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By:
casemoney
When: 17 Aug 19 01:42
No one wants that Route , But be assured should there be some sort of Uprising ,Full Names Pictures of the Perps will be Available within Minutes Across all platforms , Extreme right Types , Uneducated thugs who's only association with football
will be as Hooligans .. No scientists Engineers or Doctors Listed , The BEEB will be running pages for the Next 40 years on
how we avoided the Horror of Brexit and Nazi Rule in the uk .
By:
n88uk
When: 17 Aug 19 01:43

Aug 17, 2019 -- 12:36AM, tobermory wrote:


The parliamentary democracy voted for a referendum to decide the issue and the referendum decided it.People literally voted for no deal. There was no deal and the vote was to leave.


Then why have they consistently voted to reject no deal since including voting a majority of MPs who rejected no deal at the last general election?

By:
n88uk
When: 17 Aug 19 01:46

Aug 17, 2019 -- 12:37AM, akabula wrote:


@n88uk When is the penny going to drop with you?Nobody wants to leave with a No Deal.However if the EU won't renegotiate and thats our only option then the public will accept it.


It isn't our only option. The EU won't negotiate the withdrawal agreement, they will negotiate the political declaration.

By:
casemoney
When: 17 Aug 19 01:47
88 will have press cuttings in his scrap book Laugh of How fascism was thwarted in the UK Grin
By:
n88uk
When: 17 Aug 19 01:47

Aug 17, 2019 -- 12:43AM, mafeking wrote:


indeed no deal has to be better than no democracy. if you don't or simply won't honour a public vote heading down a very hazardous route


If you bypass parliament for the most important decision of a generation you are heading down an even more hazardous route.

By:
Just Checking
When: 17 Aug 19 02:07
Err .. ... It's not difficult as to see why democracy is going wrong here:
Step 1: Parliament, like Cameron, thought they would win the initial referendum. They thought it would show him/them as
        noble democrats and extinguish the "fascist" UKIP if they did so. Yay, "fox is shot!". Virtually every MP voted
        for the referendum, as they thought it wouldn't lose.
Step 2: The people told the political "Elite" to piddle off and voted the other way. Woops - if you are a politician who
        thinks they are there to rule not to serve.
        The proletariat defying us was not part of the plan.
Step 3: Constant backpedalling. They now don't WANT to appear undemocratic, but won't allow the people (who they represent)
        get their vote implemented. So we've the ridiculous situation of MPs being voted in on a "will implement" ticket who
        have no intention of doing so and never will. Dishonest politicians? Never!
(Step 3B: Corbyn doesn't give a sh1t either way as their voter base is divided and Corbyn just wants power out of it).
Step 4: The people are getting angry as they are not stupid. They can see everything that is going on.
        3 years of the majority being told they are stupid racists by a London based left wing media does not help btw.
        There is something strange about a media for 3 years patronising 52% of the country they are fascist morons
        and anyone on the other side they should be scared of the fascist morons .. getting perturbed this country might be
        angry and divided. Who could foresee THAT coming?
Step 5: If they ditch the result... The politicians who have spent 3 years saying the people's vote is sovereign then
        overturn it (as if it wasn't the plan all along) think this will be a victory for democracy and forgotten?

The only small glimmer of light is SOME politicians can see the above.

E.g. Caroline Flint, Labour, who voted Remain, every time I've heard her talk about Brexit has sounded one of the few sane
and honourable ones and I believe would agree with (most!) of what I've said above.

She's one of the few rational adults left. If Boris goes, make her PM ..
By:
n88uk
When: 17 Aug 19 02:10
Who is getting angry really. People on social media?
By:
n88uk
When: 17 Aug 19 02:13
The overwhelming majority of MPs wanted to implement the result of the referendum. They were ignored in the process for political reasons while Theresa May pandered to the far right in her party who let her down in the end anyway.

Like I said earlier if Labour had been in charge we'd have been out by now, the majorities always lied near what Labour set out (what Labour actually set out was fantasy, but we can see where it was heading). The Conservatives don't seem to realise not only do they not have a majority that their own party is split on Brexit anyway.
By:
n88uk
When: 17 Aug 19 02:18
Also anyone who thinks the media is left wing is deluding themselves. The media has a clear right wing bias, and the media that is right wing tends to be further to the right than the left wing media.

You only need to see how Corbyn is continually savaged by the overwhelming majority of media, while the likes of Farage and far rights in the Tories enjoy far more support from the media. The reasoning being obvious that capitalism will fund media, and thus have the bigger influence on it.
By:
Just Checking
When: 17 Aug 19 02:28
And with that ^^^ I realise there is no point arguing with you.
Anyone who watches e.g. BBC/C4 and thinks they are either right wing or pro brexit is has political compass pointing at Lenin.
By:
n88uk
When: 17 Aug 19 02:30
BBC that spins everything back to Corbyn having a bad day? That has consistently given Farage a massive platform normally totally unchallenged on whatever he's saying going back many years despite the fact he's never been able to win a seat as an MP?

