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Ok, I was just curious.
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porky supports the book people and now the chinese government - incredible scenes ho ho
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moysey, your efforts to continually miss the point are without equal.
Where am I supporting the chinese exactly? Read what I said and maybe turn that switch on the side of your head to the ON position. Anyhoo, how about while you've got it on you tell us what you think of our response. Let's keep it simple. Here we are, in a week where we are certain to see thousands of deaths and the US looks like becoming the biggest hotspot of all and we are allowing flights from New York to come in without a single solitary check on any of the passengers. Do you support this policy? |
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just chucked two lots of filth from china in the bin GINGER for my stir fry
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the book readers in good spirits out partying last night
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-derbyshire-52084653 those areas are going to take a massive hit ,feel sorry for the nurses at Leicester,Blackburn, Bradford, Wolverhampton and Derby in the forthcoming days ![]() |
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Comments suggest they were Polish, Coach. There's pork on them tables.
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Derbyshire Police found a group near Snake Pass enjoying a picnic and shisha
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I'm sure you can blame it on some muslims of you trawl hard enough
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The shisha boys ( from different cities) aint Polish. Both groups show no regard for anyone bar themselves.
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saddo ... ahh saw Normanton area and put two and two together
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although more and more eat euros in that part now too ...won't end well
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Derbyshire Police found a group near Snake Pass enjoying a picnic and shisha
_________________ on a day out from IPSWICH and other nearer towns fooken 200 miles away ...doesn't sound right |
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plenty of Eastern Europeans in the traditional Asian areas ...street fights common |
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PorcupineorPineapple: Bojo is going on This Morning saying how we should just let the virus run riot
Boris Johnson went on This Morning to say that that is precisely what we should NOT do, you supercilious git. You should really go and live in a Communist country. You would walk straight into the ruling class. They'd love you and your whole attitude. |
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Well it’s a very, very important question, and that’s where a lot of the debate has been and one of the theories is, that perhaps you could take it on the chin, take it all in one go and allow the disease, as it were, to move through the population, without taking as many draconian measures. I think we need to strike a balance, I think it is very important, we’ve got a fantastic NHS, we will give them all the support that they need, we will make sure that they have all preparations, all the kit that they need for us to get through it. But I think it would be better if we take all the measures that we can now to stop the peak of the disease being as difficult for the NHS as it might be, I think there are things that we may be able to do.
https://fullfact.org/health/boris-johnson-coronavirus-this-morning/ |
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Boris Derangement Syndrome is rampant on these forums.
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It's the admiration for the Chinese Communist Party which really gets me: the most murderous regime in history. I suppose it's the idea of a society where those born to privilege get to rule which is so attractive. None of these messy elections, where the population goes and chooses what and who it wants.
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we’ve got a fantastic NHS, we will give them all the support that they need, we will make sure that they have all preparations, all the kit that they need for us to get through it.
Great. He might have said that. But none of it is true. I go back tomorrow after near 14 days self-isolation. None of us have been tested, none of us have any equipment bar a flimsy pair of gloves and a tiny plastic apron each, and a mask if you want it. We're asking patients to ring ahead and warn us if they have any symptoms. Brilliant. He might said he'll give the NHS all the support they need but he doesn't do anything. |
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the tiptoeing around China is nauseating, has been going on for a good few years now, and this crisis has exposed it.
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It was a promise he shouldn't have made, Darlo. From the article in the opening post:
China also contributed to the shortage of personal protective equipment (PPE) desperately needed by Britain's doctors, nurses and other health professionals. At the height of the epidemic in Wuhan and surrounding Hubei province, Chinese leaders commandeered vast amounts of PPE, made in factories across China and destined for export. UK safety equipment firm JSP had its two factories in China 'requisitioned by the government to make disposable RPE [respiratory protection equipment] for Chinese government agencies, according to a letter its chief executive Mark Johnstone sent to customers on February 3. In addition, Chinese state-backed operatives working abroad were directed to bulk-buy medical supplies from Western countries. Overseas offices of Greenland Group, a property firm backed by the Chinese government, bought three million masks, 700,000 hazmat suits and 500,000 pairs of gloves as it 'felt compelled… to assist in efforts to mitigate the spread of the virus, which had caused a shortage of crucial medical supplies in China,' according to a company newsletter seen by the Sydney Morning Herald. The Chinese Communist Party has since sold hundreds of thousands of masks to France and the Netherlands, which have had to be dumped when they turned out to be faulty. They also donated Chinese virus testing kits to Turkey, the Czech Republic and Spain, all of whom found they gave the wrong result three quarters of the time. |
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PorcupineorPineapple29 Mar 20 17:01Joined: 03 Dec 15 | Topic/replies: 9,272 | Blogger: PorcupineorPineapple's blog Certain websites clearly trying to lay this at the door of China. |
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Coronavirus: Netherlands recalls 'defective' masks bought from China
Hundreds of thousands of masks sent to Dutch hospitals have been recalled after tests showed they failed to protect the face or had defective filters. The Netherlands recently bought 1.3 million masks from China. https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-netherlands-recalls-defective-masks-bought-from-china/a-52949216 |
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Looks like someone has been swallowing the propaganda at least.
