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Yes Injera, I mentioned it here myself at 12:58
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One victim was a woman in her 70s with underlying health problems from Dudley, West Midlands. The second was an 'elderly patient' with a number of chronic conditions at the George Eliot Hospital in Warwickshire.
- the latest deaths. |
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for me I think we should be concentrating on the game - pool 1 up where do we go
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All quite on the Russian front.
Although what's this: ''Several Russian scientists believe America created the Wuhan coronavirus to sabotage China while making boatloads of money off a cure.'' https://www.ccn.com/many-russians-think-america-created-the-wuhan-coronavirus/ |
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''As the new coronavirus that has killed more than 4,000 people continues to spread around the world, Russia has stepped up measures to tackle the pandemic, including closing most entry points along its 4,200-kilometer border with China, ordering people returning from high-risk areas to self-quarantine and temporarily banning Chinese citizens from entering the country.
There have been 28 cases of coronavirus infections reported in Russia so far.'' https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/03/11/coronavirus-in-russia-the-latest-news-march-11-a69117 |
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Moscow Times:
As the new coronavirus that has killed more than 4,000 people continues to spread around the world, Russia has stepped up measures to tackle the pandemic, including closing most entry points along its 4,200-kilometer border with China, ordering people returning from high-risk areas to self-quarantine and temporarily banning Chinese citizens from entering the country. There have been 28 cases of coronavirus infections reported in Russia so far. -Putin doesn’t mess about. |
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It seems that Russia with very few reported cases, is doing a lot more to try and contain the virus than we're are in Britain.
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March 8
—Moscow city authorities threatened prison terms of up to five years for people failing to self-isolate in their homes for two weeks after visiting countries hit hard by the coronavirus outbreak. Same link - themoscowtimes. |
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The SARS virus – which between 2002 and 2004 infected 8,098 people and killed 774 – had infact ‘escaped’ multiple times from a lab in Beijing prior to Wuhan’s lab opening, according to the Nature article. China installed the first of a planned five to seven biolabs designed for maximum safety in Wuhan in 2017, for the purpose of studying the most high-risk pathogens, like SARS.
The lab, housed at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, was built in 2015 and ready to open in 2017. It was the first ever lab in the country designed to meet biosafetey-level-4 (BSL-4) standards – the highest biohazard level, meaning that it would be qualified to handle the most dangerous pathogens. BSL-4 labs have to be equipped with airtight hazmat suits or special ‘cabinet’ work spaces that confine viruses and bacteria that can be transmitted through the air to sealed boxes that scientists reach into using attached high-grade gloves. There are about 54 BSL-4 labs worldwide. China’s first, in Wuhan, received federal accreditation in January 2017. https://metro.co.uk/2020/01/24/us-warned-virus-escape-lab-near-coronavirus-epicentre-12114591/ |
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Close the boarders.
. https://summit.news/2020/03/11/the-truth-about-coronavirus/ |
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i am not sure ,but i don't think the UK are doing anal swab tests for corona virus,and it shows up many times in people who are infected,but some people pass the normal CV test and walk away thinking they are all clear.This is a very important test and should be used ,otherwise the virus will spread much quicker in certain countries in a few weeks time.
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Trump declaring a national disaster?
Don't watch the speech |
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He's shut the door.
No flights allowed into USA from Europe (UK exempt - still allowed) - along with same restrictions on other countries like South Korea. |
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When and if the dust settles
Surly the world going to **** on China from a great height ! |
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Some doctor on LBC says going on the death rate in the UK and how death comes typically 15 days after getting it, with the time lag we must have around 7,000 infected people at the moment.
He said now it's a case of shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted. Like I said earlier, when you phone them up they'll tell you to self-isolate and you are not recorded as a confirmed case. |
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The Russians clamped down in January and they've had very few cases and no deaths.
Which is an example of how it should be done. More evidence for the conspiracy theorists. |
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In the UK and Europe they've waited until it's too late before taking any serious measures. So it'll be out of control in the UK soon as well, for how can we avoid it now?
Why have they appeared to be letting it happen - incompetence? I don't think so. |
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Maybe the best way of beating it is building up an immunity to it, or at least trying to. Yes, the weak will not survive this, but if I'm reading correctly, most are getting no more than mild symptoms and if the body's natural defences can fight it then it could be one reason they are acting accordingly. To be fair I have no clue and just batting this out there.
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^^^ some people are saying that is the government approach, something they call herd immunity develops once so many people have had it. encouraging social distancing so as to smooth the number of infections out and hopefully a peak in infections in a month or so. allegedly the government thinks a draconian lock down as in china wouldnt work here.
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I expect it to run its course now. It's going to get really bad for older people.
