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I was trying to keep things simple n88
We are trying to communicate with.....hmmn! Don't expect an answer to your post. An intelligent answer seems to be beyond them I mean all of them combined! I asked a question and you on the other side of the debate answered! |
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I don't believe for a second Labour didn't want to implement the result, look how long Corbyn has taken to remotely move away from Brexit, and even then he's not full on remain. Labour want to implement the result and I'm pretty sure many of them still do but they don't agree with any of the offerings so far, and definitely not with no deal, nearly all of them voted for some form of leaving during the indicative votes. You could take this further and I think if Labour were in power we'd have left by now, the actual majorities in parliament lie or at least lied close to Labour's position, it's just these were ignored in the interests of the Conservative party and instead the extreme Brexiteers were pandered too when they don't have close to a majority.
SNP probably are in the small number MPs with no real intention of implementing any form of Brexit, but then what do you expect of nationalists representing heavy remain constituencies and voting base. |
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The thing is it's very easy for the person on the street or internet to shout project fear, no deal will be fine, but they have no accountability or responsibility. If it all goes wrong they will sheepishly disappear never to be heard of again. MPs have actual responsibility, take Gareth Snell, someone who desperately wants Brexit, has voted against or abstained on all motions he thinks have been designed to stop Brexit including the no deal motions. He is now saying he will have to consider the anti-no deal motions going forward because he's constantly being told by business in Stoke that no deal will devastate Stoke.
What's he to do exactly? He desperately wants to implement Brexit as his constituents voted for it (which isn't a theory I totally agree with, just giving his pov), but he's been told no deal will be devastating on his constituents. It would be a neglect of duty as an MP to vote for something you think and are being advised will be a disaster, and you certainly won't be forgiven in the future on the basis "you voted for it", firstly as I say because the person on the street has no accountability, but secondly because a leaver could easily just turn around and say well I didn't vote for no deal. |
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Whispering, do you think constantly insulting the intelligence of people obviously smarter than you (and I don't just mean me I see you do it all the time) means they will bother responding to your trolling?
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No Just Checking
I genuinely don't think they including you can answer a simple question! What is the " will " of the people? |
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You have all failed to answer what Democracy is, even with the help of Google
None of you have a clue as to what Parliamentary Democracy is and you haven't got a scooby as to what the " will " of the people is although you all consistently use it in your pathetic arguments So try answering a simple question! Prove me wrong! |
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Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?
Answer: Leave the European Union. |
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"Like I say maybe leavers should look up what democracy actually means."
Does it Mean ignoring the way People Vote .... ? |
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Pathetic Just Checking!
What is the question? |
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casemoney 16 Aug 19 21:08
"Like I say maybe leavers should look up what democracy actually means." Does it Mean ignoring the way People Vote .... ? Thank you for trying! Does it Mean ignoring the way People Vote .... ? is not an answer to what democracy actually means |
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It's the referendum question and the answer voted by the majority to the question in the biggest vote in the history of the UK. You don't even recognise it, despite your awesome superior knowledge on the subject. I don't argue with trolls so let's just leave it at that...
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Yes lets leave it at that!
You haven't got a clue Einstein! |
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Anyone else care to explain
what Democracy is? What Parliamentry Democracy is? What the will of the poeple is? |
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there is nothing greater or higher than peoples sovereignty. I could give WD a lesson on the "will of the people" & i still may do so; once he stops behaving like a supercilious enfant terrible
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just like above
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supercilious enfant terrible
I like that! I would prefer a lesson on the will of the people I have to be honest. I do not know what the will of the people is and that's the truth! Someone enlighten me pleeeeeease! I think I can google Democracy and Parliamentary Democracy. |
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Lol to hear the hypocrisy of jo swinson and her ilk refusing to back Jeremy , when her party joined with the spiv filth to impose austerity on this country a few years ago , in the end game Corbyn will probably say fook it i have no love for the EU so get on with it the you idiots
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we can but hope my friend
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Labour's Harriet Harman has been put forward as another potential temporary PM
The old PIE supporter throwing her hat in the ring  |
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don't forget about Ken Clarke; what a gruesome twosome
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Anyone else care to explain
what Democracy is? What Parliamentry Democracy is? What the will of the poeple is? I guess not! |
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what anxious says
all of the above |
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Look people. None of them are interested in you shower. Career, money and look at me me me. Talk about Me too - that organisation shouldn't have that label - it should be for politicos here. love it
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Politicos are some of the most ignorant and inward looking people I know.
