Does Coronavirus kill healthy people?

You need to see records of how many die at particular times of year around the world and then cross reference it with the recorded and documented causes. Anything else is just speculation.

Injera

What I mean is we need to know how many people usually die say in March and April. If the number this year is significantly more than previous years then we know the virus a real problem - it it's not then we might wonder what all the fuss was about.

LIES, DAMN LIES & STATISTICS

There is no reason that there should be economic meltdown if people follow government guidelines
look at it this way, many people are going to be better off not worse off.if you don't go on holiday , don't go out socialising, don't go shopping
that's money in your pocket.
you can spend it in 6 months or a years time if you wish.

Its quite clear that more people have died in Italy at this time of year than normal

A_T - I’ve posted this before. It’s about excess winter mortality. Some years it can be 50k higher....It’s this sort of data that the media have ignored in their coverage.


https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/excesswintermortalityinenglandandwales/2017to2018provisionaland2016to2017final

the 2017 to 2018 winter period, there were an estimated 50,100 excess winter deaths in England and Wales.
The number of excess winter deaths in 2017 to 2018 was the highest recorded since winter 1975 to 1976.

From the Link:

The number of excess winter deaths in England and Wales in 2017 to 2018 was the highest recorded since the winter of 1975 to 1976. However, peaks like these are not unusual – we have seen more than eight peaks during the last 40 years. It is likely that last winter’s increase was due to the predominant strain of flu, the effectiveness of the influenza vaccine and below-average winter temperatures”.

Nick Stripe, Health Analysis and Life Events, Office for National Statistics

To sum up it is a very similar scenario as the climate change hoax

That's over the course of a long winter. We are not in winter

Not winter? There speaks a man who doesn’t work outside!

Injera

Thanks for the link. Looking at the data we can probably say if the total deaths for March this year exceed 2000 then we can probably worry. If it's still hovvering around 1600-1700 then maybe not?

The greatest numbers of deaths are in London, its not winter.

The young Chinese doctor who brought the attention of Covid-19 to the world and unfortunately died was a healthy medic prior. Thus, I firmly believe Covid-19 can kill any young person without any associated life-threatening disease, but less likely if not continuosly exposed to it.

As for the being of one's economic and financial position just cut the cloth to suit given the constraints and climate we are presently in. Good sense and management required for every one, it's simple.

Well it was 1 degree earlier today here so i hope to fcuk it aint summer

8 degrees in london

this is what i was thinking , say you had elderly in hospital , with pneumonia for example , prognosis isnt good, contract coronovirus which is the catalyst to their demise, does coronvirus become cause of death ? are ill people just dying more quickly ?
also if thats case do we see decline in deaths by other means eg pneumonia, heart disease .

Covid-19 will contribute/assist the earlier death of a person, but will not prevent one from dying. I think it's what one needs to know. It's akin to smoking can cause cancer and premature deaths, but smoking will not prolong a life.

I started coughing on Wednesday, same on Thursday.

Woke up Friday with a sharp headache.
Had to go to bed for a couple of hours yesterday afternoon.

Bed at 8 pm last night, got up this morning at 9.15.

The headache is the worst for me, the tiredness doesn't matter because I just go to sleep.

My throat is a tad sore this morning and I'm sweating.
The missus just got up and she doesn't seem too bad

Rest of the family all went down with it around the same time, there's a nurse in the family and she's got it as well.

I appreciate that it affects people differently, but so far this virus is a paper tiger as far as we're concerned.

Define healthy.

That's someone who doesn't suffer from a chronic illness.

hope you and family have a swift recovery crippen. Thanks for info.

Thanks MALAY.

keep smiling dr ive had similar this week but milder and no seats,

question is if you feel ok for a week or so and similar symptons come back was ,
the 1st bout possible corona
2nd bout corona
neither,

if 1000,s have it with very mild symptons no tests,and get so called normal flu a few weeks later,very hard for someone like dr Hillary to keep saying you can only get it once,
without the testing and test that's says you,ve had it in past and got better,its all whistling in the dark

sweats

Good luck Dr C.  Be good for your sake to know whether you have it or not.  Just read Linda Lusardi and her husband (61+51 both look healthy) are both in hospital and still don't know whether they have it or not!

