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By:
moisok
When: 26 Oct 19 21:24
oh sorry of course  goosebumps is an admirer of the open door welcome policy (which that copper blamed for the current situation)
By:
pa lapsy
When: 26 Oct 19 21:30
For Sama is on ch4,ok big difference between asylum seekers(genuine) and economic migrants,only reason i am posting is the human factor and it isther on that.
By:
detraveller
When: 26 Oct 19 21:53

Oct 26, 2019 -- 6:06PM, Baphornet wrote:


i think it's only Germany who have made preconditions on Albanias succession to the federales. Maybe detraveller can help?


I dont know what that means but will happily give my input if you can tell me what it is.

By:
saddo
When: 26 Oct 19 21:59
They have to make the country look less mafia run before they can enter Wink
By:
detraveller
When: 26 Oct 19 22:00
As for walls, they don't work. If entry is free for all and there's no one guarding the gate, what good is the wall?
By:
macarony
When: 26 Oct 19 22:36
So he was obviously under investigation before this tragedy something needs to change. Time to prosicute those who encourage illegal immigration
By:
casemoney
When: 27 Oct 19 02:57
We have have had Bulgarians , Albanians and fook knows who else Mentioned as Running the Show ,Turns out its a Team of Paddies Shocked fookin ell China to Eire ,then the wheels fell off ... Did one of the London Bridge mob not arrive From Dublin ??

I think we need to be looking at little harder at what is coming in  from there tbh ...
By:
casemoney
When: 27 Oct 19 03:29
I suggest the Punishment for Perps of this Type of Crime 7 DAYS

in a Freezer ...

Feel so Sorry for the people who died On the brink of what they thought would be a new Life ,had they made it  they

would have realised how wrong they were ...

Back in the Day there was Racism  , But eventually you got a Job a Room and made a Life ...   

NOW you are expoloited , By who , those who have been let into this Country Given full benefits , who are Ready to Direct

new arrivals to Their new Future Sad  A future of Slavery Or Gang Rape , All Ignored and hidden away, another Hidden

Chapter in the Story of Diversity ...
By:
casemoney
When: 27 Oct 19 03:44


Here's yer Man  ,No hanging about with Pics and a Name on this one by the Beeb
By:
casemoney
When: 27 Oct 19 03:46
Any Grinder users on here ? This could end up a Disaster for the BEEB Shocked
By:
lurka
When: 27 Oct 19 11:08
It doesn't look good for this guy. Why would you call your cab the 'Polar Express' if you thought you were just picking up a refrigerated container of food? I bet he regrets calling it that now. Almost seems to be arrogant/flaunting it. It's like a reference to the Orient Express (similar journey) except it's frozen. They use refrigerated containers because they are sealed and not opened until the final destination and turn them down to -25C after they are sealed so that nothing inside will show on a thermal imaging camera at any checking point. This, despite only about 1% of lorries being scanned. Scumbags. The Vietnamese say there were 100 on 3 separate lorries and the other 2 got through. Apparently there was an unexpected delay with this one which is why they all froze and the others didn't.

Also, he seems to have driven his cab with no lorry on it from NI to the UK mainland via ferry to Holyhead and then all the way to London. Logistics is a big thing in the freight industry and every freight company has a logistics manager. You would never send a driver on a journey like that or use a driver that had to travel such a distance to start the delivery. It's different if the driver coming from NI is making a delivery on the way over to London but if not you would get a local driver in Essex to pick it up, reducing driver time and fuel and ferry costs, very basic stuff. And any driver who was sent on a trip like that would be thinking 'why are they sending me for this when they could just use a local driver?'.

They have him on money laundering charges as well, so there must be a money trail and he must have been getting paid well over the going rate for these deliveries. They send the container into the UK unaccompanied so that there is plausible deniability for the driver who collects it from the UK port - he can say 'I just picked it up and didn't have a clue what was in it and when I discovered the contents I immediately rang the police'. But going on such a trip and presumably getting very well paid for it would be enough to arouse the suspicions of any driver. Apparently, he told police he opened the container to get paperwork. That's nonsense, no way the shipping docs would be inside the sealed container. No container can move anywhere without these docs and no driver or ship would take one without them.

