its time. If you weren't a badass racist anti-semite hate preacher when he was around, you were shunned by society. The university and its students however wondered if that's really someone they wish to continue to honour (spoiler: they decided against it).The local AfD and parts of the CDU were for keeping it. Sometimes I do feel people just want to cling onto these things just for the sake of desperately clinging on to whatever they can in a world where liberalism is...winning. The really peculiar thing is that it wasn't even something with huge tradition. The university has been around since the 15th century, and was only named after Ernst Moritz Arndt in 1933 because the Nazis fancied him.Of course you can have this debate.What happened today was not a debate.It appears to be a criminal act by people who lost the debate so took matters into their own hands.If we support this can we complain is the Statue of the Greatest ever Briton is taken down?As a society we must take a stand against this.

I think the fairest and most conductive way for the society would be to add plaques to statues like these if they wish to be retained. Point out directly next to the statue that the man did a lot for Bristol, but that a lot of this was only possible because he was very active in slave trade.

You know, instead of pure glorification of a questionable person, put the man the statue shows in some context.

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edy When: 07 Jun 20 20:22

Directly there at the place where the statue is.

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InsiderTrader When: 07 Jun 20 20:23

Jun 7, 2020 -- 8:22PM, edy wrote:

Directly there at the place where the statue is.

A good point.

One I think the mayor rejected.

The mob today removed that option.

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Cider When: 07 Jun 20 20:23

Apologists for criminal acts is where we are at. Mob rule as the can't achieve what they want via legitimate means. The end game is not fun for anyone.

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PorcupineorPineapple When: 07 Jun 20 20:23

Jun 7, 2020 -- 7:50PM, InsiderTrader wrote:

Jun 7, 2020 -- 6:41PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:Takes an act of ripping it down to learn about this guy and how he profitted from all those deaths. We never get taught this kind of thing in school. It's all just Henry VIII, Queen Vic and WWII.Any talk of the Empire stops and ends at red coloured maps and talks of tea. We need to acknowledge our past to know our present.What areas of the globe have not been involved in slavery in the world before 200 years ago?Are white British people any more responsible than any other British ethnic group for what British people did in history? We are all British and we all benefit from the fact that the British Empire existed.

That last line. Exactly that.

Our view of the Empire is some benevolent Commonwealth spreading peace and modernism across the globe.

At school, slavery is simply touched on when talking about US history. Thete us very little recognition of our role and how the Britain of today is so wealthy in part due to the profits made from stealing and selling human beings.

We've been feeding kids a blinkered view of Great Britain that whitewashed the atrocities committed in our name.

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InsiderTrader When: 07 Jun 20 20:29

Jun 7, 2020 -- 8:23PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:

Jun 7, 2020 -- 6:50PM, InsiderTrader wrote:Jun 7, 2020 -- 6:41PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:Takes an act of ripping it down to learn about this guy and how he profitted from all those deaths. We never get taught this kind of thing in school. It's all just Henry VIII, Queen Vic and WWII.Any talk of the Empire stops and ends at red coloured maps and talks of tea. We need to acknowledge our past to know our present.What areas of the globe have not been involved in slavery in the world before 200 years ago?Are white British people any more responsible than any other British ethnic group for what British people did in history? We are all British and we all benefit from the fact that the British Empire existed.That last line. Exactly that. Our view of the Empire is some benevolent Commonwealth spreading peace and modernism across the globe.At school, slavery is simply touched on when talking about US history. Thete us very little recognition of our role and how the Britain of today is so wealthy in part due to the profits made from stealing and selling human beings.We've been feeding kids a blinkered view of Great Britain that whitewashed the atrocities committed in our name.

Slavery was not committed in 'our name'. It was done by dozens of countries centuries ago.

It is not remotely relevant to world centuries later.

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1st time poster When: 07 Jun 20 20:29

cant do it through legitimate means ,ffs that's exsctly the point of the protests you loon,government burying report only this week,usa have these protests a few times a year ,then we all jog on
if it gets warmer they can just call it the notting hill carnival in downing street,can see doris been carried shoulder high wearing a rasta tea cosey ,supping a can of red stripe,smoking a spliff before the summer,s out,their Londoner,s his people,he keeps telling us

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----you-have-to-laugh--- When: 07 Jun 20 20:32

Stick up a statue of Paul Stephenson, not gazzas mate, but the guy
who led the Bristol bus boycott in 1963

Another person who's part of British history deserves a statue far more than
slavers.

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PorcupineorPineapple When: 07 Jun 20 20:33

And we were a massive, massive player in it. We profited hugely. Modern society as we know it wouldn't exist if it weren't for the profits of slavery.

