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WILL BORIS SAVE THE UK AT 7PM?
WILL BORIS SAVE THE UK AT 7PM?
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Dotchinite
10 May 20 20:09 Joined: 19 Apr 04 | Topic/replies: 6,836 | Blogger: Dotchinite's blog Old and vulnerable people know by now the risks and that they need to stay inside. Why does that need mentioning again. ^ Well there needs to be a plan. The initial plan was to tell the old and vulnerable to isolate for 12 weeks whilst the rest of the population built up immunity. Then the old and vulnerable could come back out. Boris said we could beat the virus back in those 12 weeks. The vulnerable got those letters saying stay in for 12 weeks. When they are told in could be months or years longer many will give up hope, come back out and enter a society where there is not enough immunity to stop transmission and die. Failing that people in their household will go out and pick the virus up and bring it back to them. They will be picked off one by one. We have wasted 7 weeks to build up immunity in the population so far. It is building but is going to take longer than if the younger had been out there doing their shielding work. We have just delayed the process I suppose. |
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Totally agree , Des .Let's hope the government introduce some positive measures to help them .
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'We have wasted 7 weeks to build up immunity in the population so far. It is building but is going to take longer than if the younger had been out there doing their shielding work. We have just delayed the process I suppose.'
More nonsense. More people in the UK have been infected because of early inaction than if you'd acted promptly, introduced restrictions earlier and avoided having to lock down. The strategy at the start was to encourage the spread of it and that resulted in having to lock down because hospitals were on course to be overwhelmed. You'd be more out of lockdown but with less immunity by now if you'd acted promptly. Make your mind up. You're either in favour of building up immunity more quickly or you're not. You can't be in favour of encouraging the spread and be anti-lockdown at the same time. Encouraging the spread made locking down inevitable. And don't suggest that because hospitals are empty that ending lockdown immediately is sensible. You are still at the peak of daily new cases when the likes of Spain, Italy, Germany released restrictions after a 4 week steady downtrend of daily new cases to levels approaching pre-lockdown levels. The UK is still at peak and that looks like it's going to end in more restrictions in the short-term. |
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New cases may be rising but hospital admissions falling.
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lurka
10 May 20 20:44 Joined: 25 Oct 10 | Topic/replies: 15,441 | Blogger: lurka's blog 'We have wasted 7 weeks to build up immunity in the population so far. It is building but is going to take longer than if the younger had been out there doing their shielding work. We have just delayed the process I suppose.' More nonsense. More people in the UK have been infected because of early inaction than if you'd acted promptly, introduced restrictions earlier and avoided having to lock down. The strategy at the start was to encourage the spread of it and that resulted in having to lock down because hospitals were on course to be overwhelmed. You'd be more out of lockdown but with less immunity by now if you'd acted promptly. Make your mind up. You're either in favour of building up immunity more quickly or you're not. You can't be in favour of encouraging the spread and be anti-lockdown at the same time. Encouraging the spread made locking down inevitable. ^ Controlling the spread in non-shielded people from social distancing. This was the initial policy up to 23rd March and appears to be the policy now with people told to get out more and go to work if they need to. People will not be fined for driving to the beach or going out more than once a day now. They still talk about 'household' but not sure how they will enforce this. As long as people social distance and they see eachother while out sunbathing I think it will be a breach. A slow controlled immunity build up should carry on now in the healthy population by default. |
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Injera
10 May 20 20:46 Joined: 04 Jan 03 | Topic/replies: 17,570 | Blogger: Injera's blog New cases may be rising but hospital admissions falling. ^ Testing more people. Before only people in hospital tested. Now people not ill enough to be hospital being tested. |
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It wasn't the initial policy up to March 23. The initial policy was to allow indoor music concerts and football matches to go ahead, Cheltenham etc, and very few other restrictions. That's what led to the spread getting out of control and having to lock down.
It may be the policy to control the spread going forward, hopefully it will be, together with contact tracing and some screening of airports, both of which were non-existent at the start too. I can't imagine they haven't learned from their mistake. |
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Tourism bosses in Cumbria have said they are "shocked" by the "timing and short notice" of Boris Johnson's announcement.
Cumbria's tourism board tweeted: "We are awaiting further details but the safety of residents must come first. For now, tourism businesses in Cumbria remain closed and we urge everyone to continue to stay home." As part of the PM's plans to reopen society, he said from Wednesday people in England would now be able to leave home as many times as they wish for exercise and drive to other destinations in the country for exercise. People have previously been warned to avoid travelling to beauty spots like the Lake District in Cumbria, as the county still had high infection rates. |
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We should end lockdown...it is infringing our civil liberties
If people want to be lock downed that should be their own decision not the Governments!!! |
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Nice messages are one thing but the blunt reality is another. If there is no vaccine/treatments for this and the virus doesnt "leave" as Trump predicts then old and vulnerable people are in a real fix for the forseeable future. No amount of encouragement can change that and they are all fully aware of the situation. Either stay in for the next couple of years or risk getting a fatal illness.
