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Have Sweden flattened the curve without trashing the economy?
Have Sweden flattened the curve without trashing the economy?
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Sweden are following usual health guidance practice to tackle this.
Weigh up who’s most at risk. Advise maximum caution. Those at risk. Take precautions. Those least at risk. Proceed as normal with care. It’s the sensible approach. One size fits all is pig ignorant. Just because it’s ill advised for a 20 stone 5ft 6 man to climb Everest, doesn’t mean others can’t try... |
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edy , It doesn't matter if you are infected and all you get are sniffles for a couple of days . We suffer from viruses throughout the world . Mostly during the winter season in the norther hemisphere . 30% of colds are coronavirus but all viruses have different levels of infection and death . The most at risk groups suffer from vitamin D deficiency . The more I research the more certain I become . Jenny Harries almost let the cat out of the bag revealing that BAME suffer at higher rates of hypertension . A symptom of D deficiency . Whether they know and are not revealing the fact that it has preventative properties , I would not know . Nobody knows what goes on in the SAGE meetings . We are treated like idiots and react like sheep. We are under CONTROL .
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Pretty sure I read that Sweden's economy is going to be trashed anyway. Pretty worrying for the rest of Europe that as lockdown is being relaxed, the economy will still be sinking much further.
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50% of Sweden's death figures are from care homes.
Most lock down countries (US, UK, Spain etc) do not use these in the numbers we see. |
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'Earlier this month, Swedish epideomiologist Johan Giesecke claimed that the UK was wrong to implement its lockdown measures, and singled out Professor Neil Ferguson’s Imperial study for being too pessimistic in its worst-case prediction of 500,000 corona deaths. Describing it as “not very good”, Giesecke was surprised it had such an impact on policymakers.
Today we hear from the other side, as Freddie Sayers speaks to Prof Ferguson to get his response to the Swedish critique.' Live at 2pm UK time.... Lets see how he defends the 500,000 number, the 0.9% number, lockdown and all the rest of it.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q09Ov-g1yYM |
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Sweden must be compared with it's nordic cousins not UK /France
different demographics, different mentality ... fairly risk averse (sensible) ,different healthcare not to mention more healthy citizens than FrUk ,low numbers in households, low immigration outside of that sh1thouse Malmo . they haven't included care home deaths whicjh make up 50% ...so halve the numbers and you will see it's a lot lower than Benelux and FrUK |
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The care home deaths are tragic and a f up everywhere, but they have little to do with locking down or not. Sweden banned all visitors to nursing homes some time ago and still got a big outbreak just like countries who did lock down.
It's probably smarter to deduct all care home deaths everywhere when comparing the relative success of different approaches as they are not really a result of any particular approach. And in Sweden's case you always have to bear in mind that they didn't lock down and people have much more freedom with economic activity ongoing, as well as all the differences they had in their society before the virus. |
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Sweden health care system is tip top too they tell me as they invest a lot of tax into that system ....so ability to cope was always easier for them
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Hospital beds per 1000 people...
Sweden 2.22 UK 2.54 Japan 13.05 |
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inside trader , that is what i expected ...Sweden one of the highest in Europe (weighted)
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Japan impressive ...why so many beds there ? fish poisoning ?
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you must understand with beds is that you will only have the level a hospital requires for its population so super healthy countries will have a much lower bed level than sickly rich nations such as Scotland for example
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Weighted?
No that is per 1000 people. Germany is 8. |
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or should have * otherwise you WILL have problems
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Insider...you misunderstand
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health weighted
so whats with all the beds in Japan ? |
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there's 126 million people in Japan, frequent natural disasters
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_hospital_beds
plenty in Russia and the czhzeczkz republic ,not many in Iceland ... not really telling us much at all really |
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yes darren ,possible theory
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countries such as Iceland ,Denmark and Sweden tend to be the healthiest on earth unless i've been fed bullsh1t
 ...and they have a low bed rate |
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i've got beds in my house and i'm never ill
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"countries such as Iceland ,Denmark and Sweden tend to be the healthiest on earth unless i've been fed bullsh1t Grin ...and they have a low bed rate"
They have a seafood diet rather than a see food diet |
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Fairer skin..pardon?!
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_per_capita
looking at the most recent 2016 , Switzerland probably gets the gold medal as you'd expect form such a rich country ... Nordics coming up on the rails yes true clydebank |
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https://obesity.procon.org/global-obesity-levels/
Going off on a tangent here but there are 3 body types, pacific islanders have endomorphic bodies, so they are bigger boned and heavier naturally, why they are so good at rugby. So it's a little unfair. |
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Also worth noting how low obesity is in Japan, China and South Korea. That will be a contributing factor in the muber of deaths. As it will in the UK, the 2nd fattest country in Europe.
