Damn germans with their different class health treatments and lack of deaths..just wait till we leave we leave the Eu with that extra 350 million a week that'll show em..

Thank you for that, edy.

My only experience of West German healthcare came in 1982. The headmaster of the school in which I was teaching virtually gave himself a heart attack when he realized he'd been employing me for several months without my having been tested for TB. Being British, I just flippantly asked him whether he thought I looked like someone with tuberculosis, at which point he went into meltdown. I had to go home immediately and make an appointment to get tested and receive the necessary certificates.

Very interesting point about the lack of post-mortem procedures in Germany. I wondered this when Andrew Neil said he'd looked at it and concluded Germany's criteria for whether a death should be counted as one due to the Chinese virus were the same as everyone else's. the criteria might be the same, but the investigations for determining whether a case fits the criteria evidently are not.

Thanks again.

the people of HK would probably agree with that sentiment

'Yet when Italy pleaded for fellow countries to send it medical equipment such as masks, France and Germany not only failed to respond, they placed export bans (since lifted) on the export of the kit Italian hospitals were crying out for'. FFS. Just have a go at the UK then gigg.

Yes it's unreal saddo.

"Pangolins are in high demand for Chinese traditional medicine in southern China and Vietnam because their scales are believed to have medicinal properties. Their meat is also considered a delicacy.[39][40][41][42] 100,000 are estimated to be trafficked a year to China and Vietnam,[43] amounting
to over one million over the past decade.[44][45] This makes it the most trafficked animal in the world."

Yet ... strangely ..
"All pangolin species are currently listed under Appendix I of CITES which prohibits international trade, except when the product is intended for non-commercial purposes and a permit has been granted"
...
"Pangolins are threatened by poaching (for their meat and scales, which are used in Chinese traditional medicine for a variety of ailments including excessive anxiety and hysterical crying in children, women thought to be possessed by devils and ogres, malarial fever, and deafness[4])"

Yet these people are apparently capable of making mobile phones?? FFS...

"Tiger looks virile, me want be virile, me eat tiger penis, woops tiger extinct" etc...

Makes me *****ing angry it really does as I'm an animal lover. It's so backwards it makes the medieval doctor seem like Bones from Star Trek, and they are doing it in 2020.

If our governments don't act!!!!   well they won't will they  - they know where the money is

and I will say this  - I am looking to go the same way

who is for frozen tiger paws?

Yet these people are apparently capable of making mobile phones?? FFS...

I think it's more a case of assembling mobile phones rather than making them.

Aren't the processors all designed in Cambridgeshire? And China has no semi-conductor industry to speak of, so all the silicon chips are imported. I read somewhere that 83% of all transistors used in Chinese manufacturing are imported. Presumably the 17% they make themselves are the ones used in the virus testing kits which give 80% false positives.

I had two lots of 'fresh'  ginger marked china  in sealed  up - went straight in the bin when I saw it

china will have to pay

I do not buy stuff from China (or associate of China) on 'ebay' or Amazon in the UK. I think the rest of the world will do well to recognise their ever growing supremacy economically, and erosion of democracy within. And, their subtle buying up of chunks of commodities in Africa is to ensure economic supremacy can be maintained; Africa is too poor, corrupt and needy to refuse.

I believe China with their world economic power will totally dominate once they possess the abilities and intellectual properties of USA, Japan, S Korea, Germany, France and UK.

China has approved the use of bear bile to treat critically ill coronavirus patients.

The National Health Commission has recommended the use of Tan Re Qing - an injection that contains bear bile, goat horn and herbs - to treat patients with Covid-19.

But there is no evidence the mixture has any medicinal value.

Bear bile, which is produced in the liver and stored in the gall bladder, has been used in traditional Chinese medicine for hundreds of years and fetches a high price in the illegal international market.

From the BBC news site.

So we can look forward to thousands more bears caged for life in China (thousands already are).

So they want to kill all the animals as well as the humans.

Have they medically proved that any of this Chinese medicication does what they think it does?

Yes the bear bile thing is shocking. If you hate it there is a charity called Animals Asia that tries to stop that.
Oh and the dog eating festival was not long ago, where they boil dogs alive, and pet dogs are stolen in large numbers for food.

More I think about it ... there are an awful LOT of things to be said about China. Still it's a Communist Utopia..

If the Bear Bile has adverse reaction Plenty of Incinerators for the Victims to be Lobbed into ..