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Have Sweden flattened the curve without trashing the economy?
Have Sweden flattened the curve without trashing the economy?
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They haven't flattened the curve they have spiked it
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Angoose
08 May 20 19:36 Joined: 18 Jul 02 | Topic/replies: 16,084 | Blogger: Angoose's blog Ok, but they are being left in care homes to infect others when Nightingales are being decommissioned ^ Nightingales a complete waste of time. They can deal with Covid and only covid. got another condition as well (over 90% of today's reported deaths in the UK) then Nightingales have no equipment/staff for it. Hancock himself admitted this when he said why Excel was not being kept just for Covid patients. |
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----you-have-to-laugh---
08 May 20 19:45 Joined: 06 Jul 10 | Topic/replies: 7,904 | Blogger: ----you-have-to-laugh---'s blog They haven't flattened the curve they have spiked it ^ What curve are you looking at? |
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Sweden’s average deaths per million is 9000.
Their current covid related deaths per million is 298 (Surely an estimate). https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ |
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314 per worldometers
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Buy you agree about the 9k per million? Similar to the uk.
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Which curve do you think I am looking at?
The only flattening they have done is via domestic restrictions and voluntary restrictions over and above requirement by their citizens Had they locked down the curve would be flatter under any modelling you care to magic up. Norway is expected to have trashed their economy less than sweden despite locking down and not sacrificing the lives of its citizens Indeed Norway is beginning to lift its restrictions |
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Apparently Swedish care homes are like ours and Italy's; scores of residents in most if them. In Norway they typically are small buildings with 5 or 6 residents.
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Its all to do with reporting.
Countries like Belgium, UK and Sweden over report and report outside hospitals. Other countries just report in hospitals but also over report by including all deaths where someone also tested positive for the virus as a Covid-19 death regards if they had any symptoms or Covid-19. As a rule if you die of a heart attack but happen to be positive for the virus you will be counted as a Covid death. |
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You can't hide excess deaths, gdp and what lockdown you have.
You can make excuses for mass slaughter of citizens |
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If no lockdown was as dumb as it is said to be surely Sweden's death rate would be miles ahead of Italy's, never mind Norway's.
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This data set for the UK is significant.
We are now consistently seeing more new cases reported from tier 2 tests than tier 1. i.e. more front line workers are testing positive than members of the general population Put the general population back to work, and what will you get ?  |
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don't think that Italy can be compared to Sweden as readily as Norway.
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Why?
Italy was hit first and virus grew unchecked. You would expect Italy and Spain to be worst. Others really should be improving upon those |
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The UK has a covid related death rate of 460 per million (estimated).
That’s obviously a 0.046 death rate. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ Enjoy the warmth tomorrow. Cold next week... |
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Angoose
08 May 20 20:06 Joined: 18 Jul 02 | Topic/replies: 16,087 | Blogger: Angoose's blog This data set for the UK is significant. We are now consistently seeing more new cases reported from tier 2 tests than tier 1. i.e. more front line workers are testing positive than members of the general population Put the general population back to work, and what will you get ? ^ We were not testing anything but blue early on. Does not mean that there were not cases!!! Case numbers meaningless. Only numbers that count are deaths of people that died due to Covid19. |
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Any comparisons by the "experts" are fraught with danger, never minds us armchair amateurs.
There are so many variables involved, no individual can possibly provide the answers. |
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Italy's demographic profile completely different to Sweden. Norway and Denmark are far more similar.
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I'm not sure why government are not showing a graph of daily hospital admissions due to corona.
That would be a snapshot more recent than the death graphs New cases is meaningless because of lack in early testing and lies as to volume of tests. Plot new cases v actual people tested in may, might be worthy too. |
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Case numbers are not "meaningless", their interpretation certainly requires to be caveated, that's not the same as meaningless.
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The most incredible stats are the many countries reporting very,very few deaths at all. For a pandemic, this one is barely touching many nations.