GWS Dr.

Doctor, I hope it goes away just as quick as it appears. I hope it's not corona. Good luck.

Crippen should stay off bf forums until he's 2 years free of symptoms

If there is a nurse in the family and she's got it, surely she has been tested already?

Lol everyone of forum thiks they have the virus and its nothing but flu,i've been ill for two weeks far worse symptoms but still unlikely to be the virus,sweating aching all over,banging headaches but no fever or cough..Would be deadly if i got that virus now on top you can guarantee it..

ffs my heads banging,tested when,for what
the only way a test is relevant is if after you've done test you self isolate 100% till result comes in,and even then it only proves you were either negative or positive at the time of test,you could have been positive and recovered by the time test result comes,or negative and caught it in between test and results, even after been locked in a steralised room since test ,result says posityive you go out into the world you can catch it within a minute  and as you've had a test you think your clear,
people whove got a negative test and carrying regardless could be the biggest carriers out there if they get it with little or no symptons after testing negative

results says negative, sorry

People have been whipped up into a frenzy over Coronavirus,.
Most who get it soon recover without seeing a doctor or being tested.
Idris Elba who's got it started off with a headache and little else.
That doctor in the video had it for 4 days and got better.
Others are walking about with it and don't know they've got it.
If you're healthy there's not much to worry about.

ffs dr your very slow lately we,re not fooooking worried for ourselves it who we might pass it on to

un beknowns to us and them

obviously no evidence as of yet
but is a person showing no, mild symptons who has it just as likely to pass it more to as many people,as quick as someone who is showing much worse symptons and has it

it may be worse than that 1tp, one study found that the median time to start shedding (and so infecting others) is a bit lower than the median time to show symptoms, that means you are infecting others before you even know you are ill. that makes testing even harder.

dave1357 21 Mar 20 13:30 
Mar 21, 2020 -- 1:14PM, 1st time poster wrote:

ffs dr your very slow lately we,re not fooooking worried for ourselves it who we might pass it on to


You don't seem to understand that the right wing are pushing the "let the weak die" agenda.  They don't care who they pass it to.


Get the plebs into school and work infect everyone,knock off 1/2 million,thank god they were briught to account on their utter madness of herd mentality..

Hysteria driven by the media.

An example of people's stupidity are the empty shelves.

They fear the virus, yet risk catching it by going shopping in crowded supermarkets several times a week.

not a single pub,cafe,eaterie  will need as much as a chip for next months,when the panic receeds we,ll be swimming in banana,s and custard

"You don't seem to understand that the right wing are pushing the "let the weak die" agenda.  They don't care who they pass it to."

As always, totally idiotic made up rubbish.

Meanwhile, Dominic Cummings, high priest of the 20,000-word blog, can tell you everything about what the Manhattan Project taught us, but he seemingly can’t work out that if you let a “London will be imminently locked down” story go viral for 18 hours before you deny it, then people WILL physically fight over bogroll. Nurses coming off 48-hour shifts WILL cry in videos because they can’t buy anything in the shops.

"let the weak die agenda"

I'm shocked and extremely surprised someone within the UK (I assume the poster is) can come up with such trash and wild assertion unless with a personal or professional agenda. The statement is just so lacking in humanity and respect for others, and bursting with personal objective which is clear for all to see.

Clearly a vermin!

I'm 57 years old and not once have I ever seen anything like this reaction; this is uncharted territory and the only thing we can do is look back at the real pandemics of the past to get some sort of grip on the potential of this one. Judging by the reaction this doesn't look great, unless there really is some underlying motive... see the conspiracy theorists for that one.

On the back of this I have been toying with the figures and in three days, the UK has grown from 1,900+ cases to 3,900+ cases (last night), which is double. If that were to continue, which we all know it probably won't, but let's say it did, then that's the whole UK population infected by the first week in May!

We may not know anyone who has it and we may not know anyone who knows someone who has it, but should the first two or three enter our circle, then that would be the time to be a tad concerned... maybe.

