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By:
moisok
When: 09 Aug 18 21:04
this lot love to gang up 

they did it to corbyn and still do,  farage, the eu election vote, brexit , ukip boris etc etc etc
By:
twizzle22
When: 09 Aug 18 21:14
Dear friend of Tommy Robinson,

Tommy just phoned me.

He’s supposed to be having a quiet vacation with his family.

But he can’t.

He’s had to go to the hospital twice, because of the physical abuse he suffered in prison.

They starved him. He lost 40 pounds in two months. He clearly has a form of post-traumatic stress, too, from being locked up in solitary confinement for so long, and being constantly threatened with violence from Muslim prison gangs.

You can see that just by watching the video of him when he was released. He’s not quite himself yet.

He will get better.

Even just being out of prison, and playing with his kids, will help him heal.

But Tommy told me the bad news: they want to send him back to prison.

Three weeks from now.

September 4, at Old Bailey.

It’s outrageous.

Just last week the Court of Appeal confirmed that Tommy was improperly tried, improperly convicted, improperly sentenced, and improperly imprisoned. That’s why they set him free. It was a total vindication of everything Tommy had said.

But now the UK government wants to do it all over again.

Here, watch this short video, I’ll explain:



They’re not done with Tommy.

They want to put him through a second trial — for the exact same thing, his Facebook livestream that day back in May, in Leeds.

They want to put him in prison again.

That will probably kill him.

You saw him after two months in solitary confinement. Now imagine him after 13 months.

Tommy is in jeopardy. So Tommy phoned me and asked me to help him one more time.

Just until he’s better.

And I told him I would.

Tommy asked me to send this e-mail to everyone who signed up to his own website, letting them know what’s happening. He approved this e-mail.

He needs help to pay for the lawyers — because they’ve got to prepare for that September hearing.

So I’ve talked to the lawyers. They’re already working on it.

And I’ve set up the SaveTommy.com crowdfunding page again.

The British government has unlimited funds. I think they’re trying to break Tommy — physically, psychologically and now financially.

There’s no way he can do this by himself. But if enough of us stand together with him, we’ve got a chance.

Can you please go to SaveTommy.com to help? 100% of the funds will go to pay for the lawyers. Any surplus will go to Tommy’s wife and kids.

I thought we were done last week with the Court of Appeal victory. But we’re not. The UK government wants to fight with Tommy — now that they think he’s weakened.

Well, they forgot about one thing — they forgot about us, didn’t they?

Please go to SaveTommy.com — and let’s help our friend one last time.

Yours truly,

Ezra Levant

P.S. Please help with Tommy’s legal fees. His lawyers need to prepare for the case immediately. You can do that here.

P.P.S. We’re also starting a massive petition, that we will personally deliver to the new Attorney General, demanding that they suspend their persecution of Tommy. He’s already served two months in prison improperly — it’s astounding that the UK government wants him to serve more time. Please sign our petition here.
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By:
edy
When: 09 Aug 18 21:19

Aug 9, 2018 -- 8:51PM, Dr Crippen wrote:


No it hasn't, that's simply your way of playing down the mess that Labour finds themselves in. The term far right must also apply to Labour if it is valid in the case of Tommy Robinson.Both are targeting ethnic groups, which is a trait of the right used as the criterion here.


uh...no, anti-semitism has never been exclusive to the far-right, or far-left, or centre, or anything.

As two very wise men agreed in 2016

edy • December 22, 2016 10:46 AM GMT

The NSDAP was a mixture. Throw in some social crumbs towards the massively struggling workership to secure their support, coupled with stranger blaming ethno-nationalism and a strong authoritarian leaderhip. Overall, the party was nowhere near socialist. It was propaganda. The key point of socialism is to put the means of production into social ownership and democratic control. Hitler was a strong opponent of that and never even dreamed of doing that despite having totalitarian power.

The part that ended up making the NSDAP and Germany dangerous was the strong ethno-nationalism, which resulted in mass exclusion, murders and war to take the living space from undeserving "sub-humans" and occupy it with people of the much superior ethnicity.

Also, if you truly think liberalism and socialism are one and the same, you're badly mistaken too.

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Dr Crippen • December 22, 2016 11:00 AM GMT
That's correct edy,

Hitler talked about nationalising the banks at one point, but as soon as the Nazis gained power all that was abandoned and they even abolished the unions.

The Nazis openly demonstrated their hatred of the Jews. Yet that did not deter those on the left from supporting them.
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edy • December 22, 2016 11:07 AM GMT
There has long been lingering anti-semitism among the left too, yes. The supposed "money-jew" as their opponent back then. Now the anti-semitism in form of putting Israel under scrutinty and suspicion that *probably* wouldn't happen if it was any random non-jewish state with the same policies and problems.

By:
timbuctooth
When: 09 Aug 18 22:13
Extremist muslims? Tick
School shootings? Tick
Child abuse? Tick
Infanticide? Tick
Exorcisms? Tick

Will our lefties dare criticise islam, even after this? Probably not.