There’s clearly no uniformity in how deaths are being defined. |
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tobermory
08 May 20 20:05 Joined: 01 Mar 08 | Topic/replies: 49,453 | Blogger: tobermory's blog If no lockdown was as dumb as it is said to be surely Sweden's death rate would be miles ahead of Italy's, never mind Norway's. ^ Correct. The 'lockdowners' most be distressed that Sweden does not have people dying on the streets. No that is not fair. Grim thing to write. But you know what I mean? Ferguson almost smirked in an interview a couple of weeks back suggesting Sweden was in trouble for not following his advise. The fact is given all the predictions and 'science' Sweden should have more deaths and should not have been able to flatten the curve as fast (or faster) than any other country. Once the virus is out widespread in the community lockdown or no lockdown will not save a country from a tiny proportion of the population sadly dying. |
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Most scientists seemed to dismiss the notion that warm weather kills or diminishds the virus. But we are still waiting for the devastation to be visited upon India and Africa. That was a no brainer prediction from most of them in March.
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Yes angoose, sorry
You can certainly glean data from them from May onwards If you are given actual number of tests. But they are self selecting and still influenced by tory central office begging tories to fill the vacant capacity they couldn't allocate to nhs workers |
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It didn't hit the cold parts of India or the hot parts... Yet
South Africa followed our path early on then locked down before us With amazing results |
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If Sweden have flattened the curve, then Norway have not had a curve at all really. And who's to say that their economy will fare worse than Sweden's anyway?
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Here is the daily number of positive tests reported since April 30 along with a percentage of that number expressed against the number of people reported as having been tested.
There will be holes to be picked in these figures dut to various lags and fudging, but this is the best that is in the public domain. In total, 574,275 were reported as having been tested, providing 46,143 positive tests or 8%. Remember, this is against a population reporting symptoms.  |
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We’ve all doubted China’s stats but they’re one of many announcing a low death rate.
Deaths. Pop. Deaths per million China 4,637 1,392.73 3.3 Japan 577 126.53 4.56 Australia 97 24.99 3.88 Greece 148 10.73 13.8 Full list here: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ |
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Sorry but there’s no way South Africa can lockdown to any great degree. The townships are rammed....
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If no lockdown was as dumb as it is said to be surely Sweden's death rate would be miles ahead of Italy's, never mind Norway's.
^ Correct. The 'lockdowners' most be distressed that Sweden does not have people dying on the streets. Reductio ad absurdum is a legitimate form of argument, but it only takes you so far. |
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Anyway, I hope Sweden comes out of it well in the end.
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We all do.
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Des Pond
08 May 20 20:21 Joined: 19 Aug 06 | Topic/replies: 14,313 | Blogger: Des Pond's blog If Sweden have flattened the curve, then Norway have not had a curve at all really. And who's to say that their economy will fare worse than Sweden's anyway? ^ Norway have a sovereign wealth fund from oil for their under 5m population. They will be fine. |
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----you-have-to-laugh---
08 May 20 20:19 Joined: 06 Jul 10 | Topic/replies: 7,910 | Blogger: ----you-have-to-laugh---'s blog It didn't hit the cold parts of India or the hot parts... Yet South Africa followed our path early on then locked down before us With amazing results ^ How many times do we have to say South Africa (all of Africa) have very small percentage over 65 which is where over 80% of the deaths occur. Very high percentage are kids which is where virtually no deaths occur. |
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Injera
08 May 20 20:25 Joined: 04 Jan 03 | Topic/replies: 17,507 | Blogger: Injera's blog We’ve all doubted China’s stats but they’re one of many announcing a low death rate. Deaths. Pop. Deaths per million China 4,637 1,392.73 3.3 Japan 577 126.53 4.56 Australia 97 24.99 3.88 Greece 148 10.73 13.8 Full list here: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/ ^ Australia in lockdown with 10-20 new cases daily. If UK or USA waits to below that level to open up we will be waiting for a long time. |
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australia soon to end lock down? perhaps we should have locked down earlier?
with hindsight you are picking sweden as a model to follow, imo that is pretty bizarre when so many countries have obviously done so much better than sweden. you dont know how many are infected, how strong immunity is or how long it lasts. |
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It’s the Dancing Queen connection
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The title of the thread is...
Have Sweden flattened the curve without trashing the economy? If you want to do one... Have The Czech Republic flatten the curve without trashing the economy? or South Korea or whatever go for it. |
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so you are admitting that the czechs and south koreans have done better than sweden, thank you
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Has anyone performed a study on the natural immunity gained from a diet of meatballs
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