On a concerned scale of 1-10, with 10 being paranoid, I would say I was currently at 2, even with underlying medical conditions.

only problem been lots of people who say they havnt got it might have it, no labels on the jar on this one

Have they told us the number of people who have been tested? (Not that it makes any difference).

Here are the cumulative reported deaths by country, counting the days from the first day that a death was reported.

The figure shown for Italy at Day 30 is the Day 29 figure, we will likely see it closer to 5,000 than 4,000 once they release todays toll.
Similar for Spain, the Day 20 figure shown is their not yet finalised Day 19 figure.

This is scary stuff, those who continue to downplay it really need to look at the evidence.

Day	Italy	UK	Spain
1	1	1	1
5	10	5	10
10	34	21	86
15	197	144	533
20	827		1,378
25	2,158
30	4,032

Indeed Angoose, what I wrote above would most certainly explain the government(s) reaction

"let the weak die agenda"
"I'm shocked and extremely surprised someone within the UK (I assume the poster is) "
It's the standard level of post from gigglio I'm afraid.

My main question is how do we have 5.6% death rate (as of last night), yet Germany is only 0.2%?

Those are reported deaths caused by covid-19. People who have tested positive.

What it doesn’t include is their pre existing health conditions that contributed to their deaths .

Indeed, perhaps we are not taking natural deaths into consideration and Germany has the actual deaths from Coronavirus spot on... or they are lying.

The numbers are far greater than that Aspro.

Most people who phone 111 or go online are not tested, and the ones who do go that far are simply told to self isolate, so they're not registered as confirmed cases.

Half the country must have been infected by now. But it's a relatively mild infection if you're healthy, because you body will soon fight it off.
Nevertheless if you have chronic underlying conditions it's a different matter, which applies to all bugs that do the rounds.

Germany may have tested more. No country knows how many people have the virus so all mortality rate percentages are meaningless.

I've never doubted that Dr C and make you 100% correct. If I caught a nasty bug and phoned 111 I am all but certain I would be told to self-isolate and if it clears up, nobody will ever know.

They can't stop the virus, only attempt to spread out the deaths until the virus has run its course.

I went to the dentist yesterday and they are now only treating emergencies, of which mine was. The two key questions were "is there pain?" and "is it keeping you awake at night?" - if it's general treatment then forget it.

Cancellation of appointments and indeed surgery will cause deaths.

its easy to get your death average  down,massage figures either way just test more, get it down further by testing in area,s with no suspected hotspots, or test only young people in hotspots etc etc

We can all be certain that the official figures are not the actual figures, because there is no way of knowing until it starts hitting the percentages. It is still only a fraction of 1% today.

find a high density populated place with few or no deaths and publish their daily deaths for things  other than this virus,
I,m not joining in any conspiracies theory,s but all stats are interesting

If this had sprung up 60 years ago or even later than that, it would have been mentioned on the news but little more.

Hong Kong flu in 1968 killed many more people, they just gave the numbers out each night.

The governments have already admitted they played down the 1917 pandemic, solely for morale.

Old folks homes always get loads of deaths during the winter, usually due to infections.

Dr Crippen 21 Mar 20 16:15 
The numbers are far greater than that Aspro.

Most people who phone 111 or go online are not tested, and the ones who do go that far are simply told to self isolate, so they're not registered as confirmed cases.

Half the country must have been infected by now. But it's a relatively mild infection if you're healthy, because you body will soon fight it off.
Nevertheless if you have chronic underlying conditions it's a different matter, which applies to all bugs that do the rounds.


Good point and something I hadn't really considered, I was diagnozed with IGA Nephropathy (same thing that killed Jonah Lomu but his kidney's had already suffered damage by the time he was diagnozed), I was lucky, a routine urine test discovered my illness and a biopsy uncovered that my kidneys had not suffered any damage.

I've been on immuno-suppressants as my immune system is rejecting my own kidneys for the more than 20 years and consequently I am more open to infection and disease than most but through all this time I have remained healthy and barely even contracted so much as a cold, in fact, my consultant tells me that I am a bit of a freak case as my kidney's have not deteriorated one bit in all that time.