Man arrested at 'extremist Muslim' New Mexico compound was training kids to commit school shootings: documents


Children at compound were being trained for school attacks

11 malnourished children rescued from a New Mexico compound linked to 'extremist Muslims' were being trained to commit school shootings, court documents show; William La Jeunesse reports.

The father of a missing 3-year-old who was arrested at a New Mexico compound linked to "extremist Muslims" last week was training children to commit school shootings, court documents filed on Wednesday revealed.

Prosecutors allege Siraj Ibn Wahhaj, 39, was conducting weapons training on the compound, where 11 children were found hungry and living in squalor. They asked Wahhaj, who appeared in court on Wednesday, be held without bail.
new mexico compound

Prosecutors alleged in court documents filed Wednesday that Siraj Ibn Wahhaj, 39, was training children to commit school shootings.  Wahhaj is the son of a Brooklyn imam, also named Siraj Wahhaj, who was named by prosecutors as an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, the New York Post reported.

Authorities raided the compound on Friday after a monthslong search investigating the disappearance of Abdul-ghani Wahhaj, a boy with severe medical issues who went missing from Georgia in December.

DAD ARRESTED AT 'EXTREMIST' NEW MEXICO COMPOUND PLANNED 'EXORCISM,' TIED TO TERROR-LINKED IMAM, REPORT SAYS

On Monday, a child's remains were found on the property, but authorities were working on a positive identification and did not confirm if the remains were that of the missing boy.

Lucas Morton, Jany Leveille, 35, Hujrah Wahhaj, 38, and Subhannah Wahhaj, 35, were also arrested on the property on Friday and all face child abuse charges.
The makeshift compound — located near the Colorado border — was found shielded by old tires, wooden pallets and other debris. Upon authorities' arrival, Wahhaj was "heavily armed with an AR15 rifle, five loaded 30 round magazines, and four loaded pistols, including one in his pocket when he was taken down," Taos County Sheriff Jerry Hogrefe said.

The sheriff said the children, ages 1 to 15, "looked like third world country refugees not only with no food or fresh water, but with no shoes, personal hygiene and basically dirty rags for clothing.”

New Mexico compound believed to have Islamic extremist ties

The only food investigators found were some potatoes and a box of rice inside a dirty trailer, the sheriff said, adding that the living conditions were “the ugliest looking, filthiest” he’s ever seen.

Hogrefe previously said the occupants of the compound were "most likely heavily armed and considered extremist of the Muslim belief."

In a warrant made public on Monday, Wahhaj told the missing boy's mother that he wanted to perform an "exorcism" on his then-3-year-old son because he was "possessed by the devil." The missing child reportedly suffered from seizures and couldn't walk.
This Aug. 5, 2018 photo shows debris outside the location where people camped near Amalia, N.M. Three women believed to be the mothers of 11 children found hungry and living in a filthy makeshift compound in rural northern New Mexico have been arrested, following the weekend arrests of two men, authorities said Monday, Aug. 6.

Wahhaj’s family background was already controversial prior to his arrest.

In addition to his father reportedly being named by prosecutors as an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 bombing, the elder Wahhaj, who heads Masjid At-Taqwa mosque, was a character witness in the trial for Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, the notorious “blind sheikh” who was convicted in 1995 of plotting terror attacks in the U.S.

www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/08/man-arrested-at-new-mexico-compound-was-training-kids-to-commit-school-shootings-court-documents-say.html
By:
trilby22
When: 10 Aug 18 09:29
Thank you that, Twizz.

Signed!

SaveTommy.com
By:
trilby22
When: 10 Aug 18 09:29
https://www.therebel.media/save_tommy_robinson_again
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 10 Aug 18 09:51
uh...no, anti-semitism has never been exclusive to the far-right, or far-left, or centre, or anything.

So if targeting ethnic groups is not what qualifies people to be called far-right then what does?

How can Tommy Robinson be called far right for targeting an ethnic group when those doing similar in the Labour party are not?

What exactly qualifies Tommy Robinson for being called far-right?
By:
edy
When: 10 Aug 18 10:05
By Dr Crippen on 21 Jan 15 17:09
Islam is not a race.


Also, IT posted a wikipedia definition of what constitutes far-right earlier.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 10 Aug 18 10:22
So you cant answer the question yourself?
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 10 Aug 18 10:27
Here it is again, in your own words.

What exactly qualifies Tommy Robinson for being called far-right?
By:
edy
When: 10 Aug 18 10:28
I believe there are some rather strong nationalistic and reactionary tendencies to him.
By:
edy
When: 10 Aug 18 10:29
I agree with your other point in so far, that "mere" racism isn't enough to be considered far-right. That alone only qualifies someone as a massive jerk.
By:
lfc1971
When: 10 Aug 18 10:31
He’s a conservative with a small c, perhaps a liberal
By:
lfc1971
When: 10 Aug 18 10:33
the old fashioned sort
By:
edy
When: 10 Aug 18 10:35
No, the old fashioned sort of conservative was steadfast, law-abiding, always mannered, hard working, just towards everyone.
By:
edy
When: 10 Aug 18 10:36
This new wave of paranoid crybaby conspiracy loving wannabe conservatives are putting eternal shame on proper conservatives.
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 10 Aug 18 10:37
I believe there are some rather strong nationalistic and reactionary tendencies to him.