We just need a fair and balanced recognition if that to go with the good deeds that came from the Empire.

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Shrewd_dude When: 07 Jun 20 20:35

the profits made from stealing and selling human beings.

Or in a lot of cases bought them from other Africans.

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Cider When: 07 Jun 20 20:36

We have a 'bame' London Mayor 1st timer, and it's a complete sh1t show.

Don't believe everything you read in the left wing press.

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akabula When: 07 Jun 20 20:38

We just need a fair and balanced recognition if that to go with the good deeds that came from the Empire.

Is that what todays actions were all about? Was it really a protest against how history is taught in our education system? Or was it just mindless vandalism?

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woundedknee When: 07 Jun 20 20:42

Jun 7, 2020 -- 8:20PM, mukdahan wrote:

Wonder will the put a statue of George Floyd up to replace it?

ID RATHER A STATUE OF KEITH FLOYD

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GRANTCKING When: 07 Jun 20 20:46

so if bristol want nothing more to do with that guy will they be tearing down all the buildings and hospitals his money helped fund and if not why not? cant pick and choose imo, its all or nothing

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edy When: 07 Jun 20 20:52

I admire how blatant and open you are in your racism, woundedknee. I can respect that.

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PorcupineorPineapple When: 07 Jun 20 20:53

Yep

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GRANTCKING When: 07 Jun 20 20:53

it is a little strange tho, I have no desire to move to africa, why do they desire to move here

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woundedknee When: 07 Jun 20 21:02

IF they hate the UK so much... fook off

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macarony When: 07 Jun 20 21:03

I often think when I look at what this country as become that the descendants of colonial land owners must be running this country with their constant demand and shameless use of cheap foreign labour, not to mention the fact that large cities in the UK now resemble parts of empire, it is almost like they have recreated the good old days back here in Britain.
Somebody needs to tell them the glory days of empire are over.

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nineteen points When: 07 Jun 20 21:18

just out of curiosity,did they just put it up on friday afternoon? just that i have never heard it mentioned before by these oppressed folk.

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----you-have-to-laugh--- When: 07 Jun 20 21:20

No it's been covered by bin bags for months

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mecca When: 07 Jun 20 21:43

We should flatten Rome... that'll teach 'em for enslaving Englamd

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mecca When: 07 Jun 20 21:45

Then Sweden, Norway and Denmark can look out.. them pesky vikings

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nineteen points When: 07 Jun 20 21:54

my point.do we start re writing history? throw away what we dont like? its not a box of celebrations,its there warts and all.like all our lives.we will all have things we are proud of and things we arent. if so then who gets to choose what goes and what stays?

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----you-have-to-laugh--- When: 07 Jun 20 21:57

It's not, but there are certain things you do not need to ram down people's throats.

Surely you remember your thoughts when SJP was renamed

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----you-have-to-laugh--- When: 07 Jun 20 21:58

If fcb erected a statue of himself would you want it there?

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nineteen points When: 07 Jun 20 22:03

certainly not and i agree with your point.your right.all i am saying its a big can of worms to open

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InsiderTrader When: 07 Jun 20 22:04

If this act of criminal damage goes unanswered by society and the police I suspect we will see a lot more.

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Injera When: 07 Jun 20 22:08

The DFL went to Churchill for the second day running and we’re turned away by Cloth.

If this carnage happens next Saturday there will be a big firm. Thousands planning to protect the memorials.

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----you-have-to-laugh--- When: 07 Jun 20 22:16

It is a big can of worms.

Hope we unload it better in future than we have managed so far.

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aaronh When: 07 Jun 20 22:17

The downing of the statue has done more to inform people than anything else so we can see that it had a good educational purpose imo

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InsiderTrader When: 07 Jun 20 22:18

If they try to take down Churchill etc cannot see many people being happy with it.

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edy When: 07 Jun 20 22:22

Is the DFL some neo-nazi hooligan group like the FLA?

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mecca When: 07 Jun 20 22:22

DFL?
SJP?
fcb?

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mecca When: 07 Jun 20 22:22

FLA?

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edy When: 07 Jun 20 22:22

Football Lads Alliance

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mecca When: 07 Jun 20 22:23

Cheers

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DenzilPenberthy When: 07 Jun 20 22:24

what do these SFDCs wrecking the joint go by?

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InsiderTrader When: 07 Jun 20 22:25

Jun 7, 2020 -- 10:22PM, edy wrote:

Is the DFL some neo-nazi hooligan group like the FLA?

No such thing as 'neo-nazi' groups in the UK.

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mecca When: 07 Jun 20 22:25

Tried to figure out what SJP is. The only thing I can come up with is Sarah Jessica Parker