Forums
There is currently 1 person viewing this thread.
These 569 comments are related to the topic:
I hate the liberal left (A view on Tommy Robinson)

Post your reply

Text Format: Table: Smilies:
Forum does not support HTML
Insert Photo
Cancel
Page 9 of 15  •  Previous | 1 | ... | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | ... | 15 | Next
sort by:
Show
per page
Replies: 569
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 05 Aug 18 21:46
The reason those countries are currently top is (at a guess) family reunion and marriages to people already in the UK.

If we move to a merit based system there is no reason these numbers will increase unless the people from those 4 countries have the specific skills the UK economy requires. They will compete with all the other countries in the world including the EU 27.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 05 Aug 18 21:51
I am certain we have explained all this to you before UB and you went off with your tail between your legs.

Then of course you bring it back up on this thread.

Have you worked out your own reasons why you think Tommy is far right yet?
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 05 Aug 18 21:55
I do not agree it is a bad thing but Brexit does nothing to address non-EU immigration. How many was it last year? This year? Any reason it would be less next year?

Even if non-EU immigration is staunched (unlikely) EU-returners reduce the proportion of white, European, Christian migrants overall and the complexion of our society will keep on changing.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 05 Aug 18 21:57

I am certain we have explained all this to you before UB and you went off with your tail between your legs.


Really? I missed that. Bring back your victory thread.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 05 Aug 18 22:01
Estimated non-EU net migration, meanwhile, is 227,000 a year—the highest level recorded since 2011. It has been almost consistently higher than EU migration for decades.

From a 30 sec google search.

Brexit would increase this number.

Comment, IT?
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 05 Aug 18 22:03
timbuctooth
You are just trolling.
Not only do you want to back up a virtual "buddy" on here in some sort of quiz on here, but you want ME to arrange it and, it seems, give you odds.
And now you're asking me to go through 19,000 posts since 2005 (the 1st 5 years of which are lost) to prove myself to you.
I wasn't "Spouting" about large bets, I made a comment to someone else - not you - after he told me I was of limited intellect, that I'd have a large bet (figure of speech) I knew more than him.
You carried it forward to this.... so set up a quiz, against either, or both of you. I'll play

Otherwise, stop the crap... you're posting like a petulant 15 year old in the playground
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 05 Aug 18 22:05
In 2015 287,000 non EU migrants entered the UK to stay for 12 months or more

112,000 Students
38,000 Family reunion
12,000 Asylum
74,000 To work on a capped visa system - 30% of these were from intra-company transfers.

All those coming for work had a reason. Were sponsored with a job etc. It was 74k gross. By all accounts those 74k are good for the UK. They are on specific work visas.

This is massively different from anyone who wants being able to come in from the EU.

We have been through this SO many times.

Have you worked out your own reasons why you think Tommy is far right yet?
By:
timbuctooth
When: 05 Aug 18 22:10
So, that`s still a `no` then.
You instigated challenges of large bets, it`s down to you to back up such spouting, NOT those you`re challenging.
19,000 posts, and you can`t find ONE that`s not tosh? CHORTLE!!!
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 05 Aug 18 22:14
Nice try. But.. 227,000 is the NET non-EU migration figure Insider Trader. 227,000 MORE coming in than going out. And these figures from '17, more recent than yours.
By:
timbuctooth
When: 05 Aug 18 22:14
This little quiz episode is so symbolic of the leftoes, on a wider scale; they bombard with bluster, hot air, and bullying tosh, only to run away, deflect and obfuscate as soon as challenged. Pathetic.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 05 Aug 18 22:15
People coming here on actual work visas in 2015:

1. India
2. USA
3. Australia
4. Japan
5. China

Mainly working information and communication, science, finance, health.

This is exactly the kind of immigration that adds value to the economy UB.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 05 Aug 18 22:17
unitedbiscuits
05 Aug 18 22:14
Joined: 27 Jan 02
| Topic/replies: 8,838 | Blogger: unitedbiscuits's blog
Nice try. But.. 227,000 is the NET non-EU migration figure Insider Trader. 227,000 MORE coming in than going out. And these figures from '17, more recent than yours.

^

Yes but they are not all coming to work.

Those coming to work are not mainly from the countries you listed in scare mongering tactics.

These are skilled people. If they do not have a job they cannot come. Most are on Tier 1 and Tier 2 work visas.

