Chit Chat
WILL BORIS SAVE THE UK AT 7PM?
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Raleigh are recruiting 10k
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Basically we'll see businesses opening back up soon if not next week
the message is becoming back to work |
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who do you thinks going to work tomorrow who didn't go last week, they don't work for doris,people arnt at work because their companies are closed
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Should never Have been 2500 Payments in the place , Blanket 1200 , why should taxes be paying Mortgages and Car loans ??
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If you can go to the garden centre people will just think sod this and start heading out on masse
Numbers down, deaths down, R down, the job is done is what people will be thinking now   This alert system is a joke and a farce Fact is people haven't brought into the App nonsense and they know as a wider society it wont be accepted |
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Am I right in thinking that every tom, dick and harry can drive x number of miles to seaside resorts and just spend the day sunbathing? Kids running around everywhere you can just see social distancing being adhered to.
And that's a step in the right direction? Good luck to anyone making a long journey to work who doesn't have either a car or bike. |
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Angoose
10 May 20 19:21 Joined: 18 Jul 02 | Topic/replies: 16,211 | Blogger: Angoose's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:20PM, InsiderTrader wrote: aaronh10 May 20 19:16Joined: 18 Sep 09| Topic/replies: 272,403 | Blogger: aaronh's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:10PM, InsiderTrader wrote: That furlough nonsense needs to be stopped ASAP.why?^Because it needs to be targeted to those companies that actually need it rather than be open to everyone.Who is going to go back to work when they can get £2.5k a month sitting on the beach sunbathing? Employees don’t decide if they are on furlough or not. ^ In many small businesses up and down the country they do. It is done by consensus in my experience. |
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Who is going to go back to work when they don't even know if their employers are going to be open for business? Never mind the requisite safety measures being in place, or if there is still demand for whatever it was they did before.
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Supported by evidence, of course
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from what I heard the car was only mentioned in conjunction with going to work,not for jollies, confusion reigns
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They want to give you a push bike for work
No idea whether they are coming or going the sheep |
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Angoose
10 May 20 19:35 Joined: 18 Jul 02 | Topic/replies: 16,213 | Blogger: Angoose's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:33PM, InsiderTrader wrote: Angoose10 May 20 19:21Joined: 18 Jul 02| Topic/replies: 16,211 | Blogger: Angoose's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:20PM, InsiderTrader wrote: aaronh10 May 20 19:16Joined: 18 Sep 09| Topic/replies: 272,403 | Blogger: aaronh's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:10PM, InsiderTrader wrote: That furlough nonsense needs to be stopped ASAP.why?^Because it needs to be targeted to those companies that actually need it rather than be open to everyone.Who is going to go back to work when they can get £2.5k a month sitting on the beach sunbathing?Employees don’t decide if they are on furlough or not.^In many small businesses up and down the country they do. It is done by consensus in my experience. And how many of the 6 million on furlough does your experience tell you that were able to choose to be furloughed? ^ And how many were not? You always ask me for 'evidence' yet never have even a shred of it yourself. |
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Sam Coates has written a decent piece on the Sky News website.
Feels like that statement changed in the last couple of days, leading to an empty message. |
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The transport graph should at least be novel tomorrow...
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1st time poster
Date Joined: 25 Dec 05 Add contact | Send message 10 May 20 19:37 Joined: 25 Dec 05 | Topic/replies: 39,493 | Blogger: 1st time poster's blog from what I heard the car was only mentioned in conjunction with going to work,not for jollies, confusion reigns ^ And from this Wednesday, we want to encourage people to take more and even unlimited amounts of outdoor exercise. You can sit in the sun in your local park, you can drive to other destinations, you can even play sports but only with members of your own household. You must obey the rules on social distancing and to enforce those rules we will increase the fines for the small minority who break them. |
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How’s your R today edy
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Angoose
Date Joined: 18 Jul 02 Add contact | Send message 10 May 20 19:40 Joined: 18 Jul 02 | Topic/replies: 16,215 | Blogger: Angoose's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:39PM, InsiderTrader wrote: Angoose10 May 20 19:35Joined: 18 Jul 02| Topic/replies: 16,213 | Blogger: Angoose's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:33PM, InsiderTrader wrote: Angoose10 May 20 19:21Joined: 18 Jul 02| Topic/replies: 16,211 | Blogger: Angoose's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:20PM, InsiderTrader wrote: aaronh10 May 20 19:16Joined: 18 Sep 09| Topic/replies: 272,403 | Blogger: aaronh's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:10PM, InsiderTrader wrote: That furlough nonsense needs to be stopped ASAP.why?^Because it needs to be targeted to those companies that actually need it rather than be open to everyone.Who is going to go back to work when they can get £2.5k a month sitting on the beach sunbathing?Employees don’t decide if they are on furlough or not.^In many small businesses up and down the country they do. It is done by consensus in my experience.And how many of the 6 million on furlough does your experience tell you that were able to choose to be furloughed?^And how many were not?You always ask me for 'evidence' yet never have even a shred of it yourself. You made the claim and don’t hesitate to dismiss claims of others due to lack of evidence. Cake and eat it, cake and eat it. Angoose 10 May 20 19:21 Joined: 18 Jul 02 | Topic/replies: 16,215 | Blogger: Angoose's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:20PM, InsiderTrader wrote: aaronh10 May 20 19:16Joined: 18 Sep 09| Topic/replies: 272,403 | Blogger: aaronh's blog May 10, 2020 -- 7:10PM, InsiderTrader wrote: That furlough nonsense needs to be stopped ASAP.why?^Because it needs to be targeted to those companies that actually need it rather than be open to everyone.Who is going to go back to work when they can get £2.5k a month sitting on the beach sunbathing? Employees don’t decide if they are on furlough or not. ^ You made the claim pal. Give us the evidence that employees have had no say in this in hundreds of thousands of businesses up and down the country. |
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cheer,s trader never heard that bit,
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Throwing a bone to the young and fit, telling them to carry on as they like, while not bothering to even mention the most vulnerable groups is cowardly and negligent, imo. Bojo and his rich pals are not going to lead us out of this mess. They are just waiting and hoping that the virus will die out or go away.
