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By:
1st time poster
When: 07 Jun 20 19:07
England v  w germany final on this afternoon,plenty of red/white/blue,union jacks etc but not a st georges flag in sight
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 07 Jun 20 19:14
It would be nice when the statue is salvaged and melted down that
a donation was made to black lives matter.
By:
akabula
When: 07 Jun 20 19:15
Time to bring out the water-cannons to deal with this sc(-)um.
By:
SontaranStratagem
When: 07 Jun 20 19:17
It will end up kicking off because they need an excuse for the 2nd wave hitting (If they want to do one)

Blame the protesters etc
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 07 Jun 20 19:22
Jesus, a veritable avalanche of snowflakes on here
By:
Just Checking
When: 07 Jun 20 19:23
Edward Colston
"Altruism and politics
He supported and endowed schools, almshouses, hospitals and churches in Bristol, London and elsewhere. Many of his charitable foundations survive to this day.[1]

In Bristol, he founded almshouses in King Street and on St Michael's Hill, endowed Queen Elizabeth's Hospital school and helped found Colston's Hospital, a boarding school which opened in 1710 leaving an endowment to be managed by the Society of Merchant Venturers for its upkeep. He gave money to schools in Temple (one of which went on to become St Mary Redcliffe and Temple School) and other parts of Bristol, and to several churches and the cathedral."
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Maybe the leftists could put one up for Karl Marx, with the text below "originator of Communism which has killed more than 100 million people".
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 07 Jun 20 19:27
Police spokesman has been on and verified that the statue actually tripped and fell. So you all need to calm down.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 07 Jun 20 19:32
Statue on way to Barnard Castle for an eye test
By:
macarony
When: 07 Jun 20 19:34
It comes after largely peaceful demonstrations in London so a full scale riot is now largeley peaceful
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 07 Jun 20 19:37
Whatever you think of the statue and the manner of its disposal, there’s no doubt that working for the Royal Africa Co. Colston made a lot of money by appalling means. He was involved in the transportation of 84,000 enslaved men, women and children, 19,000 of whom died en route.

Sick slaves were often thrown overboard so an insurance claim could be made.

I wonder if the statue is insured?
By:
akabula
When: 07 Jun 20 19:39
The Scottish protests in Edinburgh and Edinburgh looked peaceful affairs.
They were held in Holyrood Park and Glasgow Green and tbf most were practising social distancing.
Mind you the Glasgow one had an independence against racism theme organised by the All Under One Banner pro independence group. Laugh
By:
akabula
When: 07 Jun 20 19:39
Oops Edinburgh and Glasgow that should read.
By:
PorcupineorPineapple
When: 07 Jun 20 19:41
Takes an act of ripping it down to learn about this guy and how he profitted from all those deaths. We never get taught this kind of thing in school. It's all just Henry VIII, Queen Vic and WWII.


Any talk of the Empire stops and ends at red coloured maps and talks of tea. We need to acknowledge our past to know our present.
By:
mukdahan
When: 07 Jun 20 19:43
You can"t judge people"s actions in the 17Th century by todays moral standards if we judged all history that way would be a very warped world.
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 07 Jun 20 19:44
Kids are learning plenty whilst the schools are closed.
By:
akabula
When: 07 Jun 20 19:47
Loads of people profited in all walks of lives through the slave trade.
Kings and Queens and The Catholic Church. Saints and Sinners all.
Was the way of the world and had been since Biblical times.
Whats next for them? A journey to Egypt to tear down the Pyramids?
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 07 Jun 20 19:47
We should not judge folk entirely by the standards of  today.

We should be proud of those that stood up against the likes of colston

But protecting the legacy of some of these guys is not necessarily the
best way forward
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 07 Jun 20 19:50

Jun 7, 2020 -- 7:41PM, PorcupineorPineapple wrote:


Takes an act of ripping it down to learn about this guy and how he profitted from all those deaths. We never get taught this kind of thing in school. It's all just Henry VIII, Queen Vic and WWII.Any talk of the Empire stops and ends at red coloured maps and talks of tea. We need to acknowledge our past to know our present.


What areas of the globe have not been involved in slavery in the world before 200 years ago?

Are white British people any more responsible than any other British ethnic group for what British people did in history? We are all British and we all benefit from the fact that the British Empire existed.

By:
1st time poster
When: 07 Jun 20 19:52
i,ll check but cant remember to many people suggesting the british army put the statue of saddam back up, or anyone suggesting germany erect a statue of hitler, Sad
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 07 Jun 20 19:53
White folk are no more slavers than anybody else

If you want to prove that then losing a few statues of white folk who clearly did
profit from enslaving black folk would be a small price for you to pay
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 07 Jun 20 19:54

Jun 7, 2020 -- 7:53PM, ----you-have-to-laugh--- wrote:


White folk are no more slavers than anybody elseIf you want to prove that then losing a few statues of white folk who clearly didprofit from enslaving black folk would be a small price for you to pay


We all profited and continue to profit from it.