I wonder if the weather warming up might help matters? They must be banking on a vaccine coming along. |
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On the news just out.
All movement around Italy is being restricted, and only supermarkets and pharmacies being allowed to open. |
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If ever you needed a confirmation that all was not as it is being portrayed you get a heads up that " RUN FOREST RUN " is a high profile carrier. At least no one will catch him but he may just catch you so be on your toes.
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their just holding back as long as they can before having to admit the NHS cant cope
mp,s refusing to take test for the simple reason if they fail it they,ll have to self isolate and think the world cant manage without them sunak,doris,gove ete spent months trying to close commons and now risking lives to keep it open you couldn't make this shoite up |
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If the test for coronavirus is unreliable as stated in JWH's first post, then how do we know whether this is coronavirus or ordinary flu?
It's true that many people have been tested positive for corona without displaying symptoms. So I wonder how many with symptoms have been tested negative for corona? |
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false negatives is a problem i have read about
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Dr Crippen • March 12, 2020 1:05 PM GMT
If the test for coronavirus is unreliable as stated in JWH's first post, then how do we know whether this is coronavirus or ordinary flu? It is almost certainly 'ordinary' flu in a vast majority of cases but if it ramps up the fear factor then let it be put down to the Black Death , for what it's worth  |
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Coronaviruses are not new. ‘19’ is of course worse than others. Here’s a link to the testing procedure.
https://medlineplus.gov/lab-tests/coronavirus-testing/ ‘Coronavirus infections in people are common throughout the world. They don't usually cause serious illness.’ |
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Doctor on the TV said to check your lungs by seeing if you can hold your breath for ten seconds.
Someone I know who's turned eighty, can swim a length of the baths without taking a breath. I think he'll be alright if he catches it. |
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will someone ask matt chapmen to hold his breath for 25 mins,
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Got this from ITV article dated 6/02/2020, if those figures are correct, I didn't notice any panic in previous years regarding a spreading virus. I reckon viruses like this have always spread they just haven't been identified and tracked this one...........................................
Although flu might not seem like a deadly illness, on average it kills around 17,000 people in England a year. Public Health England told ITV News: "The number of flu cases and deaths due to flu-related complications varies each flu season. "The average number of deaths in England for the last five seasons, 2014/15 to 2018/19, was 17,000 deaths annually. "This ranged from 1,692 deaths last season, 2018/19, to 28,330 deaths in 2014/15." Since October, more than 4,000 people with confirmed flu have been admitted to hospitals in England with at least 70 deaths. https://www.itv.com/news/2020-02-06/how-does-the-wuhan-coronavirus-compare-to-seasonal-flu/ |
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The reporting, use of stats and complete absence of perspective is what gets me. It’s as if no one has ever died before.
Many jobs will be lost, recession inevitable, pension pots decimated. |
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Read and weep. The stupidity of the world we live in...
There is no doubt in my mind that Jon has this covered. Coronavirus: a propaganda master advises the President before he addresses the nation Read all the way through to catch that chunk by Jon Rappoport March 11, 2020 What do most people say, if you raise questions about the reality of the “epidemic,” or even hint that the facts might be in doubt? Two responses high on the list: “but people are dying”; and “the experts wouldn’t lie.” So, in this episode of virus fakery and apocalypse on rye with mustard, I present a tale I like to call: THE PROPAGANDA MASTER COMES TO TOWN. This character is a wisdom figure and a teacher. He’s an old pro. He makes sure the lies are being told well and often. He reminds his troops of their mission. Pardon his language, but he has a very low opinion of humanity. Here he is now, getting out of his limo and walking into a five-star hotel. Conference room. A security team has checked the space for bugs and other electronic snooping. The shades are drawn. A dozen propaganda ops specialists are sitting at the long table. The maestro walks into the room, stands at one end of the table, and without formalities, begins talking: —I only have a few minutes. I’m on my way to Rome to brief the Pope. So here it is. We put messages into the heads of the great unwashed masses, so they’ll pass those messages to others. Get it? THAT’S the real contagion factor. Never forget it. We’re Info Central for the rubes and yokels and idiots, including high IQ idiots who think their college degree means they’re educated in science. —We work with death. People all over the world are dying all the time, every day. The public doesn’t want to think about that. Good. That’s good for us. Our job is to convince the yokels that the “new” dying which is happening now comes from a special virus. We do that by equating DEATH and CORONAVIRUS. Get it? Never forget it. “People are dying, it must be the virus.” That’s our