The only way they can do him for manslaughter is if they can prove he is part of a joint-enterprise, ie that he had some knowledge of the contents/operation. It is clear that he didn't cause their deaths as they were long dead before he picked up the container. So they are obviously confident that they can prove it, assuming he hasn't confessed and given them details of the operation in a bid to reduce his sentence.

There may well be an Irish element to this case but this guy is British, a loyalist from NI, the same guys who are propping the Tory government up, and the Belfast newspapers are saying that the route used is a know loyalist heroin smuggling route through Asia and Europe. There is talk that the guy who brought the container to Zebrugge is an Irish national but nothing confirmed just yet.
By:
Injera
When: 27 Oct 19 12:45
Angoose - you said this: 'Building walls will not solve the problem, you need to address the root cause.'

I'm guessing you believe the root cause is to improve the countries from where these people come from. I couldn't agree more.

But that doesn't mean (as detraveller says) we should have open borders and an amnesty for illegals who we foolishly call migrants!!!!

'Walls' are a deterrent. Prosecutions are a deterrent. Without them people will DIE.


You have a pop at Trump. This is the man who says he wants people to stay in their home countries to 'make their countries great again'

Who could possibly argue against that?!!!! Instead we in the UK bring skilled medical staff from 3rd world hellholes to staff our NHS. It's a despicable policy.

Our liberal attitude has created a market for slave traffickers. Merkel said come on in and thousands die each year trying. It's utter madness. Those who arrive safely are pimped out and/or employed in slave labour, housed like rats in filth.

Total madness.
By:
saddo
When: 27 Oct 19 13:04
And our International Health service looks after em all for free, legal or not.
By:
Angoose
When: 27 Oct 19 13:09
Injera, we are indeed agreed on the need to improve conditions in countries around the globe.
We also agree on the need for border controls, truly open borders is not a feasible option.

I suspect that we will further agree that there are no easy solutions, and there are certainly no quick solutions.
By:
moisok
When: 27 Oct 19 13:11
just how many hundreds of thousands are pouring into this country illegally?

how many over the last 20 years?
By:
saddo
When: 27 Oct 19 13:16
Dismayed that Boris has pledged to give an amnesty to half a million of em, but seems a random number plucked from nowhere.
By:
macarony
When: 27 Oct 19 13:17
Time for biometric ID cards no card no treatment on the NHS instead of allocating NHS funds upfront only pay the NHS of the work it as carried out and only then if the paperwork as been correctly filled out
By:
lfc1971
When: 27 Oct 19 13:21
Is it possible they gave a better life in Vietnam than we do in the UK ?
By:
Angoose
When: 27 Oct 19 13:22
Three people arrested in connection with the deaths of 39 people found in a lorry trailer in Grays, Essex, have been released on bail.

A man and a woman, both 38, from Warrington, were arrested in Cheshire on Friday and a 45-year-old man from Northern Ireland was arrested at Stansted later the same day.

All three had been questioned on suspicion of manslaughter and conspiracy to traffic people.

The man and the woman from Warrington were released on bail until 11 November, while the 45-year-old man was bailed until 13 November, Essex police said on Sunday.
By:
lfc1971
When: 27 Oct 19 13:23
possible they have a better life in Vietnam , and  are being sold something that doesn’t exist ?
By:
Injera
When: 27 Oct 19 13:24
The Foreign Office should be sending messages to all countries not to think about coming here illegally.

If you do you will be arrested and deported. NO AMNESTY.

Instead we get the softly, softly approach which indirectly leads to these tragedies.

The BBC ran a story about a Syrian man who took 55 days to get here. They were lauding him as some sort of hero. It was nauseating.