By:
InsiderTrader
When: 07 Jun 20 19:54
all British people that is.
By:
edy
When: 07 Jun 20 19:55

Jun 7, 2020 -- 7:43PM, mukdahan wrote:


You can"t judge people"s actions in the 17Th century by todays moral standards if we judged all history that way would be a very warped world.


That's correct, and maybe people like him that are products of their time shouldn't be judged too harshly. However, I think it's fair to wonder if they should be celebrated and honoured.

There was quite a bit of discussion in Germany in the past few years about a university named after Ernst Moritz Arndt. Badass nationalist racist anti-semite hate preacher. Something that was perfectly normal for its time. If you weren't a badass racist anti-semite hate preacher when he was around, you were shunned by society. The university and its students however wondered if that's really someone they wish to continue to honour (spoiler: they decided against it).

The local AfD and parts of the CDU were for keeping it. Sometimes I do feel people just want to cling onto these things just for the sake of desperately clinging on to whatever they can in a world where liberalism is...winning. The really peculiar thing is that it wasn't even something with huge tradition. The university has been around since the 15th century, and was only named after Ernst Moritz Arndt in 1933 because the Nazis fancied him.

By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 07 Jun 20 19:56
So losing a few statues should not bother you

Clearly it does

Your racist output has been pointed out before
By:
1st time poster
When: 07 Jun 20 19:58
can you imagine if we turned the clock back 20 odd years and at the time there was outrage at the trials of Stephen Lawrence killers,the way they lauded it outside court etc,if it was happening today half the country would be supporting them,strange times we,re going backover, the right and their new red wall would be encouraging the police as they battered the miner,s at Orgreave,calling them leftie scumwho need teaching a lesson, uk divided,no right or wrong,just support doris and co or else
By:
akabula
When: 07 Jun 20 19:59
Donny do you think the Pyramids in Egypt should be destroyed?
By:
1st time poster
When: 07 Jun 20 19:59
if the sun comes back out we could be in for a summer of discontent
By:
----you-have-to-laugh---
When: 07 Jun 20 20:00
The Jimmy Saville statue was removed

Like Colston he balanced his crimes against charity donations
By:
edy
When: 07 Jun 20 20:00
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jan/11/great-pyramid-tombs-slaves-egypt

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By:
1st time poster
When: 07 Jun 20 20:03
even after lockdown restrictions ,the thing to take from weekends pictures are take protester,s  away and London is still dead on a weekend
By:
1st time poster
When: 07 Jun 20 20:04
must be a bugger getting young wilfy to sleep last 2 nights, Laugh
By:
akabula
When: 07 Jun 20 20:06
I'll ask you Edy. Do you think the Pyramids in Egypt should be destroyed?
By:
edy
When: 07 Jun 20 20:07
Why should they?
By:
akabula
When: 07 Jun 20 20:11
I'll take that as a NO then.
Makes you a hypocrite going by your earlier posts on this thread.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 07 Jun 20 20:11

Jun 7, 2020 -- 7:55PM, edy wrote:


Jun  7, 2020 --  6:43PM, mukdahan wrote:You can"t judge people"s actions in the 17Th century by todays moral standards if we judged all history that way would be a very warped world.That's correct, and maybe people like him that are products of their time shouldn't be judged too harshly. However, I think it's fair to wonder if they should be celebrated and honoured.There was quite a bit of discussion in Germany in the past few years about a university named after Ernst Moritz Arndt. Badass nationalist racist anti-semite hate preacher. Something that was perfectly normal for its time. If you weren't a badass racist anti-semite hate preacher when he was around, you were shunned by society. The university and its students however wondered if that's really someone they wish to continue to honour (spoiler: they decided against it).The local AfD and parts of the CDU were for keeping it. Sometimes I do feel people just want to cling onto these things just for the sake of desperately clinging on to whatever they can in a world where liberalism is...winning. The really peculiar thing is that it wasn't even something with huge tradition. The university has been around since the 15th century, and was only named after Ernst Moritz Arndt in 1933 because the Nazis fancied him.


Of course you can have this debate.

What happened today was not a debate.

It appears to be a criminal act by people who lost the debate so took matters into their own hands.

If we support this can we complain is the Statue of the Greatest ever Briton is taken down?

As a society we must take a stand against this.

By:
InsiderTrader
When: 07 Jun 20 20:12
When I say taken down I mean ripped down by the mob.
By:
edy
When: 07 Jun 20 20:12

Jun 7, 2020 -- 8:11PM, akabula wrote:


I'll take that as a NO then.Makes you a hypocrite going by your earlier posts on this thread.


No, you don't take that as a no. You take as a question upon which you explain why you think I should think they should be destroyed.

By:
edy
When: 07 Jun 20 20:15
The statue of Eddie the Eagle is not in danger, IT.
By:
1st time poster
When: 07 Jun 20 20:16
they've been having the debate in Bristol for years about the statue,like I say everyone council,black labour mayor will be delighted the decision,s been made for them,
unless the spectator arranges a recovery from the river Laugh
By:
mukdahan
When: 07 Jun 20 20:20
Wonder will the put a statue of George Floyd up to replace it?
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