ticket. —Our medical brethren in this great con have already done a terrific job carving up death into various categories. But now they can make ordinary pneumonia into coronavirus pneumonia at the drop of a hat. They can make flu into corona. They can make a man falling down stairs a victim of the virus. A flying saucer crashes in a field? If that happened, a CDC official with a straight face could tell the yokels and idiots that the alien pilot of the craft was struck down by the virus and that’s why he lost control of the saucer. —So we can’t let our medical friends down. We have to ramp up the intensity of the message. I want more predictions from Harvard and Yale big shots. You know, millions are going to die. Half the world’s population is going to be infected. —Some of the idiots and loons we target are politicians. They “believe in science.” We want these pols to lock down cities. Cut off transportation. Make people feel the sting. The sting and the crisis and the quarantine equal THE VIRUS. We own the virus. It’s our psy-weapon. It’s an idea, a notion, a ghost, a terrorist, a monster, and only the medical experts can control it, if people follow all their orders. Keep pounding that message. —Now, just between us, did they ever find a brand new virus in China to begin with? Who cares? Are the diagnostic tests for the virus inadequate and useless and worthless and deceiving? Of course. Is the “virus epidemic” a gold-plated fake? Sure. Are all sorts of people being diagnosed with corona who have no disease at all? You bet. Are people who are sick for all sorts of reasons being told they’re corona cases? Yeah. That’s our bread and butter. Some poor bastard gets off a plane and he has a slight fever from the bad air in the cabin and he’s whisked to a military base for quarantine. Play it up. “The virus can get you anytime, anywhere.” In a city, the ICU ward in a hospital is overflowing with sick people? Of course it is. People are sick all the time. But now, with the wave of a magic wand, they’re put in the ICU because they must be corona. Good. I want more pictures of that ICU. I want video on the news. More of it. Get busy. Don’t slack off. This is a circus. There are rules for a circus. The main rule is, people get bored quickly, so you need lots of acts and tricks and animals and side shows and candy to keep the audience occupied. An ICU here, an ICU there. A mother crying. Who cares why? It must be the virus. I don’t want to hear about all the other reasons people are sick. I just want to hear VIRUS. —Never forget how easily you can fool the yokels. Yesterday, a guy living in an apartment house had the flu. No big deal. But today, same guy? Corona. Nothing changed except the news. All his neighbors in the building forget that yesterday this guy had ordinary flu. It’s a beautiful thing. Use it. I want to see more funerals on the news. Get busy. Show me more sporting events happening in empty stadiums. —Our holy grail, our perfect ideal, which is unattainable, would be: every death in the world for the next six months or a year is called coronavirus. But we can strive toward that ideal. We must. —There are two echelons. There is WE. And there is THEY-THEM. WE keep THEM in their limited minds. We bolster those limited minds with our messages. Keep them yammering, “But people are dying, it must be the virus!” It’s pure gold. Keep mining that gold. Back in his limo, the maestro puts in a call to his contact at the CDC. “Listen up,” he says, “you people over there are starting to wobble. I’m talking about the diagnostic test for the virus. First, your test kits were bad, they didn’t work. Now you don’t have enough of them to satisfy needs. Plus the word is starting to leak out that the tests are inherently unreliable and no one should believe them. This crap must stop now. Shore up your troops. Get them in line. I want healthy people and sick people and old people and young people and all people to be diagnosed with corona, and I don’t want any uncertainties. You and I know the test is a joke, it doesn’t work, but nobody else can find that out. Got it? People over there at the CDC can be replaced. They can find themselves out on the street. What’s in charge of this operation is propaganda, not science. YOU back US up. That’s the hierarchy. I want FEAR raging through the population. If you can’t hold up your end, you’re going to find all the quotes about the epidemic in the press are suddenly coming from the World Health Organization, not the CDC. I’ll make sure you’re shoved into the background. The World Health people are professional. They know how to deliver a unified con job. Those two idiots, the governor of New York and the mayor of New York, are doing more to hype this fake epidemic than all the employees of the CDC put together. Get your house in order. Fast.” He closes his phone and puts it in his pocket. On the way to the airport, he hums a little tune. He looks out the window. He thinks to himself, if we can stretch this out far enough, we can force a cancelation of the Olympics. Maybe we can even stage a presidential election in America on the Internet. No one votes in a booth. Can’t risk transmission of the virus. He chuckles. His phone vibrates. He takes it out. “Yes, sir?” he says. He listens. Nods. “Yes, sir, I know you’re going to address the nation on the pandemic in a few minutes. Well, sir, this is a squeeze play. You’re in the middle. I know you understand that. If you go too far in minimizing the risk of the epidemic, you’re going to get hit hard from all sides. Mayors, governors, scientists, doctors, public health officials, members of Congress, big tech, the media—they’re all going to carve you into a grinning pumpkin. To say nothing of what’s been happening to the stock market. If you try minimize the “epidemic,” the whole economic