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It's a no Brexit before a no deal - 36 hours & counting
It's a no Brexit before a no deal - 36 hours & counting
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"Of course we have to compromise if we want a deal, a deal is a two way agreement."
This is self evidently correct, if you don't understand it, I honestly cannot help you. Corbyn supporter brains at their best... |
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rumours surfacing of a 225 defeat of the deal tomorrow. Now do not shoot the messenger; but when these 'rumours' surface, you can guarantee one thing. All the chatter about the house is an unmitigated slap in the chops is about to be delivered to May!
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That's not a massive enough for her to jack it in
1 for 600 against with the 1 being her She'd still pledge to fight on |
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she will never resign.
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"don't let British people down"
How she can say all this without a smile is laughable Who is she kidding? |
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herself; & other nutcases
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May and her advisors worked from a flawed interpretation of the Referendum result.
They chose to see it as an expression of public concern about immigration and money. That is why May mistakenly thinks the voters will back her if she seems to have delivered on both of those. Brussels see the mistake she has made, and has exploited it by tossing her a few crumbs on those issues and exploiting everything else as if the UK was carrion. There are deep underlying reasons why people voted Leave, and since Mays superficial analysis does not provide a solution which addresses those, one way or another she will fail The people of Britain have never as a majority wanted to cease to be a nation - they only took the bait in 1975 because they were told the 'Common Market' was just a free trade area. It is those grand lies that came home to roost in 2016. One of the main considerations is that most countries in Europe have a hard core of people for whom national identity is fundamental. This was seen most obviously in the fall out from the breakup of the former Yugoslavia where grudges between some of the states that had been forced together go back millennia. Trying to erase such national identities by the various hard and soft methods employed by the EU was and is bound to end badly. TM being a (useless) ex-home secretary only approached this with her home secretary hat on so only really got the immigration argument, she never understood the democracy, economic, and basic civil liberties arguments so they just didn’t appear on her radar. She ignored everything but 'bloody foreigners', because that is her take on what a leaver voter looks like. She even messed up the idea of reciprocal ciitizenship rights for EU citizens living and contributing to Britain, on some flawed, quasi-Thatcherite 'this lady's not for turning' trip, portraying it as a principled stand and not the act of gross imbecility it was. What a cretin! May missed her calling as head of the civil service: stubborn, bureaucratic, tenacious, unflappable. The problem is, she's PM. And that's a bad fit. |
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excellent piece Hanx
Sky now catching up with my mole; "Massive defeat looms" they now report |
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1st vote lost. Peers voted 321 to 152 against her 'baby'
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Interesting article in Figaro online ,free to read .
La France risque d'etre la plus grande perdante dual Brexit |
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Du Brexit
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thanks dunlaying, on my way
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amazing isn't it. After all the pessimism & doom forecasting; the French may be the losers. Also the Canadian wonker is being rather quiet lately, is he not. "It seems unlikely that the British economy collapses in case of "hard Brexit" So the French get more realistic reporting than the British is my conclusion
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i've just ordered a yellow vest
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And at last an actual report regarding human rights
"Labour Mp questions protection of human rights post brexit" Only took the media 2 years bless em, but its too late now isnt it so oh well Vermin |
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first news of the day. Hilary Benn has withdrawn his amendment. He's been told to do this because it gave May an out to embarrassment. Labour obviously know the trouncing is imminent. That was her last chance to escape.
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A trouncing is the only chance to get rid, and even then she's going to go out in front of the cameras and say she's going to go back to the EU
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i am interested how the MM are going to play this rout. Overboard on sympathy for the trodden 'stoic' leader? Belittling her baby/deal? Article 50 delay to gather troops? But forgetting to add that there will be a delay anyway? Shout for her resignation? I left that until last so i could finish typing without hysterical merriment overcoming my being
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The woman disgusts me, I cannot bear to see or hear her.
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ditto
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They are threatening troops on the streets because they can't get a deal out?
