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Point is lfc, if you took a billion Chinese dna samples you wouldn't find a defining characteristic that wasn't found in a German or Somalian.
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I don’t care about dna
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I "denigrate" everyone following a so called faith steeped in the values Islam incorporates. You spend half your time ranting on about racism Porcupine and the second half saying there is no such thing as race... are you on some form of medication and if not.. why not? A crazed lunatic may decide to worship a dead badger in the garden, if you take away the badger discriminating against his religion you are racist then and open to being jailed by the precious laws you keep quoting.
You can't use one law for muslims and other laws for different groups.. if I decide to worship the cactus on my windowsill and my wife decides not to water it or throws it in the bin can she be jailed for racism as it's my new adopted religion by definition? Incidentally the comment about their not being races but stating racism exists is embarrassing as racism by law is defined as " prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior." |
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Jesus wept, what is it with you and your stupid comparisons. You can't just debate like a grown up but have to compare a mainstream religion to worshipping a bottle or banging on about trespassing hundreds of years ago.
As for race v racism I've tried to be helpful. Racism covers religions. It just does. Write 4 signs saying all muslims/jews/blacks/spaniards are paedos and you will be charged with the same offence every time. No difference. As for race, I said it is a political construct. Do try to keep up. |
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you have to differentiate between genuine concern and fear of any organisation or religion from the charge of racism
Tgat is a very big danger because it stops progress and puts peoples lives in danger |
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You need to stop being obsessed with labels and terms porcupine such as racism blindly thrown about crying over what the law says or doesn't say pedantically trying to find silly arguments over there being no race but racism. I couldn't care less what your little student law textbook says about "racism", I discriminate against behaviour which is religion and not skin tone or country of origin. You're too backwards to grasp analogies so no point making them if you can't understand a simple comparison of how rounding up religion under the racism umbrella is fundamentally wrong. If my religion commands me to shoot you in the head, do you condemn my religion and become a racist by your definition? Why should I accept people following a book based on a dirty paedophile inciting mass murder ? If a religion is inhumane such as Islam stuck in the dark ages I condemn anyone following it and so should any other sane person.
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it’s not good enough for a religion to say , these are our beliefs , this is how we want to live and this is the kind of country and laws that we want to live under
And you have to respect these things , ah well no I don’t Not necessarily |
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If you are prejudiced against muslims en masse you are racist. It's just that simple.
Anti-Semitism, racist. Trump's travel ban, racist. Rohingya genocide, racist. Putting bacon on the door of a mosque, racist. If you think you are superior to another person based purely and solely on the religion he follows then you are a racist. Own it. |
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PP talking like a D grade sixth form sociology student on this thread.
PorcupineorPineapple 04 Jun 18 00:24 Joined: 03 Dec 15 | Topic/replies: 4,906 | Blogger: PorcupineorPineapple's blog You do understand there's a bit of a diffetence between criticising a faith and denigrating everyone who follows it? Imo, Islam - like them all - is daft. Ramadam, veils, pork, booze. PorcupineorPineapple 04 Jun 18 01:04 Joined: 03 Dec 15 | Topic/replies: 4,906 | Blogger: PorcupineorPineapple's blog If you are prejudiced against muslims en masse you are racist. It's just that simple. If you think you are superior to another person based purely and solely on the religion he follows then you are a racist. Own it. ^ PP is saying it is OK to criticise Islam like he has above. This is exactly what TR did on Good Morning Britain and yet for some bizarre reason PP thinks TR is racist. |
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are you ready for your test it?
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Halal meat being fed at OUR KIDS schools = Racist... the choice given is eat it or bring a packed lunch ... Why the fcuk is this allowed .
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Donny as you well know that was a generic guide from 2 years ago. I had obviously already seen that just from googling.
I was asking for a list of cases with specific restrictions which you could not provide. As others have said you are making things up as you go along. |
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its not just a list of restrictions it answers your questions as to how you find out about restrictions
or were you simply trolling? |
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'In March 2014 the Law Commission recommended that there should be a single publicly accessible
website enabling the media and members of the public to find out if an order had been made under s.4(2) of the Contempt of Court Act 1981.107 This website would include a restricted area where, for a charge, certain users could find out the details of the reporting restriction and could sign up for automated alerts of new orders. At the time of writing, this website had not been established. ' I asked you for a link to this website that had not been established back in 2016. And you simply link to the same pdf doc. Donny if anyone is trolling it is you. How can the public find out this information. Even if they had established the website only 'certain users' would be able to access it. I ask you again how is a member of the public outside the court commenting on social media supposed to know if a restriction is in place? |
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Why so many questions of everyone, Insider Trader?