I'll probably get it now I've said all that

Aspro it's no surprise judging by the hysteria that's been whipped up

And it won't make any difference to the numbers.

And it won't make any difference to the numbers.

Rather
It won't make much difference to the numbers

"Half the country must have been infected by now."
Such utter sh1te. So you've ran your own statistical model you? You know better of course.

Based on the site I've been following then the new case rate has dropped significantly today. I was expecting around 5000 cases after a 3-day double-up, but it is less than 4100... we're saved!

FFS cant count Fridays everyone no,s its POETS day

Another 800 die in Italy within a week the number of daily deaths with surpass the their national daily average.

The other concerning figure with Italy is the proportion of deaths linked to new cases. Both figures are rising daily but the ratio of deaths to people infected is reducing daily.

This is only the beginning the complacency on her is staggering. If this was just like seasonal flu the whole world wouldn't be shutting down, cancelling everything and pumping hundreds of billions into the economic system.

56 in the UK today, 233 cumulative, 17th day since the first reported death
Italy was on 366 at a similar stage, they reported 793 today, 4,825 cumulative on their day 30

"Half the country must have been infected by now."
Such utter sh1te. So you've ran your own statistical model you? You know better of course.


Just Checking,

Please keep your foul language to yourself.

And if you haven't run a statistical model yourself in order to challenge other people's views, then shut up.

This is getting quite consistent. Wednesday, Thursday and Friday saw a nigh-on perfect double up of new cases (2000 to 4000), which equates to 1.26 per day. This meant that the figure had to be circa 5040 today for that to continue... 5018 isn't far short!

100% of the population by early May is still on course.

The more they test the more they find.

Test a 100 people one day and 5 could be positive.

Test another 100 people the day after and they could find 5 more.

Cases will double, if they do it like that.

Mar 21, 2020 -- 11:11AM, Just Checking wrote:

"let the weak die agenda""I'm shocked and extremely surprised someone within the UK (I assume the poster is) "It's the standard level of post from gigglio I'm afraid.

You should be shocked by the conspiracy theories and outright false info coming from right leaning posters, but of course you aren't.

Politics has no relevance.

36 year old sister of the lady across the road.  No underlying health conditions.  6 days in, whisked away to hospital with pneumonia

They will have to re-name Chit Chat, Dumbfckery Chat, so many  Virology experts on one forum, outnumbered only by foil hat, narcissistic conspiracy theorists. Financial advice also abounds.

models show doubling over 2/3 day periods don't they or did last week

lived in my street 30 years old bird over the rd would no her if she stopped me in street ,but wife nods,chats to her,wife put a card through a door her door 3 days fook me she rang for the 4th time today think she,s taking the piss, ,
postmen dropped parcel at wrong house for some reason , a ferw streets away did we mind picking it up and delivering it. do i look like postman foooking pat
if your taking dog for a walk do you mind getting me a lottery tkt,she no,s we walk to garage wide eyed walter, only if yoiu dont mind sharing winnings

Crippen, wildly and arrogantly claiming baised on NOTHING (other than your own inflated opinions) that half the population has been infected, then getting all petulant when someone calls you out on such a palably ridiculous claim you've made based on nothing, when you clearly think you know better than every other expert on the planet, pretty much sums you up.

"boxingthefox
They will have to re-name Chit Chat, Dumbfckery Chat, so many  Virology experts on one forum, outnumbered only by foil hat, narcissistic conspiracy theorists. Financial advice also abounds."

Best and most incisive comment made in the last few days :) I'd give you the clap you deserve for that, but you don't need VD in addition to corona

-remove the word *other* from my 19:56 post, being the exact opposite of an expert.

best forum action since the missing pizza box in Bristol

JC, VD would be a walk in the park,

No walking in the park in France apparently boxing, they are arresting people for being out without good reason. If you want to go for a jog, you are apparently allowed to go out and circle round the block you live in ;)

I'm not sure if they have foxes in French parks, if they do they'll be taking over!