picture is going to go upside down. Even Goldman Sachs won’t be able to protect you. Look around you. That schmuck mayor of New York is making noises about shutting down the whole Subway system. My advice is, let this operation run its course. Read the tea leaves of history. Many presidents have trouble at the end of a term. The coronavirus fakery is your trouble. Ride it out. If you can’t beat Joe Biden in November, you should go back to building golf courses. He’s hanging on by a thread. I don’t think the doctors can pump him up with enough drugs to keep his brain functioning during a debate. You might stagger into office on a low for your second term, but the epidemic op will fade out, the economy will come back, and you’ll—don’t be angry, sir, your enemies have been looking for an Achilles heel since you started campaigning back in 2015. They tried this, they tried that, it didn’t really work. But this medical op works. Are you really going to say the medical experts are all liars and fake news? Are you contemplating that? Take it from me, it won’t fly. You know I’m right. The medical propaganda of the past hundred years is a winner. How can you buck it, especially in the middle of this current **** storm? If I cared about the truth, I’d be in a dither. Fortunately, I’m above the fray. Listen to your wise old uncle. Take the bitter with the sweet. You’re a pro in your field. The art of the deal. In this instance, the deal is live to fight another day. You painted your picture of “the grand economic recovery”, and now they’re spraying all over it with graffiti. That’s what enemies do. I have some interesting material on Biden and Bernie, if you’d like me to—“ The maestro looks at his phone. “He hung up,” he says to his driver. “He’s a quick study,” the driver says. They laugh. “What are you going to say to the Pope?” the driver asks. “I’m going to tell him to keep his big mouth shut. And if he can’t do that, and he wants to bring God into it, we’ll work on the statement. Change it to Nature. That’s softer. Nature has its ways. It must be respected. God gave us the intelligence to work with Nature, and the means to develop medical science. Doctors are healers. Follow their recommendations. Something like that. On the way over in the plane, I’ll come up with some quotes. Stay by my side. You’re packing heat. They’ll ask for your weapon before they let us in the Vatican. Give it to them. Keep your eyes trained straight ahead. Don’t look past any open doors. Who knows what you’d see? I don’t want anyone to call us as witnesses in a future court case…” “You’re careful as always,” the driver says. “Careful in the details, absolutely reckless when it comes to the overall plan. Tell a lie so outrageous, no one can believe it’s a lie.” At the White House, the president steps to the podium and looks at the camera. He thinks, I wonder what would happen if I went off script and said, you know, there must be ten thousand people in Washington who know there’s something weird about this coronavirus situation. There’s the whole flu thing. The CDC says thirty thousand people in the US die from ordinary flu every single year, like clockwork, and there are millions of flu cases every year—but nobody’s calling THAT an epidemic. The stock market isn’t crashing because of THAT. Nobody’s getting quarantined because of THAT. They aren’t going to play the whole NCAA March Madness tournament in empty arenas because of THAT. What the hell’s going on? 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Tell a lie so outrageous, no one can believe it’s a lie.”
Just love that one. lol |
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The big gatherings thing confuses me too. When you attend an event you only mix with a few. The bigger problem is the travelling to and from on public transport. Yet that is happening every day anyway.
The first thing to be done is cancelling flights from China, then Iran and Italy. This still hasn’t been done!! I’ve just had a look at my local airport’s arrivals from Italy..... Between 6pm and midnight there are 13 (thirteen) flights arriving into Gatwick tonight....that includes Venice and Milan. |
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World deaths from Corona update:
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1093256/novel-coronavirus-2019ncov-deaths-worldwide-by-country/ |
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The latest two deaths were an 89-year-old at Charing Cross Hospital in London and a woman in her 60s at Queen's Hospital in Romford, NHS England said. They both had underlying health conditions. - BBC
This is very sad for the families involved but it’s not worthy of news. |
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their using Italy been 1st top ban Chinese flights as a reason for not doing it,are they really suggesting Italy would be better off if they hadn't banned flights,surely closing schools,gatherings etc etc at worst wont make it worse, to say people will get bored with it is ridiculous once it starts could be 1,2,3,4 month etc who no,s
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we canmt close schools because no one to look after kids, does that means if there,s a world war 3,4 etc in future if you have school kids you don't have to fight,
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shows how the world,s changed when its now a tory government,s problem on who,how to look after your kids, it used to be the parents
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If the Gov want to stop the spread of this or any flue type virus, issue every one with free masks and hand sanitiser, this would be a hell of a lot cheaper, more effective and less catastrophic to the country/world than what is now happening. 
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