Here are some for you. What are you trying to achieve on this forum? I've seen it asked, but never answered... where (approximate will do) do you live? Do you EVER post on any other topic than promoting the right(ish) position on several political 'discussions'? |
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Sure
What are you trying to achieve on this forum? Nothing. Just chatting about current affairs the same as you or anyone else. I've seen it asked, but never answered... where (approximate will do) do you live? Was in London for many years. Now in another town in the south east. Do you EVER post on any other topic than promoting the right(ish) position on several political 'discussions'? I comment on anything to do with civil liberties. So the snoopers charter I opposed. The EU undemocratically deciding policies I oppose. Uncontrolled immigration without consultation I oppose. Unaccountable corporations and banks deciding policies I oppose. Estate agents not licenced I oppose. Police cuts on patrol I oppose. The law being applied differently to different groups I oppose. |
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you also asked questions such as the one posed at 10.22
why would you ask such a question if the answer was already known to you it... internet troll ? |
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IT - that's quite the jump. So Tommy has had one public appearance, where he said one thing and I've leapt to a massive conclusion?
If Tommy had solely criticised the faith and had also expressed equally vocal criticism for others so as not to just single out one repeatedlty then I would apologise. But we both know I don't need to. |
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STUDYFORM, I also oppose child abuse. In fact any kind of abuse of power.
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IT is just taking sealioning to the max on this thread. He knows the conviction was just but is just thrashing about, asking the same thing over and over hoping for something he can poumce on to re-direct the convetsation so he and his kind are the victims.
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do you oppose those likely to see child abusers freed by their actions ?
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i know that pop
but he isnt doing a very good job of it |
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InsiderTrader
03 Jun 18 22:22 Joined: 25 Aug 05 | Topic/replies: 5,296 | Blogger: InsiderTrader's blog If there is no list how do people know they cannot report? ^ I dont know that is the point. The doc we have both seen was written in 2016 and highlighted lack of information as an issue. I do not know what has happened since then. You talk so confidently about the situation I assumed you did. Now it is clear neither of us know. |
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it is in the document...
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And as if by magic
Someone throw him a fish for God's sake. |
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tommy pleaded guilty
so must have accepted as a reporter he should have known... should have read, and remembered what was in the document and acted accordingly |
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donny osmond
04 Jun 18 12:40 Joined: 02 Mar 08 | Topic/replies: 76,497 | Blogger: donny osmond's blog do you oppose those likely to see child abusers freed by their actions ? ^ This has not happened. People do walk free all the time though. The amount of cases that even go to court for child abuse and rape in general are the tip of the iceburg. The burden of proof has to be on the accused. If the victim is not beleived there is zero support afterwards. |
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that has not happened because the police arrested and jailed a man that could have caused it to happen
do you agree that their timely intervention saved the trial |
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donny osmond
04 Jun 18 12:45 Joined: 02 Mar 08 | Topic/replies: 76,499 | Blogger: donny osmond's blog tommy pleaded guilty so must have accepted as a reporter he should have known... should have read, and remembered what was in the document and acted accordingly ^ He did plead guilty I cannot argue with that. I am not sure about the second bit 'remembered what was in the document'. Where did you get that information from? That is certainly contrary to what his manager/assistant said. |
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what did hois manager/assistant say ?
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his
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donny osmond
04 Jun 18 12:46 Joined: 02 Mar 08 | Topic/replies: 76,500 | Blogger: donny osmond's blog that has not happened because the police arrested and jailed a man that could have caused it to happen do you agree that their timely intervention saved the trial ^ How did it save the trail? He spoke for over an hour. He read out the names at the start of the 'broadcast' and filmed people walking past on the street. The 'broadcast' is still online. What difference did his arrested over an hour later make? Have you actually watched the 'broadcast'? 99% of it is a rant after the first 5 mins. |
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its basic stuff for a reporter to know the law on reporting restricions
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donny osmond
Date Joined: 02 Mar 08 Add contact | Send message 04 Jun 18 12:48 Joined: 02 Mar 08 | Topic/replies: 76,502 | Blogger: donny osmond's blog what did hois manager/assistant say ? ^ youtube search 'tommy robinson manager' 51 mins in... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fovXM_4MYGo |
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cant be on with youtube
what did he say? |
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was it related to tommys knowledge of reporting restrictions or is it a tangent ?
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Yes it was exactly related to that. About 5 minetes explaining exactly what he thought a saw outside and in the court room for TRs case.
He claimed everything TR said was already reported elsewhere in papers and websites. |
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can you find other videos filmed contemporaneously to tommys?
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Sorry I do not know what that means:
'existing, beginning, or occurring in the same period of time Derived Formscontemporaneity' It is the only account of what happened I can find. He was obviously on thin ice. The Canterbury case was a bad one where he was convicted on Criminal Justice Act not Contempt of Court. Then there was suggestion over the Darren Obsborne case as well: https://www.theguardian.com/law/2018/feb/06/police-assess-contempt-claims-over-tommy-robinson-videos What I find shocking is: 1. The access to information of what cannot and can be reported needs to be improved (as your 2016 doc states). 2. The fact that a judge with no jury can give someone 10 months and be from the street to prison in 5 hours just at that judge's discretion with no time to get own legal representation. |
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In fact the Kent one was for filming inside the court building.
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/canterbury/news/far-right-activist-spared-jail-126340/ Clearly he did not do that again as was outside Leeds Court. He even asked the police where the court property started. |