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Mr John Bercow
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As said if we were to remain it would be done through the democratic process.
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are you suggesting that is all i know, WD?
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and?
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Inventing more and more reasons for ignoring it n88uk.
We voted to leave. There were no conditions attached. As Bap says STOP CRYING AND ACCEPT THE RESULT. |
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No Baph,
You are smart but I am not sure about Akabula  !and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections". Parliament can risk going against the " will " of the people if that is how the people see it but will have to risk the wrath of the people at the ballot box What do you think the " will " of the people is btw? |
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I am not crying about the result. I want to see democracy kept together in this country.
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We also elected a majority of MPs who were elected on manifestos to reject no deal in 2017 fwiw.
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the thing these numpties do not see is this; the EU are watching the numpties trying to enforce their - The EUs will. Just what do they think that will achieve? We have been looked upon by them as 2nd class citizens for donkeys years; & here we have these idiots playing right into the bureaucrats hands
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When you say the " will " of the people do you mean all of the people or 17 million people. How sure are you that a no deal Brexit is the " will " of the people?
Do you have any evidence to suggest that a no deal Brexit is the " will " of the people Some people think leaving without a deal is not the " will " of the people. Who is right? |
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question too difficult?
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The will of the people must be done!
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and as usual you ask a simple question and the conversation is ended.
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Either abject stupidity or disingenuous WD.
Nobody wants a No Deal but keeping it on the table is our only chance of a better deal than that currently on offer. It's like Trident. We don't want to use it but will if no other option. Every single person shouting for No Deal to be taken off the menu is doing the work of the EU. All as bad as Lord Haw Haw and should be ashamed of themselves. THE ENEMY WITHIN. |
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oh THE ENEMY WITHIN?
So what is the will of the people? |
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WD: the will was to leave; & if you're going to say people have chenged their minds, then tough as i do that all the time when gambling & it never ends well. The default position is in statute; & all attempts by Parliament to stop that are against Parliamentarian rules. They have to get legislation to stop it & i see nothing happening that way, it will happen, It doesn't matter what people think about a no-deal now as all MPs signed on to this; if it did, we may as well rip up all the statutes
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akabula 16 Aug 19 15:23
No they don't. The British people voted to leave the EU. There was no Deal or No Deal option. BTW looked up democracy and it didn't say anything about ignoring the will of the people in a vote. |
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In answer to your question. I know that leaving with No Dael is not what people want but they want out and will accept that if it is the only option for leaving that we have.
What don't you understand about the meaning of the word want in this context? |
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Baphornet 16 Aug 19 15:42
"a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and [b]exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections". you lost; stop crying[/b] |
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BTW the whole of Parliament said they would honour the result of the referendum.
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akabula 16 Aug 19 15:58 Joined:
Nobody wants a No Deal Really? |
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akabula 16 Aug 19 16:04 Joined:
BTW the whole of Parliament said they would honour the result of the referendum. Baphornet 16 Aug 19 15:42 "a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections". |
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WD we vote for a government then allow them to govern.
We don't hold a referendum to agree, or otherwise, any decisions they make. |
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akabula 16 Aug 19 16:06
WD we vote for a government then allow them to govern. We don't hold a referendum to agree, or otherwise, any decisions they make. So are you agreeing with me now? |
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Stop trying to invent reasons and not sure why you keep posting that. It doesn't lend any weight to your argument.
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you can keep posting that until i get a winner on the tennis; you're just proving my point
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akabula 16 Aug 19 16:08
Stop trying to invent reasons and not sure why you keep posting that. It doesn't lend any weight to your argument It is your argument!. |
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or what Mr Bula said
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Baphornet 16 Aug 19 16:09
you can keep posting that until i get a winner on the tennis; you're just proving my point really? Good luck on the tennis. I genuinely hope you get a winner! |
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A vote by the public is a vote. Are we going to change history. Another type of dictatorship instead. Another foreign dictatorship?
Has this been tried before? Oh no - and the same old same old trying to rule europe including us. We are just going to roll over and allow it to happen to US?? |
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Dictatorship is trying to force things through against the will of the democratic institutions.
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You're wasting your time n88
They don't even know what democracy is! But they do want their Parliament to be Sovereign. |
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you're wasting your time Mr Bula; they think democracy is telling the people to FRO, & we will do what we want. And if that means collaborating with the EU & bending over to receive the odd bratwurst, then so be it
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but just think - us old warriors could dust off our uniforms join the eu reserves ready for the next eu sponsored invasion -
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or we could just take Junckers nebuliser off him
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One of the many things I dislike about you Bap is that you never seem to take these issues seriously.
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Read the thread back from 15:35 or so when akabula wrote this
No they don't. The British people voted to leave the EU. There was no Deal or No Deal option. BTW looked up democracy and it didn't say anything about ignoring the will of the people in a vote. Since then I have asked what you two think Democracy is and what the will of the people is. tbf you came up with this "a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections". But then you have stuck your head back in the dung by trying to use it to back up your argument! You still haven't explained what the " will " of the people is. |
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Theoretically our politicians are there to represent us and in this case implement the expressed will of the people.
Realistically it's revealed they are there to play their own games, position themselves for their own benefit (Labour and the SNP in particular have had no interest in implementing the result, at least the LDs are honest), and tell us we are wrong. Well we kind of knew that but it's shown it to be clear. (Not all of them are total ****s, but a huge amount of them). This debacle has done far more damage imho than the expenses scandal. |
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Thank you for that.
I like this bit Theoretically our politicians are there to represent us With caveats but lets just say no arguments so far. Now could you kindly tell me what this means and in this case implement the expressed will of the people. I might give you and in this case meaning the result of the referendum because it has been like pulling teeth But can you define what the " will " of the people is and perhaps what people? |
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There's multiple flaws there.
#1 Politicians aren't meant to just blindly implement something, the whole point of representative democracy is they use their judgement. It's actually against the House of Commons rules of conduct to take actions you know will be bad for the country and constituents, and there's a blatant flaunting of this from many MPs who know it will be a disaster but are going along with it for their own political careers, only a few days ago the health secretary couldn't guarantee there wouldn't be deaths as a result. #2 There is no evidence that no deal is the will of the people anyway, in fact all the evidence suggests the contrary, this problem goes way back to the phrasing of the referendum. When you've got a majority of MPs actually elected on anti-no deal manifestos it's hard to say parliament rejecting no deal isn't them implementing the expressed will of the people. |