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I can partially back up what insidetrader has said, I know someone who works in a car garage quite close to where you live angoose and he was given the choice of whether or not he want to work or take furlough on 80%, he obv laughed and snapped the guys hand off for 80% and a holiday
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50,000 people in family groups can go to Brighton beach Wednesday and kick a ball about while practising social distancing.
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just imagine the outrage and ridicule if that was corbyn doing that statement
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GRANTCKING
10 May 20 19:51 Joined: 08 May 10 | Topic/replies: 255,703 | Blogger: GRANTCKING's blog I can partially back up what insidetrader has said, I know someone who works in a car garage quite close to where you live angoose and he was given the choice of whether or not he want to work or take furlough on 80%, he obv laughed and snapped the guys hand off for 80% and a holiday ^ Thanks for the backup. I have heard this is the case in many large and small companies where there was discussions on who gets furloughed. Angoose likes to ask for evidence but never offers any whatsoever to back up his own points. |
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Whether or not small businesses potentially allow their employees to voice whether they wish to be furloughed doesn't change that it's ultimately up to the leadership of the business to decide if the furlough actually happens.
Your argument was "Who is going to go back to work when they can get £2.5k a month sitting on the beach sunbathing?" The counter-argument is that employees can not ultimately decide they want to get 2.5k a month sitting on the beach sunbathing. |
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i.e sunbathing addicted employees can not force their employers to furlough them against the employer's will.
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Des Pond
10 May 20 19:49 Joined: 19 Aug 06 | Topic/replies: 14,323 | Blogger: Des Pond's blog Throwing a bone to the young and fit, telling them to carry on as they like, while not bothering to even mention the most vulnerable groups is cowardly and negligent, imo. ^ Yes it was the lack of plan to offer any hope to old and vulnerable groups that was disappointing. The only real hope for them is for the young to build up immunity to stop the spread. Failing that they have to wait for a vaccine that might never come. Many will not wait months on end with no plan or explanation and will eventually come out and we will see terrible numbers then.  |
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edy, we’ve told you before, cold German logic is not conducive to bunfights on chit chat
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Old and vulnerable people know by now the risks and that they need to stay inside. Why does that need mentioning again.
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The virus will not leave . The lockdown kept the numbers of infection down . Made it harder to transfer from one person to another so lowered the R
number . This does not destroy the virus because people are still infected . Loosening the rules will increase the R number . More people will become infected but the same "at risk" groups will continue to die and the same not "at risk" groups will live . There has never been a vaccine for a coronavirus so it is anyone's guess when that will happen . If you are at risk and are able to make changes to your health and lifestyle , take responsibility . If you can't then be very careful . Keep your vitamin D levels up . |
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And inject Dettol daily.
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Only 4% of those over 65 and 18% of those over 85s live in care homes and we know what is happening there.
The devastation if the other 82% of over 85s start saying 'sod it' and come out of isolation before herd immunity is built could be horrendous. |
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You can asked to be furloughed if you feel you are being asked to work in potentially unsafe conditions or having to travel to work puts you at risk.
Employers are not bound by law to grant you this but know they could be taken for constructive dismissal if no agreement can be reached and they force the employees hand. Btw I had no say in the process of being furloughed by my company. |
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Quite right eyeball.
There’s no immunity to many illnesses. The body can fight off most but not others. It doesn’t stop us living our lives. I find those people welcoming a prolonged lockdown quite strange. |
