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Have Sweden flattened the curve without trashing the economy?
Have Sweden flattened the curve without trashing the economy?
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how's it a good result for Sweden when their death rate is many times more than anyone else in scandanavia ?
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South Africa had a better result
They locked down sooner than UK despite being on same path at start of their infectiin They have so many more at risk members of population too Had UK locked down at same time as South Africa we could be looking at 30,000 or more fewer UK deaths caused by tory incompetence |
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how's it a good result for Sweden when their death rate is many times more than anyone else in scandanavia ?
They have gone herd immunity route. Higher deaths at this point would be expected. Its the final total which will show. At the moment though there is no exponential growth. If anything their figures are going through the floor its as clear as day they have gone the right road. Even the WHO are now covering their ar5es by claiming them as a role model country |
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https://amp.abc.net.au/article/12200256?
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the WHO ? i'd be doing the opposite of anything that utterly useless organisation recommends
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Herd or lock down or whatever strategy .The same at risk people will die until antibodies are built up or a vaccine is discovered .Deaths would have been far less if vitamin D levels amongst the most vulnerable were not so low or had been adjusted .
Some countries were better prepared with immediate track and trace but will have little or no immunity to the virus . It will tail off towards the end of the month in the northern hemisphere and the second wave will come in October/November unless governments cotton on or discover a miracle cure .  |
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Sweden doing worse than USA...
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Sweden done a great job.
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa Deaths peaked back in early April. Economy not trashed as much. People not scared of leaving their homes. Immunity in the population built. Boris did not hold his nerve to stick the same policy. Shame for our public services that will suffer for the next decade as a result of Boris not sticking to the plan. |
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Had UK locked down at same time as South Africa we could be looking at 30,000 or more fewer UK deaths caused by tory incompetence
Yes we are Meant to be 2/3 weeks behind the Peak up here we, locked down 3 weeks ago with very few known cases , and now have the Highest rates in the country ..... Can you Give us reasoning on how that can happen ?? And how great locking down 2 weeks earlier would have been when The Virus was already running wild in the population ?? TYIA 30,000 or more fewer UK deaths Righty OH !! |
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has sweden done a great job compared to its neighbours, albania, portugal, the cezech republic, greece, lebanon, south korea, taiwan, hong kong or singapore trader?
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At this stage I believe Sweden has pursued a reckless and foolish strategy that has cost many more lives than was necessary but I am willing to concede that the book is not yet written and long term there is the possibility they could look like the smartest cats on the block (as far as europe is concerned. they will never outstrip places like Singapore, South Korea & Hong Kong who are the outliers in excellence.
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https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1258453876681977856/photo/1
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did a man who thought that covid would not get from china to europe make a good call or not trader?
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casemoney
Date Joined: 04 Aug 06 Blogger: casemoney's blog Add contact | Send message 08 May 20 17:54 Joined: 04 Aug 06 | Topic/replies: 32,130 | Blogger: casemoney's blog Had UK locked down at same time as South Africa we could be looking at 30,000 or more fewer UK deaths caused by tory incompetence ^ This is where the ignorance kicks in trying to compare. UK has 18% of the population over 65. South Africa is just 6%. This is the area where death rate goes up South Africa has 29% of the population under 15 where virtually no one dies. UK has just 12% under 15. Comparing an African country with a Europe one is absurd. |
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did a man who thought there were no signs of community transmission in sweden make a good call trader?
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'a man' ?
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just answer the questions? were these good calls or bad calls?
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did a man who thought that if someone returned from holiday in italy and was not showing symptoms they were ok to go to work, even if family members were ill, make a good call?
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what is the swedish strategy to defend old people? how well has it done so far?
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what % of the swedes have now been infected? how much immunity have they got? how long does immunity last?
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jollyswagman
08 May 20 18:06 Joined: 04 Jul 15 | Topic/replies: 9,127 | Blogger: jollyswagman's blog did a man who thought that if someone returned from holiday in italy and was not showing symptoms they were ok to go to work, even if family members were ill, make a good call? ^ Around 14% same household catch it if someone has it... so bad call in hindsight. |
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jollyswagman
08 May 20 18:10 Joined: 04 Jul 15 | Topic/replies: 9,128 | Blogger: jollyswagman's blog what is the swedish strategy to defend old people? how well has it done so far? ^ Poor. The same as UK, Ireland, France, Italy, Spain and USA who went with lockdown. No difference. |
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my first question was at 7.00
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Sweden Number 6 in Deaths per million Just ahead of the Irish in 7th , Top 15 countries all European bar the Yanks , Despite Many having very
Small Poulations .. Very strange that a Virus originating in China should cause so much carnage in Europe and the States .. |
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actually my first question was at 6.55
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jollyswagman
08 May 20 18:13 Joined: 04 Jul 15 | Topic/replies: 9,128 | Blogger: jollyswagman's blog what % of the swedes have now been infected? how much immunity have they got? how long does immunity last? ^ Stockholm like London much higher than rest of the country. Stockholm had over 1200 deaths with population of 1m so around at a death rate of 0.9% (ferguson) 13% have had it. At 0.2% (Iceland Number) 60% had it. I suspect it is between the two due to high numbers infected in carehomes. In terms of immunity I do not know although one of the former top government advisers suggested immunity was strong as he thought it allowed him to safely have his lover visit after he had been infected. |
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Angoose your little charts that you have priority access to publish on the forum are fake news.
