Coachbuster if it's protein related your number 3 for example is fiction sticking arbritary numbers on protein intake without any context doesn't really mean anything,excess protein is bad which we all agree on and science has known for more than a century.

slim and no belly fat

But no six pack, you need to train for that.

''The fat you eat is the fat you wear.''

That doesn't work with protein.

Read it in your voice not McDougall's

Faulty Observations Lead to High Protein Recommendations



People commonly believe: the more protein consumed the better.  This faulty thinking dates back to the late 1800s, and was established without any real scientific research.  An assumption was made that people who could afford to do so would instinctively select a diet containing the right amount of protein. After observing the diets of laborers, soldiers, and workers in Western Europe and the USA, recommendations of 100 and 189 grams of protein a day were established.9  People’s innate ability to select a proper diet is disproved by the present day popularity of burger joints, donut shops, and pizza parlors.



Further confusion about our protein needs came from studies of the nutritional needs of animals.  For example, Mendel and Osborne in 1913 reported rats grew better on animal, than on vegetable, sources of protein. A direct consequence of their studies resulted in meat, eggs, and dairy foods being classified as superior, or "Class A" protein sources and vegetable proteins designated as inferior, or "Class B" proteins.9  Seems no one considered that rats are not people.  One obvious difference in their nutritional needs is rat milk is 11 times more concentrated in protein than is human breast milk.  The extra protein supports this animal’s rapid growth to adult size in 5 months; while humans take 17 years to fully mature.



The recent popularity of high protein diets has further popularized the fallacy that “more protein is good for you.”  True, high protein diets, like Atkins, will make you sick enough to lose your appetite and temporarily lose weight, but this fact should not be extrapolated to mean high protein is healthy—in fact, the opposite is true.



The Truth Has Been Known for More than a Century



In 1903, the head of Yale’s department of biochemistry, Professor Russell Henry Chittenden, reported profound health benefits gained by cutting popular recommendations for protein held at his time by half to two-thirds (from 150 grams to 50 grams daily).  His research included detailed dietary histories and laboratory studies of his subjects.9



In the 1940s, William Rose performed experiments on people which found daily minimum protein needs to be about 20 grams a day.  Further research on men found single plant foods consumed in an amount sufficient to meet daily needs easily met these human requirements for all 8 essential amino acids.9  (A more detailed discussion of the history of protein recommendations is found in my December 2003 newsletter article:  A Brief History of Protein: Passion, Social Bigotry, and Enlightenment.)



The results of Dr. Rose's studies are summarized in the following chart, under "minimum requirements".  From the chart, it is clear that vegetable foods contain more than enough of all the amino acids essential for humans.10


(grams per day)
Amino Acids     Rose’s Minimum Requirement     Rose’s Recommend Requirement     Corn     Brown
Rice     Oatmeal
Flakes     Wheat
Flour     White
Beans     Potatoes     Sweet
Potatoes
Tryptophan     .25     .50     .66     .71     1.4     1.4     1.8     .8     .8
Phenylalaline     .28     .56     6.13     3.1     5.8     5.9     10.9     3.6     2.5
Leucine     1.10     2.20     12.0     5.5     8.1     8.0     17.0     4.1     2.6
Isoleucine     .7     1.4     4.1     3.0     5.6     5.2     11.3     3.6     2.2
Lysine     .8     1.6     4.1     2.5     4.0     3.2     14.7     4.4     2.1
Vailine     .8     1.6     6.8     4.5     6.4     5.5     12.1     4.4     3.4
Methionine     .11     .22     2.1     1.1     1.6     1.8     2.0     1.0     .8
Threonine     .5     1.0     4.5     2.5     3.6     3.5     8.5     3.4     2.1
Total Protein     20     37 (WHO)     109     64     108     120     198     82     45
                                                      
(grams per day)
Amino Acids     Taro     Asparagus     Broccoli     Tomatoes     Pumpkin     Beef Club Steak     Egg     Milk     
Tryptophan     1.0     3.9     3.8     1.4     1.5     3.1     3.8     2.3     
Phenylalaline     3.0     10.2     12.2     4.3     3.0     11.2     13.9     7.7     
Leucine     5.2     14.6     16.5     6.1     6.0     22.4     21.     15.9     
Isoleucine     3.0     11.9     12.8     4.4     4.3     14.3     15.7     10.3     
Lysine     3.4     15.5     14.8     6.3     5.5     23.9     15.3     12.5     
Vailine     3.5     16.0     17.3     4.2     4.3     15.1     17.7     11.7     
Methionine     .6     5.0     5.1     1.1     1.0     6.8     7.4     3.9     
Threonine     2.7     9.9     12.5     4.9     2.7     12.1     12.     7.4     
Total Protein     58     330     338     150     115     276     238     160

from dr mcdougall ?  ...no Denzil , i only read papers from scientific journals or from one or two highly respected folk 

but i will have a quick look anyway 

Denzil ,he will probably repeat what i already have read to be fair  ...but i'll take a look

the 'Mcdougall diet'

fookin ell ..he's really trying to make a name for himself

That's very interesting Denzil.

There's one vitamin you can't get from a plant based diet, and we're told it's important.

B12, vegans and vegies are advised to take this as a supplement.

The body can store it too.

So there's 2 of them and they're mates.
2 GP's writing books. Never been heard of before.

8. Sun exposure is crucial Apr/Sept this far north ...sunlight exposure UVA at other times also
   is beneficial for nitric oxide and serotonin

New one on me, but like anything... too much isn't good, do people who live in permanently sunny places have better health?

Vitamin D Studyform , pretty hard to find in food source tbf  ...  it's not a major issue unless you hide away from the sunlight  deliberately or spend a lot of time indoors (old folk)  (something that some folk do ) I have seen folk in the UK walk around with sun umbrellas just to walk down the road  ,the sort of thing you might otherwise see in LA .
  Sunny countries ? .... better health ? i guess that depends on 101 other things really  ...but i personally think that is generally healthier to live in a sunny country for the purpose of getting out and getting exercise ...esp if you suffer from SAD
I don't think it would be obvios you were vitD deficient for a number of years ,but it is supposed to be a big player in the scheme of things

it used to be added to Corn flakes when i was a kid ...which is why it was called the sunshine breakfast

If you take Vitamin D3, you should take it with K2 as to help with absorption.

You can get the two in one pill.

No meat or fish only milk products.

you can overdose on supp vit D which isn't good ,but cannot overdoe from sunshine vit d which is a hormone