That BBC?
By:
Captain carnage
When: 17 Aug 19 09:36
Its like trying to debate with someone smashed at 1am in a pub 88.

You can hear the anger without logic in all the comments on this thread.

None of the leavers answer any questions posed to them with any sort of rational or intelligence.

`We voted out, lets get out' is all you get. The more this is said without explanation the more previous leave voters realise what a ridiculous mistake they have made.

Right now and going forward there will be a massively bigger majority of the population of the UK who want to stay in the EU than leave. The huge bulk of politians who know this and care for the country just have to plot the right course over the next few months.
By:
1st time poster
When: 17 Aug 19 09:45
a few facts might concentrate the brexiteer loons
there has never been a deal on the table,there has been a pathway agreed towards negotiating a deal, any deal the commons wants if it can agree it with the EU
that path to a possible deal is currently no longer on the table
the reff result wont be over turned unless the electorate vote for it to be overturned

thems the facts ,the rest is just opinion at best, garbage at worst, if all opinions are considered, debated between those 3 facts,we,ll have a better debate
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Aug 19 09:58
Once we are out there should be a criminal investigation into the remainers , some deserve a life sentence in one of our modern prisons
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Aug 19 10:03
Now Ken Clarke thinks he’s going to be pm , lol
By:
1st time poster
When: 17 Aug 19 10:09
2018 now boris Johnson thinks he,s going to  be PM,  LOL

WHO,S LAUGHING NOW
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 17 Aug 19 10:11
Nobody except BJ I suspect!
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Aug 19 10:13
noooo ! .....I want to be pm :(
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Aug 19 10:18
It will be lovely to see Clarke and Greive and  Corbyn and the Lib Dem leader , whoever she is , in the dock
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Aug 19 10:29
The Brexiteers are in charge now , we are making the decisions , get used to it
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Aug 19 10:33
And once we are out we are going to make sure remainers never get the chance to vote to take us back in , ever again.
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Aug 19 10:36
tick tock :)
By:
Whisperingdeath
When: 17 Aug 19 10:46
A little early for the sherry lfc?
By:
edy
When: 17 Aug 19 10:53

Aug 17, 2019 -- 10:36AM, lfc1971 wrote:


tick tock :)


Don't be such a conformist. Real rebels do tock tick

By:
edy
When: 17 Aug 19 10:53
and free thinkers
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Aug 19 11:23
Don’t think we cannot do it . That would only make you sad
By:
edy
When: 17 Aug 19 11:42
I'm not doubting for even one second that you can do tock tick instead of tick tock. You can. I believe in you.
By:
Baphornet
When: 17 Aug 19 11:45
talking of rational or intelligence:

Right now and going forward there will be a massively bigger majority of the population of the UK who want to stay in the EU than leave.

absolue bollox with no foundation whatsoever. So captain canrage, any more gems of wisdom before you go back to playing with "88'? As for answering questions, who the hell do you think you all are that everyone has to answer yours or anyone elses supercilious tripe. I've already berated WD for talking to people like they're something he has just stood in; & here you arrive with the same mental attitude. I could rip you & your crap apart in less time than it took me to have a good fart. So behave yourself & act like a grown-up
By:
edy
When: 17 Aug 19 11:49
adorable
By:
Baphornet
When: 17 Aug 19 11:53
done any 10 year searches on other forumites lately, DS edy? I prefer adorable to supercilious
By:
edy
When: 17 Aug 19 11:54
Nah, too busy dreaming of cuddling you all day. Love
By:
Baphornet
When: 17 Aug 19 11:56
i've not had my immunisations so i don't think so deary
By:
Baphornet
When: 17 Aug 19 11:59
& before you or any other bright spark thinks of reporting me; i meant rip captain canrages verbal crap & unfounded diatribe apart. Just to clarify to the whingers on here
By:
edy
When: 17 Aug 19 12:01

Aug 17, 2019 -- 11:56AM, Baphornet wrote:


i've not had my immunisations so i don't think so deary


ugh, you are one of those anti-vaccinations loons?

By:
Baphornet
When: 17 Aug 19 12:05
tbh edy, i don't think they've invented a serum to protect against collaborators - yet
By:
edy
When: 17 Aug 19 12:09
Plenty substances out there to take care of collaborators.
By:
edy
When: 17 Aug 19 12:10
Either way, don't be scared of me. Let's cuddle Love
By:
edy
When: 17 Aug 19 12:12
(You might not be aware of this, but it's not possible to contract collaboratitis through virtual cuddling)
By:
edy
When: 17 Aug 19 12:12
(or any other diseases for that matter)
By:
lfc1971
When: 17 Aug 19 12:13
It’s quite easy to carry out a course of treatment for traitors surely ?
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