They are not coming to pick fruit or work in a bar (unless they are on a short term youth work visa from Australia etc).
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 05 Aug 18 22:26
This is supposedly Insider Trader's area of concern and expertise, but Govts own statistics contradict his claim:


//www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/articles/migrationsincethebrexitvotewhatschangedinsixcharts/2017-11

This shows that non-EU migration has been bigger than EU migration in each and every of the last ten years and nowhere on that timeline supports his 74k figure. Never below 100k in fact, IT.

Over to you.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 05 Aug 18 22:30
I am talking about people on work visas for tier 1 and tier 2 skilled jobs and on temporary youth work visas..

You are talking about the combined number of people coming to study, family reunion, asylum and those for work (in the 3 areas listed above).
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 05 Aug 18 22:31
Yes but they are not all coming to work.

When are they all going back then? The net gain is over 100k every single year, with no prospect of change cos of Brexit.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 05 Aug 18 22:32
The Govt is talking about a NET gain in non-EU migration year on year.

Link provided.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 05 Aug 18 22:35
You are claiming MORE will come from Pakistan, India, Nigeria and Bangladesh to WORK if Brexit happens.

I am explaining most who do come do not come to work. Only India on your list is in the top 5 of countries people come to WORK and they are on Tier 1 and Tier 2 work visas.

Are you suggesting the number will increase for family reunion, study and asylum from your 4 countries will increase due to Brexit?

Have you worked out your own reasons why you think Tommy is far right yet?
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 05 Aug 18 22:41

Aug 5, 2018 -- 10:14PM, timbuctooth wrote:


This little quiz episode is so symbolic of the leftoes, on a wider scale; they bombard with bluster, hot air, and bullying tosh, only to run away, deflect and obfuscate as soon as challenged. Pathetic.


Are you fishing or trolling...
come on which is it?
The "episode" is of your making!

What do you want me to do, write the fecking questions?

I told you. Find a fair impartial, independent quiz, I'll play.
What isn't clear about that?

It's only the 3rd time I've said it.

By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 05 Aug 18 22:46
As EU nurses, plumbers etc return from a newly hostile environment, more non-EU workers will be needed, that is logical and very probable.
But even if the number of non-EU migrants stays the same (no reason it would lessen because of Brexit) the overall complexion would change. The profile would be less white, less European and less Christian. In short, less like us.
By:
timbuctooth
When: 05 Aug 18 22:49
This episode is NOT of my making; resist a lifetime of leftie habits, stop lying. You gave it the big`un, the onus is on you to justify such claims, so stop wriggling, stop deflection attempts, or be forever quiet on the matter.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 05 Aug 18 22:50
Why would the complexion change? And why does it matter what race and religion people are if they are here to work in highly skilled jobs and respect the Crown and our culture and laws?

How many skilled plumbers would get a work visa from Poland compared to India? I don't know the answer to that but why should both not be given the same chance if we actually specifically need plumbers because British born people are unable to do plumbing?
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 05 Aug 18 22:55
I have been quiet - you're the one going on.

What exactly would you like me to do?
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 05 Aug 18 22:57
If we look at the NHS India and the Philipines are already number 1 and 2 and what is wrong with that is they have the skills and we need them? Why do they have to be from the EU?

British    976,288
Indian    18,348
Philippine    15,391
Irish    13,016
Polish    8,477
Spanish    6,781
Portuguese    6,725
Italian    6,044
Nigerian    5,405
Zimbabwean    3,899
Romanian    3,775
Pakistani    3,375
Greek    2,952
German    2,400
Ghanaian    2,345
Malaysian    2,201
Australian    2,040
Jamaican    1,708
RSA    1,628
Dutch    1,580
French    1,553
Nepalese    1,539
Sri Lankan    1,244
Mauritian    1,221
Hungarian    1,187
American    1,179
Lithuanian    1,117
Egyptian    1,078
Bulgarian    990
Canadian    840
Chinese    807
Slovak    806
Kenyan    684
Czech    681
Swedish    679
NZ    612
Bangladeshi    598
Trinidadian    594
Sierra L    503
Ugandan    489
Sudanese    469
Zambian    465
Latvian    451
Cypriot    428
Finnish    380
Danish    371
Brazilian    360
Belgian    359
Singaporean    359
Iranian    341
Austrian    334
Maltese    329
Thai    294
Iraqi    289
Burmese    273
Cameroonian    260
Croatian    256
Somali    253
Japanese    239
Norwegian    238
Mauritanian    235
Gambian    213
Malawian    202
Russian    185
Turkish    166
Estonian    162
Ukrainian    160
Swiss    157
Congolese    153
Eritrean    153
Libyan    153
Syrian    148
Afghan    144
Jordanian    144
Tanzanian    141
Guyanese    140
Slovenian    132
Nigerien    119
Barbadian    108
Colombian    108
Korean    104
Albanian    100
Central AR    89
Serbian    88
Ethiopian    87
HK    85
Algerian    81
Saint Lucian    71
Israeli    68
Indonesian    67
Bruneian    57
Moroccan    57
Fijian    55
Grenadian    51
Lebanese    51
Rwandan    50
Motswana    49
Ivorian    47
Peruvian    46
Mexican    43
Venezuelan    42
Caymanian    40
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 05 Aug 18 22:58
Why would the complexion change? 80% of the world is not white and not Christian. It is less like us. Europe is on our doorstep and we share a heritage.
By:
timbuctooth
When: 05 Aug 18 23:02
So that`s a `no`, then?
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 05 Aug 18 23:03
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-britain-india-immigrants-accept-more-free-trade-deal-diplomat-warning-yk-sinha-a8073516.html

