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I know this is an unfair question guys but you might offer an opinion. My BSR are currently between 4.7 and 6.0 (fasting).
I am currently taking one metformin daily,my next GP appointment is in January,but I am thinking of cutting out the metformin completely,to see how I get on. If I am not doing well,then I will start retaking the metformin,think it is worth a try,any views or am I being silly. |
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Ask your GP. January isn't too long to wait.
It really is better than asking on here. Despite what you're being told, most real doctors actually know far more than the advisors on here. It would seem, btw, that you are pre-diabetic or newly diagnosed, and an ideal candidate for just losing weight and reversing the problem. As that's what you've done. 4.7 - 6.0 is not too bad. When you stop taking metformin, within days, your numbers will increase. Also, despite what you're told on here, if you DO need metformin, then you do. The weight loss/reversal of diabetes doesn't work for everyone. Again, despite what you read here. |
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Thanks studyform that is very helpful and sensible.
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Wasn't going to post anything because I've never been on this medication so haven't the practical experience to back up what I would've said.
What I will say is a GP will continue to treat the symptom (high blood sugar) not the cause (insulin resistance and high basal insulin) and it's almost guaranteed that they'll have you on medication for as long as possible,not going to knock heads with STUDYFORM on this issue anymore because he said etc. isn't helping anyone with the illness. |
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most real doctors actually know far more than the advisors on here.
Then he gives out medical advice himself. This bloke STUDYFORM is so far up his own arris it's unbelievable, despite being completely out of his depth on medical matters. And what was he a bookmaker's clerk? Says it all. |
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Ok yesterday left medication at home so gonna come off them for a week and see what happens I can always resume taking them if I need to,I will monitor blood glucose readings and post them here.
This morning pre breakfast BSR 5.4. |
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Well that's a another fine reading.
You'll do well to take a keep interest in your condition yourself, because your doctor will simply keep administering higher doses to keep your readings in check, until you end up shooting insulin. That's the usual route for the patient who's mesmerized by a GP. |
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If readings stay as they are without meds for the next week and I feel ok then I see no reason to take them.
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By the way I have declared war on diabetes,I may have lost the batle but I will win the war
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Good for you.
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Just offering good advice that was kindly given to me that's improved health and life quality all backed up by science and practice I'm definitely not a 'self appointed diabetes expert' .
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All very laudible, Denzil.
But when attributing said advice to a specific illness, which you have decided is completely curable and not hereditary is an error, imo. (both of which you have told me previously, unless I'm mistsken). And I would always advocate taking the view of a trained medical expert in the field. My responses on these threads have always been specifically about diabetes, not about general diet and health. Not only do I have diabetes, but I also live with a qualified medical expert. And I wouldn't advise anyone to do anything because each case is different and needs proper diagnosis and the correct treatment. |
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Not only do I have diabetes, but I also live with a qualified medical expert.
Don't forget to tell us when you get better. I won't hold my breath. |
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For STUDYFORM
Type 2 is reversible through diet and lifestyle and is not fundimentally hereditary you have to pursue the lifestyle that may trigger any potential hereditary susceptibility. If this weren't the case the successful societies living in rural Africa and Asia on nothing but starch and plants would've had diabetes as a high illness rate which is simply not the case in fact it's almost 0 along with heart disease etc. Those from backgrounds who previously have had low rates of these types of illnesses but now have high rates are changing their diet and lifestyle to ours which is the reason not gene related at all. This is easy to research and understand. |
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You're wasting your efforts with that one Denzil.
Blockheads who have already made up their minds are rarely bothered by the fact when they're presented. |
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Crippen, you are a pig-ignorant moron. You want to try addressing ANY of the direct contradictions of your made-up bullsiite.... Oh no, I forgot, you always choose to ignore them and either get them removed or wait a while and pretend they weren't ever written.
Denzil, I never said it's entirely hereditary, I never said diet cannot help, in fact I agree that in many (probably about half of diagnosed) cases, particularly of Pre-diabetes, diet will reverse the condition. I don't have the history of diabetes in rural Africa and I would seriously doubt that the source of your assertion was accurate. It smacks of the sort of crap that charlatans on internet websites write to sell their wares. Every case of diabetes is different, there are plenty of slim people on good diets who have it. It is incurable for about 1/2 the people who have it, and the drugs that are there to treat it are saving lives. Where necessary. |
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STUDY you should know better by now.