So the people suffer twice because of a bunch of incompetent ba*****s ? How about we remove these idiots and save the country millions? And the fact they still think troops on the streets is the answer is quite funny |
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ooer, Sky now coming up with a 226 majority, which was my little moles prediction (minus 1)
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thw worst defeat ever. About time Lizzy had a word?
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Needs to be 300+ tbh
Like I said yesterday it comes to something when a massive majority like 226 doesn't feel enough of a defeat Its like a football team getting walloped 4-0 every game but the owner is happy its not 6-0 |
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the woman has zero shame
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They are making backstop the breakthrough deal maker
When this gets voted down, off she goes and gets backstop assurance, and boom it gets voted through  She then resigns having got through a deal that removes human rights and in comes everything they wanted to do with the welfare system etc |
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Is there's a reason she's still there, there's absolutely no way she'd be there if they didn't have a plan
She's the ultimate advocate of the big brother society. Anyone else would have been removed after that shambles General Election |
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so how many are going to sit out and not vote?????
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The Tories want her to stay because any possible replacement would be even more contentious.
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I think it's because Brexit is seen as a poisoned chalice, which to some extent it was / is, given the time and effort it has taken (and would have taken, whatever negotiating stance was adopted). Any government would, by necessity, have taken its eye off the ball on other issues.
So Labour are letting the Tories / May keep bu88ering on, knowing they don't have to come up with anything remotely credible re an alternative to Brexit or other domestic policies, just wait for May to become so toxic they would win a GE by defaut. Same with any leadership challenge to MAy. Safer to get Brexit out the way and inherit a slightly cleaner slate and hope the public forgive them for the shambles they've inflicted these last 3 years - as well as expoloiting Labour's incompetence as a government in waiting. In essence, there's no real imperative for anyone to want to lead the british government at present, until Brexit (or May's Brexit) is out the way. |
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I have always thought May was like a free bet. She may indeed manage to avoid Brexit. However, if things don't go her way, she may be thrown out or have to resign. The public will obviously think it was a win for democracy and ppeople's voice bla bla but May's only job was to avoid brexit. She wouldn't have been PM otherwise. And she's already postponed it long enough.
I'm expecting her to be humiliated and then replaced by someone else that the public can whine about for the next few years. |
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If May resigns or the Tories throw her out they would have to appoint an interim PM such as Liddington or someone else 80% of the population have never heard of. The "big guns" are too identified with one side or the other to command the party.
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nice to here the drum and the bell are in good working order today.they sound splendid
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Liddington is identified already as a sleeping gnome who wants the UK to leave the EU even less than his headmisress does!
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7 hours left nutcase; get the rhetoric polished
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godd god i've just condensed that thought; Lidington as PM. I would emigrate in a heartbeat
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5 Dec 18 20:52 Joined: 02 Nov 18 | Topic/replies: 2,092 | Blogger: Baphornet's blog
i shall say this just one more time for the non-believers; Mays baby is a nonfunctioning piece of toilet paper. It just needs someone with the effrontery to tell the nutcase why didn't Lidington & the other apple-polishers tell her? Because they are all self-serving cowards that's why. Not one person in that cabinet is fit to hold office; even temporarily |
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One assumes May knows she is going to lose tonight but presumably she is hoping for something less than a landslide. Then she goes back to the EU and gets a few more crumbs and tries again.
If you won't have Liddington as an interim PM who would you have ? Difficult isn't it. You can't say Johnson or Moggy because twenty or so Tory MPs would not follow them under any circumstances. |
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Salmon Spray; it's something i wrestle with daily. There are some alteratives but very few. There are complete nono's of which Lidington & the cowards is another
I would go for someone like Bill Cash in the interim. The EU would calcify! |
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I think those 20 I mention would have the same problem with Cash as with Johnson and Moggy. Also he tends to talk in legalistic jargon which much of the time is beyond a politics buff like myself tbh.
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