As said above the best hope they have is the rest of us getting herd immunity sooner rather than later. |
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Awesome from Boris tonight.
Finally the main man is BACK. |
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Great stuff wasn't it pecker?
Glad he has put a smile on your dial. |
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Is it proven that building up Herd Immunity works ... in other words if you have had the virus do you build up antibodies to prevent reinfection ... if not then what?
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a recent study (i dont think peer reviewed yet) found that everyone is producing antibodies (including those who are asymptomatic) which is great and should mean there is some level of immunity but no one knows how much immunity you get and how long for.
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It's like people have forgotten that humans can actually die from anything else
There are literally thousands of ways to die, yet everybody's scared of this one thing It's become bizarre where I live All motorbike riders now wear a 5p mask but NOBODY wears a helmet as the police are just checking masks The whole safety aspect of a helmet has gone for a burton Bizarre! |
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/health/coronavirus-antibody-prevalence.html?smid=tw-nytimesscience&smtyp=cur
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.30.20085613v1 |
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insider trader absolutely mullered by doris top 2 scientists
no evidence that children transmit virus more,less or the same as adults poor old IT been trying to educate the forum for 8 hrs that they don't transmit it at all, IT should be next to his hero doris on the podium, and he thinks doris played a blinder today,probably comparing doris with himself, |
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It was a good q & a session from Bojo and his learned henchmen. Even the questions were intelligent and appropriate for a change. This evening went a long way to clarify the doubts sowed yesterday eg duty of employer on social distancing at work; meeting loved ones; travel; exercise; etc.
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the 2 amigo,s reckon under 4% of population have had virus,thats up to and including the peak,only about 3 years to get the other 76% infected
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But that's where the stay alert advice come in for me. I'd not be in the proximity of these people a second longer than necessary eg early morning shop (or when they are praying) given their stats of contraction and death rates. And, no public transport or Uber; face mask is absolutely essential in supermarket.
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the worlds superspreaders were the middle ,upper class coming back from Italian sking trips and carrying on with their normal life in uk,going to pubs,shops,cafes, etc
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Hardly any muslims or Africans in Japan - well over 100 million people and Tokyo is very densely populated
Low infection rate/death toll Hardly any muslims or Africans in S korea - Low infection rate/death toll Muslims are kept in certain areas of China Singapore - the outbreaks from migrants, mainly muslim etc etc UK - lots of Africans and muslims, higher death toll US - lots of Africans , higher death toll It's not PC to say it but there is obvious correlations that nobody wants to talk about |
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there were very few here at the beginning of out break, their personal hygiene ,relentless hand washing ,was been put forward as an exsample to us all by trtevor phillips, now conducting an enquiry as to why so many bame have died
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japan has an amazing public health system and they wear masks, a really interesting article on their situation here
https://moneyweek.com/economy/global-economy/601264/cluster-busting-japan-success-fighting-covid-19?utm_campaign=money-morning-newsletter south korea immediately went on test, track and trace. the reason for the migrant outbreak in singapore is because they live in dormitories. you are letting your hatred guide you jucel, 2 + 2 = 487438959345348  |
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The WHO say only wear masks when you are infected
It apparently doesn't stop you from becoming infected Look at all the NHS staff that have died in the UK They are mainly muslims/africans and would have been wearing masks PPE etc |
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pmsl, i have had discussions with you not long ago where you mentioned the mask wearing culture in asia
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and now you are quoting the w h o an organisation you havge spent much time attacking
you are not up to date, there is a thread on here nhs staff have done ok |
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i dont think it was mandatory when we were in discussion and we werent just talking about thailand, we were talking about south korea i think??
i didnt say it is a panacea, it is one thing. i also mentioned that the outbreak in singapore was in dormitories is that true or not? plenty of research pointing to prolonged and repeated exposure indoors being the driver of infection. |
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masks are more likely to stop you infecting others, i agree the research is not definitive but as well as asia they were mandated in czechia along with other things and they have done well.
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98% of Japan is Japanese, got to be something in that, even if you don't believe anything else
126 million people |
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Islam is a slowly growing religion in Taiwan and it represents about 0.3% of the population. There are around 60,000 Muslims in Taiwan, in which about 90% belong to the Hui ethnic group.
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that article is now paywalled so i cant see it but i was sure it mentioned the japanese wearing masks.
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The virus can go in through the eyes too