No mention of the need for men like him to stay, fight for and protect his country. Nor the fact he turned his nose up at umpteen European countries!
By:
TheGoldenVision
When: 27 Oct 19 14:06
The papers are saying these vietnamese/chinese folk are paying up to 30k for travelling illegally to the UK. Why don't they just nip onto a scheduled flight and come over as holiday makers? Once here, vanish into the community.... I don't get it.
By:
lurka
When: 27 Oct 19 14:08
They do not have a better life in Vietnam. It is a very poor communist country with little freedom. They have a mudane life where work is hard to find and they will be poor for life. But they are not fleeing for their lives. The villages they come from in Vietnam are full of families who have gotten rich from sending their kids away to work illegally abroad. This is more of a a greed issue than anything else. It's not like a Syrian fleeing a warzone where his life is in danger.

They cost is £30k but they only pay a small deposit and the son/daughter then normally has 3 years to work off the rest or else they go after the family back home, which ensures the son/daughter will work to pay the debt. Vietnam and China are communist countries - you think it's easy to leave one of those?!
By:
saddo
When: 27 Oct 19 14:11
It can't be that hard, luxury buses full of em at any tourist destination these days.
By:
lurka
When: 27 Oct 19 14:12
It's easier for some, if you're connected or rich. These people are not.
By:
saddo
When: 27 Oct 19 14:15
Millions here can't afford a holiday, they are not breaking into wealthier countries as a result though.
By:
lurka
When: 27 Oct 19 14:23
What wealthier countries are you talking about?
By:
detraveller
When: 27 Oct 19 14:25

Oct 27, 2019 -- 2:15PM, saddo wrote:


Millions here can't afford a holiday, they are not breaking into wealthier countries as a result though.


The fact that you can think a holiday has something to do with spending money and affordability is in itself a luxury.

By:
casemoney
When: 27 Oct 19 14:28
Goldenvision Correct they could just come as Tourists and Disappear ???
By:
detraveller
When: 27 Oct 19 14:34
Tourist visas are tougher to get for people under the age of 30. They have to prove they will go back, which is a very hard thing to prove.

UK's commercial education means it is very easy to get into UK on a study visa though. But Theresa May wrecked that in 2012 which resulted in many students leaving UK and going to France and Germany claiming asylum. Study visas are still easy and isn't more than a few k's of investment. The drawback is that your fingerprints are with the UKIB, which means you can't later claim to be from Afghanistan and escaping war etc. Hence the importance of arriving in UK unregistered. You can claim to be anyone.
By:
lurka
When: 27 Oct 19 14:36
They are willing to get into £30k of debt (about 10-15 years salary over there) and send their kids off with people traffickers. And some people on here think they can just float down to the airport, get a visa and hop on a plane instead at a fraction of the cost in a communist country. How clueless do you have to be to think that?
By:
detraveller
When: 27 Oct 19 14:36
and hence the price tag, but I still can't believe the 30k figure.

And as someone above mentioned, this isn't the upfront payment. Upfront might still be only a few k's. The rest is paid back later when these people start working.
By:
lfc1971
When: 27 Oct 19 14:38
But it seems they were planing to live under the radar
so why not fly in
By:
detraveller
When: 27 Oct 19 14:39
Tourist visas are almost impossible. Anyone familiar with immigration affairs knows they are rarely granted. Student visas are easy, but the people who come here aren't educated, so they can't just make up an education history and get admission in a university. Some girls were under 20. Could easily have gotten admission and arrived on a study visa but they probably never went to school.
By:
lfc1971
When: 27 Oct 19 14:39
They didn’t have a tourist or student  visa
By:
lfc1971
When: 27 Oct 19 14:40
Why not fly in ?
By:
lurka
When: 27 Oct 19 14:42
Visas LOL. They are communist countries. These people are not allowed to leave them FFS. They are peasants with no status, wealth or connection to power.
By:
lfc1971
When: 27 Oct 19 14:43
They had no problem leaving Vietnam
By:
lfc1971
When: 27 Oct 19 14:44
Millions of Chinese tourists in London
By:
detraveller
When: 27 Oct 19 14:46
lurka, it's a trap.
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