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Who is number 1?
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Turkey, though there COVID-19 figures will be a sham.
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Actually we are the third highest. Didn't spot Malta in the list
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Malta a small sample though ... i'm still going with UK
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i guess we're closer to USA rather than European ..certainly at meal times
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Only 2 new deaths today for Sweden. Good news. Worth noting that they usually post low numbers on a Sunday and that Norway post single figures nearly every day, but still. A lot more encouraging. Hope it marks a downward trend.
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Death in Sweden peaked on 15th April when you look at the real data from their government of when the deaths actual happened as to opposed to when they were reported on worldometer etc.
How does Neil Ferguson and his mates explain this? Antal avlidna per dag (deceased per day) 11/03/2020 1 12/03/2020 0 13/03/2020 1 14/03/2020 1 15/03/2020 2 16/03/2020 2 17/03/2020 1 18/03/2020 6 19/03/2020 7 20/03/2020 9 21/03/2020 8 22/03/2020 12 23/03/2020 11 24/03/2020 20 25/03/2020 23 26/03/2020 31 27/03/2020 32 28/03/2020 35 29/03/2020 39 30/03/2020 43 31/03/2020 47 01/04/2020 53 02/04/2020 69 03/04/2020 78 04/04/2020 72 05/04/2020 86 06/04/2020 91 07/04/2020 83 08/04/2020 110 09/04/2020 84 10/04/2020 89 11/04/2020 100 12/04/2020 97 13/04/2020 84 14/04/2020 90 15/04/2020 109 16/04/2020 108 17/04/2020 74 18/04/2020 74 19/04/2020 77 20/04/2020 72 21/04/2020 48 22/04/2020 51 23/04/2020 47 24/04/2020 30 25/04/2020 21 26/04/2020 23 27/04/2020 2 Uppgift saknas (unknown date) 21 Would be great if Angoose could chart this as will take weeks for mods to allow me to. https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/bekraftade-fall-i-sverige/ |
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Åldersgrupp Total Number of deceased
Ålder_0_9 0 Ålder_10_19 0 Ålder_20_29 5 Ålder_30_39 8 Ålder_40_49 25 Ålder_50_59 78 Ålder_60_69 180 Ålder_70_79 526 Ålder_80_89 906 Ålder_90_plus 546 13 deaths under 40. |
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even whack job no2 a.k.a don trump is spinning against sweden....
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Swedens numbers of deaths per day have just dropped off since April 8th
11/03/2020 1 12/03/2020 0 13/03/2020 1 14/03/2020 1 15/03/2020 2 16/03/2020 2 17/03/2020 1 18/03/2020 6 19/03/2020 7 20/03/2020 9 21/03/2020 8 22/03/2020 12 23/03/2020 11 24/03/2020 21 25/03/2020 22 26/03/2020 31 27/03/2020 32 28/03/2020 35 29/03/2020 38 30/03/2020 44 31/03/2020 49 01/04/2020 53 02/04/2020 70 03/04/2020 78 04/04/2020 73 05/04/2020 86 06/04/2020 90 07/04/2020 84 08/04/2020 114 09/04/2020 86 10/04/2020 90 11/04/2020 101 12/04/2020 98 13/04/2020 85 14/04/2020 91 15/04/2020 112 16/04/2020 109 17/04/2020 79 18/04/2020 87 19/04/2020 87 20/04/2020 83 21/04/2020 63 22/04/2020 71 23/04/2020 76 24/04/2020 76 25/04/2020 56 26/04/2020 60 27/04/2020 54 28/04/2020 42 29/04/2020 41 30/04/2020 23 01/05/2020 11 02/05/2020 5 03/05/2020 3 |
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Have a look at their real charts.
They have done incredibly well: https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/09f821667ce64bf7be6f9f87457ed9aa That is why WHO are praising their approach of no lock down. |
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I think it is a little too early to call and also Sweden is a very different country to those of Western Europe and New York
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Their figures for the last few days are much better, and do give a degree cause for optimism. However, when you look at Norway's stats of only 10 new deaths in the last 7 days. They appear to be doing much better. Albeit they have a smaller population, and we don't yet know how much danage is being done to their economy. As is the case with all countries, we won't really know for some time yet whether Sweden have chosen the best course.
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How many flights were there from China to Scandanavia in January and February?
How many people per square mile? Do Scandanavians was their hands after going to the toilet? Why is the incidence of covid less in Scandinavia? No eye deer! |