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They don't even know what democracy is! But they do want their Parliament to be Sovereign.
WTF you rabbiting about with that nonsense WD. |
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WD been arguing with himself but has still to realise it.
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Democracy is a system of government where the citizens exercise power by voting.
In a representative democracy the citizens elect representatives from among themselves. A parliamentary system or parliamentary democracy is a system of democratic governance of a state where the executive derives its democratic legitimacy from its ability to command the confidence of the legislature, typically a parliament, and is also held accountable to that parliament. `The will of the people' is meaningless garbage. This is a betting site. How would you all bet if there was a 2nd referendum. I would make it 1/12 Remain, 12/1 leave. So leave the `will of the people' to people who would vote someone from Towie if they were asked to vote for a Prime Minister. At last it looks like the massive majority of sensible remain politicians from all party's are finally getting their act together and prepared to collude for the benefit of the country. I just hope they have a cunning plan to bring down the ridiculous Johnson without allowing Corbyn the enter number 10 whilst at the same time getting a 2nd referendum on the books. Then sometime next year business, individuals and hopefully a non marxist government can get on with trying to grow the economy for the benefit of everyone in the UK (the UK will not exist if we leave the EU - you so realise that BREXIT voters?????). Instead of committing self harm that will be felt for decades just because alot of people wanted to show they were a bit angry about `something' - well foreigners will do in 2016. |
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Which way did you vote then comrade?
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At last it looks like the massive majority of sensible remain politicians from all party's are finally getting their act together and prepared to collude for the benefit of the country.
Absolute twaddle. The enemy within/EU collaborators more accurate. |
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i think captain canrage needs to go back to his slumber. Sensible remain politicians go to be on a wind-up
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Not sure about EU collaborators - there was a deal that would have taken us out of the EU but bizarrely the most pro Brexit MP's voted against it lol.
All ideological zealots are brought down through their own intransigence. If we had left on the terms of that deal the economy would probably have only shrunk a bit more than other EU states over the next couple of decades. But by insisting on a hard or no deal brexit, there would be severe short term disruption to all individuals and a severe decline in the ecomony over the next 2 decades that would almost certainly result in a government being elected on a mandate to return us to the EU. The stupidity of the brexiter MP's is more dumbfounding than the millions of poor people, particularly in south wales and the north of England who voted leave despite being big net beneficiaries from EU membership and who will suffer most if and when we leave. But life is full of irony. |
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Come on then boys.
Tell me 1) How the UK stays together after we leave the EU? Scotland will undoubtedly have independence within a couple of years. 2) How our economy does not deteriorate affecting the poorest the most. Every single independent study concludes this. In fact just read 5 pages of any economics book and you will understand why. 3) How the NHS/Care system does not suffer/deteriorate badly. Are we going to beg and use what little money is left in the economy to bribe tens of thousands from India/Bangledesh and other Commonwealth countries to come and work here? |
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Carnage - who is bothered about the poor? Our politicos certainly aren't.
ps the eurozone is declining - even a thicko like me nose you shouldn't klingon to a sinking ship man the lifeboats. |
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they are all self important clowns with no interest in the ordinary people. just look at the petty bickering over who should lead this theoretical government of national unity - a laughable term in itself when it's a parliamentary stitch up to thwart the will of the biggest popular vote ever
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They overrule Brexit There will be Hell to pay
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Yet all evidence is they are doing exactly what the people want, ie. rejecting no deal, there is no evidence that is what the people want.
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And leaving the European Union doesn't have a singular outcome, there are many ways you can do it.
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The parliamentary democracy voted for a referendum to decide the issue and the referendum decided it.
People literally voted for no deal. There was no deal and the vote was to leave. |
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@n88uk When is the penny going to drop with you?
Nobody wants to leave with a No Deal. However if the EU won't renegotiate and thats our only option then the public will accept it. |
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indeed no deal has to be better than no democracy. if you don't or simply won't honour a public vote heading down a very hazardous route
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