I saw a photo the other day from Thailand I think it was and there were about 100 monkeys flowing down the street like a monkey river. They are normally fed by tourists. No tourists = hungry monkeys = monkeys searching for food. Even they are victims. Funny how these things knock on.

I'd imagine our ducks might now be suffering in a similar way? FFS nobody has bread to give to them as it's all stockpiled in chav kitchens!

Ducks don't eat bread..

Just Checking.

Your rude contradiction is also based on nothing, so until is - shut up!

Oh dear lord...

Your trouble is you take everything literally.

Is English your fist language?

Is English your first language?

Skull n bones day  on mothering sunday....
I wonder what the maniacs have in store for us tomorrow.

My refutal is based on common sense. It's based on not suggesting, something anyone with any common sense in the country never mind the experts, that the total infected is actually TEN THOUSAND TIMES BIGGER AND approx 32 MILLION PEOPLE. That every SECOND PERSON in the country, "must" have been infected by now.

Never mind the absurdity of such a claim in isolation (see what I did there!), it would also indicate an infection growth rate that is many MULTIPLES of the infection rate detected by everyone involved in the whole godamned world, with a statistical sample size to go on of : the whole godamned world.

What arrogance does it take to sit there, the armchair general of pandemics, and proclaim you know more about this than all the experts in the world who are working night and day on this, whose careers have been devoted to this sort of thing?

Why be such a bore Just Checking?

Just move on.
This supposed to be casual conversation not the Houses of Parliament where every utterance comes under scrutiny.

If you can't make conversation without a bit of give and take and being rude into the bargain, then I feel sorry for you.

Mar 21, 2020 -- 3:21PM, Just Checking wrote:

No walking in the park in France apparently boxing, they are arresting people for being out without good reason. If you want to go for a jog, you are apparently allowed to go out and circle round the block you live in ;)I'm not sure if they have foxes in French parks, if they do they'll be taking over!I saw a photo the other day from Thailand I think it was and there were about 100 monkeys flowing down the street like a monkey river. They are normally fed by tourists. No tourists = hungry monkeys = monkeys searching for food. Even they are victims. Funny how these things knock on.I'd imagine our ducks might now be suffering in a similar way? FFS nobody has bread to give to them as it's all stockpiled in chav kitchens!

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/2020/03/12/lopburis-monkeys-food-war-blamed-on-plunge-in-tourism/

You can actually follow this on a daily basis. I can't remember where though!
People have studied them and even worked out there are three separate gangs

Those monkeys are vicious, merciless and have huge teeth. I won't go near the bastards


This is the best monkey, uncle fatty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0JV7O17QHjM

Coronavirus: Seaside visitors defy social distancing advice https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-51988877

People being criticised for walking along the coast!

Apologies if already posted but to answer the op, it ain't shy of trying -

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-woman-hospital-warns-people-who-doubt-will-affect-them-2020-3?r=US&IR=T
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A 39-year-old coronavirus patient who could hardly breathe posted a stark video from the ICU to warn people who think it won't happen to them

^ A 39-year-old coronavirus patient in the UK posted a harrowing video from her hospital bed describing her symptoms. Breathing is now "like having glass in your lungs," she told the MailOnline.

The outlet said Tara Jane Langston was a healthy gymgoer who had thought the coronavirus issue was overblown.

She said she made the video to warn others who are still not socially distancing.

do any of you climate/virus/communicable disease specialists on here know anything AT ALL

you ever been there and caught any of this

stuff - strangely I never - must have been lucky  or the british medical set up inoculated

been and worked and lived in some of them  - I must be bullet proof or something

you catch anything after just one breath  hahahah

why then hysteria about walking along the coastline  ...out in the open air  ... people not coughing or kissing  ... better than all cooped up in groups in houses surely ? 

are these health gurus stupid enough to believe that the groups e.g congregated in arcades etc are  going to suddenly change their behaviour when at home  ffs  

get a fooken grip you academic boneheads ..they'll probably have a dozen friends round later tonight for a meet up with a bottle of prosecco and a crate of beer

clueless to the last