India want UK to accept more immigrants if it wants a free-trade deal.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 05 Aug 18 23:06
Just parking the above on the Tommy Robinson thread.
Something to consider.
By:
unitedbiscuits
When: 05 Aug 18 23:06
Goodnight.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 05 Aug 18 23:06
OK now I know you're trolling and being even more stupid than usual.
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 05 Aug 18 23:07
India already has lots of tier 1 and tier 2 people coming here.

We do not have to accept their terms. Why would we if they are the same as the EU?

In terms of the NHS...

61,537 EU27 people work in NHS from a population of 3,800,000. This is 1.6%.
976,288 British people work in NHS from a population of 58,500,000. This is 1.7%.

Why if we decrease immigration will we need to get more nurses and doctors from anywhere and why would the proportions change?
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 05 Aug 18 23:10
So in terms of the NHS put simply the newcomers (in numbers terms) serve the newcomers.

If we have less people we need less workers. Or if we bring in less people in the future we will need to bring in less NHS staff.
By:
timbuctooth
When: 05 Aug 18 23:33
OK, study, you clearly won`t be able to prove your claims. Just want to clarify, with facts and evidence, for the benefit of those you have tried to hoodwink with lies to the contrary, that you started this episode, and wriggled when challenged

STUDYFORM    05 Aug 18 16:55 
`...But I'd still have a very big bet that I know more about nearly everything than you do...`

My first response to this was over an hour later.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 05 Aug 18 23:49
You're taking the p1ss.

I've said I'll do it 5 times now
. You've joined in a conversation that didn't involve you, hijacked the need to carry it through, not answered me, tried to rally a few troops and been an ****.

I'm not wriggling out of anything. HOW would you like to proceed with this. Try answering me. It's the last time I'm offering to take you on, you seem to be bottling the idea by trolling.

There is only one person on this entire forum I would be worried about quizzing against and he isn't here. You present no challenge. So just say how you wish this event to take place and we shall do it.
By:
timbuctooth
When: 05 Aug 18 23:58
You spouted claims, you`re the one who needs to back then up; no amount of wriggling changes that. Your inability to do so is not something you can deflect your way out of.
I`ve enjoyed today, the most fun you lefties have given us in a while.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 06 Aug 18 09:00
It's like Mr Burns telling me to "shave off those sideburns"
By:
lfc1971
When: 06 Aug 18 09:03
Studyform there is a difference between knowledge and understanding that’s where  you are going wrong

Don’t confuse one with the other
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 06 Aug 18 09:19
I'm content that I possess both.
You telling me about confusion is basically weird.
By:
flushgordon1
When: 06 Aug 18 10:18
This is like Rocky MCMLXXXVI.
By:
Facts
When: 06 Aug 18 10:53
InsiderTrader    05 Aug 18 12:17 
Sure I know how things are funded.

You seriously believe that the reason TR started the EDL and continues to speak out, risks his life, risk jail etc is to make money?



Why did Robinson head up the well known racist organisation the English Defence League ?
By:
InsiderTrader
When: 06 Aug 18 11:04
What was racist about the EDL? It had members from all races.
Page 9 of 15  •  Previous | 1 | ... | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | ... | 15 | Next
sort by:
Show
per page

Post your reply

Text Format: Table: Smilies:
Forum does not support HTML
Insert Photo
Cancel
‹ back to topics
www.betfair.com