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By:
lurka
When: 27 Oct 19 14:47
They went to China and got false Chinese docs from the people traffickers. That's why the cops thought they were all Chinese initially. Travelling to another communist country wouldn't be nearly as difficult as to the West anyway but I'd imagine they were smuggled to China too.
By:
lfc1971
When: 27 Oct 19 14:50
As incomes grow it is estimated that as many as 7.5 million will travel overseas by 2021
By:
lfc1971
When: 27 Oct 19 14:51
* 7.5 million Vietnamese
By:
moisok
When: 27 Oct 19 15:10
But.  How many?
By:
moisok
When: 27 Oct 19 15:12
stand opposite big ben and you can see thousands.  Try getting from the underground and across westminster bridge - it's a scrum.
By:
lurka
When: 27 Oct 19 15:17
No problem leaving Vietnam - they went with people traffickers FFS. If you think they have no problem leaving and just decide to go with people traffickers at a huge cost/debt instead then I give up. It is a communist country. It is not easy to leave any communist country. That may change as they open up more but we are talking about now. People traffickers are not going to offer their services to people who can go to the airport instead. They are exploiting their situation and lack of wealth and freedom.

Millions of Chinese tourists in London - absolute nonsense. There were about 260,000 in the whole of the UK in 2016. Do you realise how many people there are in China and how small a fraction of the Chinese population that is? Most of them who come to the UK are on study visas but you need to have money to get one of those. The people we are talking about are paupers earning about £200 a month. The only way they can get to the UK is via people traffickers. If the fact that they went with people traffickers doesn't tell you that then you are a special kind of stupid.

I won't be surprised at all if all or the vast majority of the dead turn out to be Vietnamese.
By:
detraveller
When: 27 Oct 19 15:24

Oct 27, 2019 -- 2:46PM, detraveller wrote:


lurka, it's a trap.


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By:
lfc1971
When: 27 Oct 19 16:06
We are talking about tens of thousands of people . How can they vanish off the radar?
Everyone needs medical care from time to time . What about children they have here and schools
How do they avoid mentioning their origins when involved in official business that everyone has to engage in sooner or later
doesn’t make sense , the government must be turning a blind eye to this
By:
saddo
When: 27 Oct 19 16:42
Rather a hand over both eyes, and hoping we'd never notice.
By:
tictacman1
When: 27 Oct 19 21:09
Three people arrested in connection with the deaths of 39 people found dead inside a lorry in Essex have been released on bail.

Those bailed were a 46-year-old man from Northern Ireland, who was arrested at Stansted Airport on Friday, and Joanna and Thomas Maher, both 38, from Warrington, Cheshire.
By:
ImSoLuckyLucky!
When: 28 Oct 19 16:28
Seems they suffocated
Refridegeration wasn't switched on

Wink
By:
moisok
When: 28 Oct 19 17:33
BUT HOW MANY???   each and every 'welcoming' port
By:
ImSoLuckyLucky!
When: 28 Oct 19 18:58
Driver charged with offenses between Dec 1 last year and
October 24
No plea entered
Obviously
Because hes singing his heart out

Wink
By:
peckerdunne
When: 28 Oct 19 19:31
Bangin the shitt outta his lambay
By:
sageform
When: 28 Oct 19 21:27
The tragedy has just highlighted the scale of the problem. According to Vietnamese family members, there were 100 or more in 3 trucks. Where are the others?
By:
moisok
When: 28 Oct 19 22:34
and they laughed when I said we had hit 70 million some time ago
By:
moisok
When: 28 Oct 19 22:39
120 commercial ports in the uk - just 10 per day - go on - as they say - do the maths -
actually no one knows - least the authorities
By:
detraveller
When: 29 Oct 19 00:51
So people just learnt lorries can be used to smuggle people.

Now imagine how many would fit in a ferry.
By:
lurka
When: 29 Oct 19 09:49
I've only seen reports that the refigeration MAY not have been switched on and that they suffocated. But nothing confirmed. They guy who delivered the container to Zebrugge apparently told them it was biscuits and that refigeration didn't need to be switched on. The texts from the Vietnamese girl to her mother say that she couldn't breathe, so perhaps it wasn't switched on to freezing temps. However, using the tag 'Polar Express' on pics from previous journeys suggests that turning refigeration on to freezing temps is the normal modus operandi and this would ensure that thermal imaging cameras couldn't detect them.

The only charges relating to Dec 18 are in relation to receiving and concealing criminal property. Everything else relates to this particular journey only.

I highly doubt he is 'singing his heart out'. Yesterday's court hearing was not one where he would enter a plea and wasn't in the court which will deal with the case, it was in a lower court. Plea entry will happen in th higher court which will deal with it from next month. The people running this leg of the operation are loyalist terrorists based where his pregnant wife and family live and I'm sure they could get to him in prison as well. I'd imagine this entire haulage company is simply a front for the operation and does no legitimate haulage work and that they will be able to nab some others over time just by association and money trail without him giving them any inside info. They'd have charged a lot of others by now if he was singing his heart out. They have only questioned others and released them all on bail. The Irish cops have arrested one guy from NI but on unrelated charges.
By:
mrcombustible
When: 29 Oct 19 10:44
Lurka is 100% correct, yesterdays hearing was in Chelmsford magistrates, all criminal cases start in the Magistrates court and depending on the severity of the charges are dealt with in the appropriate court.

Summary offences remain in the Magistrates (no jury, minor offences)

Either way can be heard in magistrates or crown court  ( you can elect for Crown Court Trial or choose to stay in the mags. Sometimes the mags will decline jurisdiction and send to Crown Court) This is a gamble, you are more likely to be found guilty in the magistrates than before a jury but the sentences are stiffer in the Crown.

