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Where do you stand on this, one on hand, I don't understand how Anti Abortionists can insist on women given birth to severely disabled babies that would have no quality of life and maybe to a lesser extent, insisting Rape victims should give birth to their attackers offspring - who would then have rights to have access to their child whilst also in prison and thereafter, a lifelong, double whammy punishment. I say lesser as the offspring would still be perfectly healthy but no attacker should ever be allowed to be a part of the child's life.
On the other hand, abortions that are not for medical reasons, all depends upon where you think life begins which considering it's something that even theologists, philosophers and many in the the medicine profession can't agree on, is always going to be a subjective decision, which means the choice should be given to the carrier rather than using the moral compass of a religious organisation foisting their own personal perspective on to those that think different about their own bodies and the beginning of life.
I can't see this not being legalised, if Ireland is liberal enough to legalised same sex marriage with 62% of the vote, this will probably go the same way albeit a closer vote.
On the other hand, abortions that are not for medical reasons, all depends upon where you think life begins which considering it's something that even theologists, philosophers and many in the the medicine profession can't agree on, is always going to be a subjective decision, which means the choice should be given to the carrier rather than using the moral compass of a religious organisation foisting their own personal perspective on to those that think different about their own bodies and the beginning of life.
I can't see this not being legalised, if Ireland is liberal enough to legalised same sex marriage with 62% of the vote, this will probably go the same way albeit a closer vote.
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would be very disappointing if this wasnt voted in - theres an argument for only allowing women to vote on this
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Father you seem to be abandoning your flock and faith. Amen
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Gonna be good when the group that were demanding the government gets less involved in parents right to healthcare or lack thereof a few weeks back are voting for the government to continue denying a certain type of healthcare to people
Continuing to ban them isn't going to change attitudes, it just makes the act of getting one more stressful, expensive and most importantly - dangerous |
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It’s not right imo and hope they vote against it
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Unsurprising that lfc is stuck in the past as usual
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^^^^ the chap is entitled to his opinion, without being ridiculed,do we not live in a democracy, ...
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I am reading a book at the minute about co joined twins born in soviet Russia just after Stalin’s
Girls , Marsha and Dasha , Have just read the first chapters so far They are in an institution , school with other “defectives “ maybe youngsters who had polio etc , legs lost in accidents Or just small problems , different types At one point like all kids there are gangs and bullying and the twins are walking , just two legs between them And at the corridor there are 4 or 5 boys waiting to bully them Masha is the fiesty one and dasha very quiet , they walk up and teaching the first boy masha , she is only about 10 pulls out a fork she stole from the kitchen and threatens the boy ..just try it Fc@ker ! : ) then the twins walk on without looking back Made me laugh It’s heartbreaking and beautiful |
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whats the book called LFC, sounds good - not sure it should be the basis of the abortion argument tho
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The Less You Know The Sounder You Sleep
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You know that clinic in Marie Stopes, Ealing.....there's a guy who sits near it regularly, anti-abortion, he lives near me....may go and have a word with him ....tell him he is an idiot !
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95%+ abortions are for social reasons NOT medical.
Question: what happens during an abortion? I mean to the hands, feet, head and heart? Is the heart stopped, yes or no? Is the unborn decapitated? Amanda Holden still grieves after her stillborn. Why? Because she wanted THAT baby/child/person/man/woman. Why grieve over a foetus though.. Oh wait.. Pro Choice..hmmm. Who has the choice? The unborn? No. The father? Don't be silly.. |
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Amanda Holden, wtf .....don’t , to quote means you look up to these people
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The woman has the choice ....end of !
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Yep end of
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Injera, that's why the key question is, when exactly does life start? in it's embryonic state? fetal development or birth?
And what about abortions due to health reasons ? |
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FatherMaguire
The book is called : The Less You Know The Sounder You Sleep |
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Ah sorry just noticed mesmerised has answered
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Woman have many miscarriages from 0 to 15 weeks but you don't hear about them as it is not something they want broadcast.
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These are unviable foetuses.
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All I see with abortion issue is an issue that has a religious angle, and hence it is in the interest of the religious mafia to NOT find a simple solution to it. They remain relevant as long as this remains an 'issue'.
I am yet to see someone give a sound argument against abortion. It should be the right of the mother. End of story. And no. the child doesn't get hurt. I don't care how graphic the process is(as I was once told you have to remove each limb separately). Even if that's true, the child isn't getting hurt. No one remembers coming out of the mother crying. And to think killing that baby is infringing upon his rights is ridiculous. |
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Why doesn't the father get a choice?
Why does a woman who wants a full term refer to her bump as a baby whereas one who wants an abortion dehumanises it? One celebrates future life, the other has it killed. Abortion is legal if the health of the unborn and/or mother is in danger. As I said earlier 95% of abortions are for social reasons i.e. I don't want it. |
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What ever happened to 'Thou shalt not kill', eh, eh ?
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If men had kids abortion would have been legalised centuries ago - you cant compare the role of a man and a woman in the birth process - men have no right to a say in whether a woman has an abortion, and thats exactly as it should be
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8,000,000 babies killed (via abortion) in UK since 1967
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Difficult situation. Who has the right to deny a female an abortion after being raped?
Nobody to my thinking however I don't agree with abortion on tap. What about other issues such as malformed foetuses. Who decides on these issues if not the expectant female. |
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OMG! That's 438 each day, every day for 50 years
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exit polls suggest yes.
perhaps the church of Rome wants to look into its attitude toward miscarriage & stillbirth now. |
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65+'s the only demographic in the exit poll with a majority NO vote
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that post by detraveller does not make any sense
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its amazing the stuff that people who are in favour of abortion can convince themselves off and pretend to believe.
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I heard someone say yesterday 'Unborn kids don't have a voice so we need to be their voice'. No. You need to fecking get a life that's all.
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I don't have any strong views for or against abortion. But as I said earlier, I find the argument given against abortion laughable.
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and as I said earlier that's a bit rich considering your post was beyond laughable
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no do you think detraveller that no one experiences pain before the age of 2 or 3 ?
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Certainly not when they are in the womb i'd say.
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we could go over just about every sentence in that post and the stupidity of it is mindboggling
lets take the last sentence you wrote : "And to think that killing that baby is infringing upon his rights is ridiculous" |
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detravelleer, children of 2 or 3 are not in the womb, that wasn't the question
do they feel pain? |