Please do us a favour and use you access to publish the real numbers from source... https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa If you are unfamiliar with Swedish 'Avlidna per dag' means deaths per day. You seem to have a massive delay in your numbers. |
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Get in touch with worldometer, they use https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9a as their source
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Total cases - 25,625 IDENTICAL
Total deaths - 3,175 IDENTICAL |
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jollyswagman
08 May 20 17:55 Joined: 04 Jul 15 | Topic/replies: 9,130 | Blogger: jollyswagman's blog has sweden done a great job compared to its neighbours, albania, portugal, the cezech republic, greece, lebanon, south korea, taiwan, hong kong or singapore trader? ^ Those countries have all done different things. south korea, taiwan, hong kong and singapore are not European democracies. They have different powers on privacy and curtailing individual freedoms to Europe. portugal, the cezech republic, greece went for early lockdown. Time will tell if that saves them in the long run. Maybe it will but I imagine Greece and Portugal economically even more in trouble due to these policies. compared to its neighbours of Norway, Denmark and Finland... let wait and see. Will primary school shutdowns for no reason effect Danish and kids from Norway more in the decades to come? Will their numbers catch up when they reopen? |
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Angoose
08 May 20 18:30 Joined: 18 Jul 02 | Topic/replies: 16,070 | Blogger: Angoose's blog Total cases - 25,625 IDENTICAL Total deaths - 3,175 IDENTICAL ^ Your chart is not correct. You are using date reported rather than date the deaths happened. They are nonsense. Do us and favour and publish the real data of deaths per day rather than your fake news ones. Real data for deaths per day peaked on 8th April (you suggest in your fake numbers it was around 23rd April).... 11/03/2020 1 12/03/2020 0 13/03/2020 1 14/03/2020 1 15/03/2020 2 16/03/2020 2 17/03/2020 1 18/03/2020 6 19/03/2020 7 20/03/2020 9 21/03/2020 8 22/03/2020 11 23/03/2020 11 24/03/2020 21 25/03/2020 22 26/03/2020 31 27/03/2020 32 28/03/2020 35 29/03/2020 38 30/03/2020 44 31/03/2020 49 01/04/2020 53 02/04/2020 70 03/04/2020 78 04/04/2020 72 05/04/2020 86 06/04/2020 90 07/04/2020 84 08/04/2020 115 09/04/2020 86 10/04/2020 90 11/04/2020 103 12/04/2020 97 13/04/2020 85 14/04/2020 91 15/04/2020 114 16/04/2020 110 17/04/2020 82 18/04/2020 89 19/04/2020 89 20/04/2020 83 21/04/2020 62 22/04/2020 76 23/04/2020 83 24/04/2020 85 25/04/2020 73 26/04/2020 70 27/04/2020 71 28/04/2020 69 29/04/2020 71 30/04/2020 64 01/05/2020 67 02/05/2020 61 03/05/2020 60 04/05/2020 57 05/05/2020 37 06/05/2020 32 07/05/2020 21 08/05/2020 4 |
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You'd better get on to Johnson and his cronies because they are doing the same at their daily breifings.
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 trader you do not know the answers, neither do i and neither does tegnell the man leading sweden and the man who made all the really bad calls i outlined earlier. he thought covid 19 wouldnt make it from china to europe, he thought there would not be community transmission, he thought someone was ok to go to work if they had come back from italy and didnt have symptoms even if someone else in their household was ill. tegnell is a guesser just as much as ferguson is. on the plus side i have read several reports which say those infected, whether they got ill or not, are producing anitibodies which should confer some immunity. however, no one knows how long for. no one knows what will work yet you made a statement at 6.49 that sweden have done a great job. imo that is just not right, we will not know for some time. what we do know is that those countries which have sought to stop the disease spreading have bought themselves time. |
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So, my chart is correct, reflecting the reported dates.
I've never claimed it to be anything else, so get off your high horse. |
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Angoose
08 May 20 18:40 Joined: 18 Jul 02 | Topic/replies: 16,072 | Blogger: Angoose's blog So, my chart is correct, reflecting the reported dates. I've never claimed it to be anything else, so get off your high horse. ^ Use your priority access to publish the real chart please. |
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Because what gets published on an anonymous gambling forum is influencing government policy, eh.
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jollyswagman
08 May 20 18:40 Joined: 04 Jul 15 | Topic/replies: 9,131 | Blogger: jollyswagman's blog Laugh trader you do not know the answers, neither do i and neither does tegnell the man leading sweden and the man who made all the really bad calls i outlined earlier. he thought covid 19 wouldnt make it from china to europe, he thought there would not be community transmission, he thought someone was ok to go to work if they had come back from italy and didnt have symptoms even if someone else in their household was ill. tegnell is a guesser just as much as ferguson is. on the plus side i have read several reports which say those infected, whether they got ill or not, are producing anitibodies which should confer some immunity. however, no one knows how long for. no one knows what will work yet you made a statement at 6.49 that sweden have done a great job. imo that is just not right, we will not know for some time. what we do know is that those countries which have sought to stop the disease spreading have bought themselves time. ^ Time for what though. The disease may never have a vaccine. We may get drugs to help it. Sweden had lost 0.03% of its population to this. Uk has lost 0.047% with lockdown. Both countries are well on their way to building some sort of immunity in their populations. The UK has spent over £200bn on lockdown so far. That is over 1 year for running the whole NHS. Madness. |
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yesterday on here i read one of the nincompoops claim that all a lockdown succeeds in doing is slowing the spread, he seemed to think the number of dead was the same, it certainly is not.
https://twitter.com/yaneerbaryam/status/1251704323035344896/photo/1 greece opted to lock down two weeks before spain, they stand as of now at 14 deaths per million compared to 562 for spain. athens is one of the most crowded cities in europe i think??? it isnt the lock down that killed our economy it is the failure to act earlier. |