Indictable only (most serious offences can only be dealt with at Crown Court) are sent to the Crown Court for a trial by jury. This is what happened yesterday and the next hearing will be in the Central Criminal Court (Old Bailey) on Nov 25.
By:
mrcombustible
When: 29 Oct 19 11:08
The thing about yesterdays hearing that I found interesting.

Mo Robinson was represented by Julian Hayes Solicitor a partner with BCL of Lincolns Inn Fields.

https://www.bcl.com/people/

I would have expected Robinson to have applied for legal aid but this is not the case as BCL do not do cases on legal aid ( a lot of quality criminal firms will not touch legal aid cases as rates are too low and you also need a legal aid franchise which is a pain in the ****. This case would be a Very High Cost Case category 1 under legal aid where the rate would be £101.50 an hour, this is highest possible rate you can get on legal aid)

BCL are in the top 10 of Criminal Defence Solicitors in London, they represented Kieran Fallon in the Old Bailey Jockeys trial and Harry Redknapp in his Tax trial and many other very high profile clients. They would be charging at least £500 an hour and they will also be instructing expensive counsel more than likely from Cloth Fair Chambers. I  guess the trial would cost Robinson at least 500,000 in fees.

The question is, how can a truck driver afford these fees. Who is funding him?
By:
detraveller
When: 29 Oct 19 11:31
Assuming he's guilty, its the big guys with their arse on the line that are funding his defense. In a developing country there would definitely be a politician involved. I doubt that's the case here but human smuggling requires a lot of influential people onboard.
By:
Angoose
When: 29 Oct 19 15:23
Two brothers are wanted on suspicion of manslaughter after 39 people were found dead in a refrigerated trailer in Essex last week.

Ronan Hughes, 40, and Christopher Hughes, 34, both from Armagh in Northern Ireland, are also wanted on suspicion of human trafficking, Essex Police said on Tuesday.

The older brother also goes by the name Rowan, and both have links to the Republic of Ireland as well as Northern Ireland.
Police were called to the Waterglade Retail Park in Grays in the early hours of Wednesday after 39 bodies were discovered in a refrigerated trailer.

Detective Chief Superintendent Stuart Hooper, who is leading the investigation, said: "Finding and speaking to the Hughes brothers is crucial to our investigation.

"At this time we believe they are in Northern Ireland but they also have links to the Irish Republic.
"If you know where they are or have any information about their whereabouts I need you to call my team."
By:
breadnbutter
When: 29 Oct 19 18:09

Oct 29, 2019 -- 11:31AM, detraveller wrote:


Assuming he's guilty, its the big guys with their arse on the line that are funding his defense. In a developing country there would definitely be a politician involved. I doubt that's the case here but human smuggling requires a lot of influential people onboard.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UBhN28eTuP8

By:
moisok
When: 30 Oct 19 00:18
let's quickly ignore the thousands that are coming in every day and concentrate on one 'appalling' case
By:
peckerdunne
When: 30 Oct 19 00:22
cant imagine those little orange men funding his defence when arms need paying for
By:
moisok
When: 30 Oct 19 00:37
breadnbutter - I apologise for clashing with you but that must have been one of the mostest fairest trials in the defence of pigeons being slaughtered by the priviledged classes!!
By:
peckerdunne
When: 30 Oct 19 15:11
A very peculiar situation as it now seems that though Mo is a staunch loyalist and Rangers fan, and at the bottom of this food chain, that he has indeed been 'employed' by the 'Ra'.

How this has occurred i don't know but can only hazard a guess it may have been related to Mo liking a toot(educated guess), but knowing that the Ra don't approve of drugs Grin.Cannabis herb with an estimated street value of €3.2 million has been seized by gardaí in Co Louth.

The discovery was made after gardaí from the National Drugs and Organised Crime Bureau intercepted a commercial haulage vehicle in Ballymascanlon, near Dundalk.

The cannabis was found concealed within a consignment of fresh vegetables.

Two men, aged 57 and 42, from Britain and Northern Ireland have been  Oct29 Grin



So you will see the 'Hughes brothers' wanted from Monaghan/Armagh connections.

Dundalk btw is in the south bordering the bandit country of south Armagh in the north and the stronghold of this millionaire chap

The Troubles. Thomas "Slab" Murphy (Irish: Tomás Mac Murchaidh: born 26 August 1949) is an Irish republican, believed to be a former Chief of Staff of the Provisional Irish Republican Army.

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FYI
By:
ImSoLuckyLucky!
When: 30 Oct 19 17:38
Lorry found in Belguim with 12 people from
refridegeration container
alive

Wink
By:
ImSoLuckyLucky!
When: 01 Nov 19 17:20
2ND Orish driver
CHARGED with manslaughter

Wink
By:
peckerdunne
When: 01 Nov 19 18:12
What the one living within the union? Grin
By:
detraveller
When: 02 Nov 19 23:14
30 more. But alive. In France.
By:
tictacman1
When: 04 Nov 19 15:04
Eight suspects have been held in Vietnam after 39 people were found dead in a lorry in Essex.

The arrests came as a team of Vietnamese officials arrived in Britain to help formally identify the 31 men and eight women.

The suspects are being held in relation to people smuggling offences, the director of police in the Nghe An province in north-central Vietnam said.

Two people were arrested in the Ha Tinh province of Vietnam last week.
By:
moisok
When: 04 Nov 19 20:28
how many will stay?
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