Well lets have them.
By:
edy
When: 10 Aug 18 11:01
Simply assuming that someone who was a member of the British National Party, leader of a group called English Defence League, and member of British Freedom party at various points in his life might have some nationalistic tendencies. Could of course be wrong.
By:
lfc1971
When: 10 Aug 18 11:30
I wasn’t giving him a character reference edy , merely commentating on his political viewpoint
By:
lfc1971
When: 10 Aug 18 11:33
You see the old fashioned socialist was hard working , steadfast, well mannered , law abiding , just towards everyone in the past as well

At least in England
By:
lfc1971
When: 10 Aug 18 11:43
They may still exist I suppose , anythings possible
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 10 Aug 18 11:44
Dennis Healy was once a member of the Communist party.

He held many senior positions in the Labour party, and even went on to become deputy leader of the Labour party.
According to edy's thinking we had a Marxist working in the government.

You'll have to do better than that edy.

TR is not a member of any of those groups you mention.
By:
edy
When: 10 Aug 18 11:48
I'll remember that next time you declare McDonnell a Marxist.
By:
lfc1971
When: 10 Aug 18 12:02
We never know what they are until they are in power and have total power
That is what has saved us in Britain , we the people have the power
Of course that can change , let’s see how Brexit goes
If they do not leave the EU completely and totally then the power has shifted from us ,to them

That’s very dangerous
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 10 Aug 18 12:06
What makes you think McDonnell has abandoned the communist ideology?
He seems reluctant to say it.
By:
edy
When: 10 Aug 18 12:07
Didn't you just claim that people with senior positions in the Labour party can't be Marxist?
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 10 Aug 18 12:18
How did I do that?
By:
lfc1971
When: 10 Aug 18 12:19
The point is in Britain it doesn’t matter he will not get elected as a Marxist , Healy did not get elected as a Marxist
The Labour Party was not Marxist and could not act like Marxists when in power

The danger is if that changes
By:
lfc1971
When: 10 Aug 18 12:21
It’s not possible to be a Marxist in that sense in Britain
Why ? because to be a Marxist means you need to overthrow democracy
You see it’s impossibke to be a Marxist in a democracy
By:
edy
When: 10 Aug 18 12:21
It sounded like you meant to say Dennis Healy, having been a former member of the communist party, wasn't a marxist on the simple basis of having held senior positions in the labour party. I guess then you meant to say he had joined the communist party by accident and never shared their beliefs.

Just like Tommy Robinson joined three nationalistic groups/parties at different times by accident. Not cool of you to insist on him being a proper moron who would have that happen to him that many times. Not cool at all, buddy.
By:
lfc1971
When: 10 Aug 18 12:24
I am saying it doesn’t matter , he can’t do anything whatsoever unless we allow it
Marxists don’t like that , and that’s why effectively he wasn’t one , he may or may not have been
We didn’t allow it
By:
Dr Crippen
When: 10 Aug 18 12:24
You still can't show how Tommy Robinson can be of the far-right, without tarring anti-Semitic members of the Labour party with the same brush.

They both target ethnic groups.
By:
edy
When: 10 Aug 18 12:24
along with him buddying up with identitarians by accident.
By:
edy
When: 10 Aug 18 12:24

Aug 10, 2018 -- 12:24PM, Dr Crippen wrote:


You still can't show how Tommy Robinson can be of the far-right, without tarring anti-Semitic members of the Labour party with the same brush.They both target ethnic groups.


edy • August 10, 2018 10:29 AM BST
I agree with your other point in so far, that "mere" racism isn't enough to be considered far-right. That alone only qualifies someone as a massive jerk.

By:
Dr Crippen
When: 10 Aug 18 12:28
McDonnell is careful not denounce Marxism, because should he ever be in a position of power and were criticised for implementing communist ideology, he could turn around and say ''well I never said I wasn't a communist and you elected me.''
By:
lfc1971
When: 10 Aug 18 12:35
As long as people can vote , he can’t hide
By:
lfc1971
When: 10 Aug 18 12:39
Now the danger is that he , and people like him , and those who would vote for those people
Will try and stop people voting , that’s what they can not be trusted not to try and do
They are trying now to do that with Brexit
By:
lfc1971
When: 10 Aug 18 12:45
We see the same people in America trying their darndest to overthrow Trump
And they don’t care how they do it
By:
lfc1971
When: 10 Aug 18 12:47
They don’t care how people vote
By:
lfc1971
When: 10 Aug 18 12:50
As the op says , that is the ‘liberal left ‘
, they can only be what they are , that is what they are like
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