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21 Mar 20
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Has anyone considered to be in top top health died from the Coronavirus or is the virus finishing off those unfortunate enough to be on their last legs?
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The BBC have AT LAST shown some perspective.
‘ Would these people be dying anyway? The figures for coronavirus are eye-watering. But what is not clear - because the modellers did not map this - is to what extent the deaths would have happened without coronavirus. Given that the old and frail are the most vulnerable, would these people be dying anyway? Every year more than 500,000 people die in England and Wales: factor in Scotland and Northern Ireland, and the figure tops 600,000.’ The coronavirus deaths will not be on top of this. Many would be within this "normal" number of expected deaths. In short, they would have died anyway. It was a point conceded by Sir Patrick at a press conference on Thursday when he said there would be "some overlap" between coronavirus deaths and expected deaths - he just did not know how much of an overlap. Coronavirus: Have UK experts over-egged deaths? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51979654 |
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Not everyone clicks on the link so I’ll paste this as well. Let it sink In.
The testing which has been done in many countries means we know when a patient dies with the virus inside their body. What it does not tell us is to what extent coronavirus contributed to the death. Unbelievable that it takes this long for these questions to be asked. |
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Define healthy.
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this should be good
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I suppose what we need is data showing total deaths from anything (per month, per week or whatever and comparing it to previous years over the same time period. If we say normally 1500 people die every day in the UK an extra 50 a day doesn't look much. But Italy has a similar size population to us and yesterday 600+ died so it's starting to look very significant. Looks like we'll know more here in about 2 weeks.
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more people are dying of something. that will be the virus.
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A_T - most of the data is already there. It hasn’t been shared to give any sort of perspective.
The experts don’t know how many people would ‘be dying anyway’ as the article asks. To blindly inform us the virus is the sole cause of death is irresponsible beyond belief. |
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it doesn't matter if the virus is the sole cause of death, or partial cause of death
if you,re dead. |
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Quite. But it does matter when it comes to the Government response and economic meltdown.
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You need to see records of how many die at particular times of year around the world and then cross reference it with the recorded and documented causes. Anything else is just speculation.
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Injera
What I mean is we need to know how many people usually die say in March and April. If the number this year is significantly more than previous years then we know the virus a real problem - it it's not then we might wonder what all the fuss was about. |
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LIES, DAMN LIES & STATISTICS
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There is no reason that there should be economic meltdown if people follow government guidelines
look at it this way, many people are going to be better off not worse off.if you don't go on holiday , don't go out socialising, don't go shopping that's money in your pocket. you can spend it in 6 months or a years time if you wish. |
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Its quite clear that more people have died in Italy at this time of year than normal
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A_T - I’ve posted this before. It’s about excess winter mortality. Some years it can be 50k higher....It’s this sort of data that the media have ignored in their coverage.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/excesswintermortalityinenglandandwales/2017to2018provisionaland2016to2017final the 2017 to 2018 winter period, there were an estimated 50,100 excess winter deaths in England and Wales. The number of excess winter deaths in 2017 to 2018 was the highest recorded since winter 1975 to 1976. |
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From the Link:
The number of excess winter deaths in England and Wales in 2017 to 2018 was the highest recorded since the winter of 1975 to 1976. However, peaks like these are not unusual – we have seen more than eight peaks during the last 40 years. It is likely that last winter’s increase was due to the predominant strain of flu, the effectiveness of the influenza vaccine and below-average winter temperatures”. Nick Stripe, Health Analysis and Life Events, Office for National Statistics |
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To sum up it is a very similar scenario as the climate change hoax
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That's over the course of a long winter. We are not in winter
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Not winter? There speaks a man who doesn’t work outside!
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Injera
Thanks for the link. Looking at the data we can probably say if the total deaths for March this year exceed 2000 then we can probably worry. If it's still hovvering around 1600-1700 then maybe not? |
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The greatest numbers of deaths are in London, its not winter.
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The young Chinese doctor who brought the attention of Covid-19 to the world and unfortunately died was a healthy medic prior. Thus, I firmly believe Covid-19 can kill any young person without any associated life-threatening disease, but less likely if not continuosly exposed to it.
As for the being of one's economic and financial position just cut the cloth to suit given the constraints and climate we are presently in. Good sense and management required for every one, it's simple. |
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Well it was 1 degree earlier today here so i hope to fcuk it aint summer
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8 degrees in london
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this is what i was thinking , say you had elderly in hospital , with pneumonia for example , prognosis isnt good, contract coronovirus which is the catalyst to their demise, does coronvirus become cause of death ? are ill people just dying more quickly ?
also if thats case do we see decline in deaths by other means eg pneumonia, heart disease . |
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Covid-19 will contribute/assist the earlier death of a person, but will not prevent one from dying. I think it's what one needs to know. It's akin to smoking can cause cancer and premature deaths, but smoking will not prolong a life.
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I started coughing on Wednesday, same on Thursday.
Woke up Friday with a sharp headache. Had to go to bed for a couple of hours yesterday afternoon. Bed at 8 pm last night, got up this morning at 9.15. The headache is the worst for me, the tiredness doesn't matter because I just go to sleep. My throat is a tad sore this morning and I'm sweating. The missus just got up and she doesn't seem too bad Rest of the family all went down with it around the same time, there's a nurse in the family and she's got it as well. I appreciate that it affects people differently, but so far this virus is a paper tiger as far as we're concerned. |
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Define healthy.
That's someone who doesn't suffer from a chronic illness. |
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hope you and family have a swift recovery crippen. Thanks for info.
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Thanks MALAY.
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keep smiling dr ive had similar this week but milder and no seats,
question is if you feel ok for a week or so and similar symptons come back was , the 1st bout possible corona 2nd bout corona neither, if 1000,s have it with very mild symptons no tests,and get so called normal flu a few weeks later,very hard for someone like dr Hillary to keep saying you can only get it once, without the testing and test that's says you,ve had it in past and got better,its all whistling in the dark |
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sweats
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Good luck Dr C. Be good for your sake to know whether you have it or not. Just read Linda Lusardi and her husband (61+51 both look healthy) are both in hospital and still don't know whether they have it or not!
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GWS Dr.
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Doctor, I hope it goes away just as quick as it appears. I hope it's not corona. Good luck.
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Crippen should stay off bf forums until he's 2 years free of symptoms
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If there is a nurse in the family and she's got it, surely she has been tested already?
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Lol everyone of forum thiks they have the virus and its nothing but flu,i've been ill for two weeks far worse symptoms but still unlikely to be the virus,sweating aching all over,banging headaches but no fever or cough..Would be deadly if i got that virus now on top you can guarantee it..
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ffs my heads banging,tested when,for what
the only way a test is relevant is if after you've done test you self isolate 100% till result comes in,and even then it only proves you were either negative or positive at the time of test,you could have been positive and recovered by the time test result comes,or negative and caught it in between test and results, even after been locked in a steralised room since test ,result says posityive you go out into the world you can catch it within a minute and as you've had a test you think your clear, people whove got a negative test and carrying regardless could be the biggest carriers out there if they get it with little or no symptons after testing negative |