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I'm happy, Denzil to accept your views on diet and understand it's something you both understand and are vehement about, however I'm less inclined to agree with crippen, who is a conspiracy theorist, makes stuff up, knows nothing much about anything, and for you, is an unfortunate bedfellow.
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He never did answer this:
What exactly does STUDYPORN suffer from? Diabetes? Hypertension - Nap. Cholesterol issues? Heart disease? Psoriasis? And of course the obvious mental problems. I'd say there's a strong possibility that drink could be implicated as well. |
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Are you repeating an earlier stupid post, crippen, in a bid to keep the thread near the top (your accusation to me)? Or is it because you genuinely think it was in some way vaguely amusing (it isn't, you don't possess a sense of humour)?
You really are a twt. Anyway to indulge you and for some sport... You never did ask me it. As you can see you were talking about me and not to me. And Even if you had, why would I want to tell you? Suffice it to say, as with everything else you write on this forum, you are almost entirely wrong. But for you to apportion mental problems to me shows a massive lack of awareness of your own substantial shortcomings. Shall we look at you answering ANY of the very many questions I have put to you, or will you get the post removed again? |
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You really are a twt.
Hypertension - Nap. |
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Full bank on this one.
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BSR Last three mornings without medication
5.4,4.9,4.8. I don't know if I should stay off the meds but while readings remain like that I think I will. |
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You certainly should not take any medication with excellent readings like those. You'd be likely to send your blood sugar too low and pass out.
Looks like you only needed to adjust your diet and didn't need medication at all. This is what we've said all along, GPs can't wait to get people on drugs, because that is what they're taught to do. They don't consider any other approach. |
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This is what we've said all along, GPs can't wait to get people on drugs, because that is what they're taught to do. They don't consider any other approach.
No. It's what YOU have been saying, and it's total, utter complete, MADE-UP, scurrilous rubbish. You know nothing about anything. G. Hall. 8 or 9 is quite high if a morning, fasting reading. Check it just before, and again 2 hours after, dinner. Then talk to a doctor. Get proper advice and don't endanger your health at the whim of a no-mark like crippen. |
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STUDYFORM is an utter buffoon.
STUDYFORM - it wasn't anywhere near 8 or 9 you thick clown. G Hall, listen to him at your peril. You'll end up as sick as he is if you're not careful. |
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Advising people to take medication when it clearly isn't needed, what an idiot.
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Go and take a tablet before you give yourself a nose bleed.
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So as well as a twt, an idiot and a troll, you're a liar.
Again... WHERE have I advised taking medication? Well? |
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You told him to go and see his doctor before taking any action.
Even though his readings are now normal, where have you old him to stop taking the drug? That's the same as advising him to risk hypoglycaemia by taking drugs that obviously aren't required. |
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You should keep quiet if you don't know what you're talking about you fool.
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Took another reading two hours after breakfast this morning,it was 5.7 so that looks pretty ok. I will monitor closely and try and control it without medication.
Since I have been on metformin I have been freezing cold especially at night time,I hope this is one of the side effects and doesn't persist. |
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G Hall this approach is clearly working well for you it should be common sense to continue what you're doing without the meds as you have the practical evidence to back your findings against any counter arguments.
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Thanks denzil I have cut out as much sugar as I can, and I have greatly reduced carbs but increased protein, and drink plenty of water. It seems to be working,I am afraid that if I keep taking the meds with the change of diet,may cause the sugar levels to drop too much into the hypoglycemia territory.
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Thanks Studyform I appreciate the reply,I hope your right.
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Thanks Studyform appreciate the comments and will kept further opinion after Xmas hopefully I can beat it.
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It looks good, fwiw, imo. Mr Hall.
My own situation has improved with weight loss, as it happens, although total reversal is not probable. As with anyone who has an issue they're concerned about, I've looked into it quite deeply and as my partner (A medical professional - as I keep saying) will re-iterate, we're all different. So you need to do what is best for you. I have no more desire to argue with a twt, so I'll leave this thread here. Don't let the fear of diabetes spoil your Xmas. |
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STUDYPORN in full meltdown mode again today.
The stress he displays in his hysterical posts can't be good for his health. That 18:05 post from him is a beauty; I'll keep a copy that to remind me of what I'm dealing with when he blows his top. |