I've read back a bit, just curious but who are the admirers of the Chinese CP. Has anyone on here applauded their actions? Maybe I missed it. |
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The Germans haven't covered themselves in glory either. They've done s0d all to help the Italians or anyone else in their little euro club (are we surprised after the way they've treated the Greeks?), in fact they've been downright self-serving, to the point where their infection and death rates (especially) are way below the Italians, Spanish, French and of course the Brits.
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Didn't the Germans actually take a load of Italian patients into their hospitals just last week?
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Yep flew them over,different gravy.
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Andrew Neill tried to call out their low death rates a few days ago. He actually investigated and discovered the figures are genuine and simply based on the fact that they're doing a good job of mass testing, contact tracing and hospitalising patients early to get at the virus before it takes a real grip.
Would be nice if our government were to heed those lessons. |
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Yep, long after the damage was done (to the Italians) and only after extreme measures/hording of resources had been put in place for the Motherland.
bit like China now "coming to the rescue" of the world building ventilators etc that should score some "social credit" with the muggy lapdog libtard media here, eh ? ![]() |
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It's called sovereignty plats.
While some people bought the Farage lie that our hands were tied within the EU, a lot of us knew that was bull. That has simply been borne out in Technicolor as individual countries have gone on to prove they had full control over their borders, spending, policy decisions etc. Still, at least we've got those passports gathering dust eh. |
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who would have thought the arrogant defender of the book people would back the chinese government and military in their ativities
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activities even
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Germany has the advantage of not having nationalized hospitals and a nationalized health service.
You pay for either general health insurance, or personalized health insurance where your premiums depend on your own circumstances, lifestyle and state of health. The latter entitles you to superior forms of treatment and, most importantly, jumping the queue. So, a fat German at risk from succumbing to a lethal virus, for instance, might choose to spend money on the more expensive private Krankenversicherung, be guaranteed fast and effective treatment, and so keep the number of current deaths down. |
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Talking of the EU, this crisis and its long aftermath will bring its demise closer. You can take that to the Bundesbank
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How did this thread about China turn into Platini talking about something he knows zip about?
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https://twitter.com/EmmanuelMacron/status/1241990389311197186
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So, a fat German at risk from succumbing to a lethal virus, for instance, might choose to spend money on the more expensive private Krankenversicherung, be guaranteed fast and effective treatment, and so keep the number of current deaths down.
__________________ his survival chances are down to his own good health to start with ...no health system would help with that , don't USA have a similar system ?. Germany were ahead of the testing and i think they have a slightly naturally healthier population than Italy and UK ,they're bound to have ...Iceland still has the best model , random testing |
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American system is completely different.
Is Germany's health care system a model for the U.S.? ... Germany has what's called a universal multi-payer health care system. It encompasses both statutory health insurance for people who earn less than a certain salary, as well as private health insurance for those who earn more and choose to purchase their own. Employers and their employees pay for most of the health care system in Germany through premiums. All workers contribute about 7.5 percent of their salary into a public health insurance pool. Employers match that 7.5 percent contribution. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/germany-s-health-care-system-model-u-s-n1024491 This is the problem. Whenever it's suggested that the UK's Nationalized Health Service, with its nationalized hospitals, needs scrapping, everyone yells, "You want us to be like America! Trumpist! Racist! etc. I don't. I want us to be like Germany, or any other EU country which wouldn't dream of nationalizing healthcare in a million years. |
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While right that there is somewhat of a 2-class medical care in Germany that will often see doctors give preferential appointments to those privately insured, I don't think it's that big, or any, advantage in this particular case. Someone will get the needed and best treatment whatever the case (depending on how stretched capacities are, the privately insured without a need for an ICU bed might get a room in which he is alone though (depending on what his insurance covers), compared to the person with public insurance that gets a room with two other patients (can pay if he wants fewer))
I posted some of the reasons that are wildly speculated to play a role in Germany's comparatively low death rate the other day on another thread (expanded and edited a bit for this post) 1. We test a lot, one of the highest test per capita rates. Germany also tests everyone who shows even mild symptons, not just hospitalised folks like some countries do (i.e we count cases that are less severe to begin with while others will only count those that are more severe to start and will hence have a worse chance of survival). With the broader testing base, also came a better isolation of those infected and hence a (slightly) better protection of the especially vulnerable. 2. Even though we test more than others overall, last I checked, we don't test post mortem (unlike Italy and I think the UK too). So the terminally ill person whose life was reduced possibly ever so slightly in Bergamo will be tested in Italy even after his death as far as I know, and then counted as a death in relation to covid-19 if the test is positive. The same does not necessarily apply to Germany. 3. The average age of those tested positive in Germany, as of right now, is far far lower than it is in Italy. It is 63 in Italy, 47 in Germany. That is a massive, massive difference for a virus that generally becomes more dangerous the older someone is. In Germany, the virus was really initially spread a lot among and by ski ressort holiday goers (i.e middle agers). Germans are also less social than Italians, especially Northern Germans kind of do social distancing as a habit, and also tend to not live multi-generational in the same house/flat (i.e less of a chance of spreading from mild/no sympton young person to grandparents/elderly people in general) 4. This obviously isn't true for all parts of Germany, but air is generally cleaner than it is in northern Italy, which has some of the worst pollution in all of Europe. Better air quality will likely contribute to less severe respiratory illnesses. 5. Germany has far better capacities regarding ventilators and beds in ICUs. I think Germany has the highest per capita of ICU beds in Europe. |