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Ireland's Abortion vote on Friday
Ireland's Abortion vote on Friday
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It’s a culture of silence about what really happens, silence deception in the words used and the images
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morality has no boarders
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The options were of women;
Do you want the option to not be punished for falling pregnant and lose nothing? Like I said, those who dont believe in having an abortion simply wont anyway. |
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yeah, you also said society should leave people alone
aka not be morality police and let those who need them access them  |
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No I didnt
I was being sarcastic saying if we dont shape society through education and punishment then how do we discourage mistakes? |
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Do you want the option to not be punished for falling pregnant
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Yes aaron they would be gruesome, that was the point I was trying to make
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Ok aaronh, fair play to you.
You're rightfully equating knife murders with abortion. At last!!! You even used the word 'gruesome'. |
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http://www.ncregister.com/blog/simcha-fisher/eight-reasons-not-to-use-graphic-abortion-images-at-the-march-for-life
Eight Reasons Not to Use Graphic Abortion Images at the March for Life |
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I don’t want to look at that if it shows graphic images ?
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aaronh
If we determine that unlawful abortions are deemed as punishments, then asking those who are being punished for falling pregnant whether they would prefer not to be was the version of democracy in action that occurred. Like I said, its just women grabbing anything they can out of an 'unfair' system. Add it to the list of things they want. |
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ok, will check later
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The whole argument is polemic.
Its made up mostly of women wanting more, coupled with those who will help them....arguing against those who believe in objectivity. |
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What upsets the abortionists most is that some unborn STILL have rights.
What is it , 24 weeks? They hate that. They want it till birth and then beyond. Just watch... Bizarrely it's strange of Govts to attribute the right to life based on 24 weeks and not 23 weeks, 6 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes and 59 seconds. But hey, since when does evil get logical.. |
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What is it , 24 weeks? They hate that. They want it till birth and then beyond. Just watch...
are you just making things up now |
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220ish abortions over 24 weeks
9% of the total abortions 12+ weeks |
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women should be punished for getting pregnant is a very objective view point
I prefer to define it as a disincentive to become pregnant if not intending to. Speeding in built up areas is dangerous, people also take pleasure from it. Maybe we should not punish them either. |
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NI getting all mardy and presumption like they too should be equally entitled to be given the same lax approach to responsibility.
I had a good old laugh though when matron Arlene Foster came straight out and p1ssed out their fire  |
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I'll answer your "question" dustybin, however ridiculously you framed it.
Then I'm not discussing this subject any further. SF What has a woman got to lose from voting for a law change, since the woman can always choose to not get in the position of being pregnant anyway? Its no surprise that women would largely find this a further extension of empowerment and nothing more, in effect a zero loss event. That doesn't mean their choice is based on morality however simply because it gives them power to not be prosecuted. A zero loss event? So you think it's just a bit of fun or a whim for a woman to have an abortion. You seem to think they want the choice to have an abortion as a "bit of empowerment" You assert that they now have abortions so they won't be prosecuted. You take no other situations into account - Rape, illness, an unviable or very sick prognosis for the child (fine that, eh, YOU wouldn't be the one having to deal with that!) Do you get this upset over children who are starving or have no quality of life or who were born to die early with no prospect of ever being pain-free or healthy? (That is rhetorical) What STILL isn't being addressed, because of your determination to prove all abortion is murder, is that NO woman does it for fun. Your question (such as it is) is stupid, bogged down in an entrenched belief, without compassion and thoughtless and I've answered it. |
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A zero loss event? So you think it's just a bit of fun or a whim for a woman to have an abortion.
The zero loss refers to the choice in changing the rules regarding what happens if she does fall pregnant. You seem to think they want the choice to have an abortion as a "bit of empowerment" No, the empowerment is the fact they are free to offer up their bodies on the knowledge the old rules of disincentivizing unwanted pregnancy have now been eroded. You assert that they now have abortions so they won't be prosecuted. Eh? No I didnt. You take no other situations into account - Rape, illness, an unviable or very sick prognosis for the child (fine that, eh, YOU wouldn't be the one having to deal with that!) Sexual Assault is a permissible reason for abortion already. And the other examples are the exceptions. To suggest most abortions are anything other than sloppy mismanagement or downright lack of responsibility is untrue Id suggest. |
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You are simply wrong to say that women think it OK if they get pregnant because an abortion is an easy solution.
Or was the correct term "offer up their bodies"? It isn't. NO woman wants an abortion. I'm now going out. I'm not getting bogged down with this discussion. |
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If people honestly think women dont desire empowerment through the trading of sex through using their body to get things they want they are delusional.
They will do this with or without the legal framework disincentivizing abortion. If you then asked them if they would prefer that they were not punished through law in addition they will say things like ' Im voting for the right for me to have control of my own body' As THIS is a no lose offer, since those who distinctly dont want to get pregnant wont, while those who do by mistake have the freedom to get rid of it. |
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edy - what happens to the heart, head, arms ansd legs during an abortion?
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Sliced apart, removed and done away with somewhere I think.
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Injera are you totally opposed to abortion in all circumstances?
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The '67 Act prevents abortion unless the life of baby and/or mother is in danger.
That's a start. Sadly most abortions are illegal hence the clamour to decriminalise all abortions. I have TOTAL sympathy for rape victims and those carrying severely disabled unborn. What devasting circumstances to find oneself in... |
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Similar to how I see things albeit I'm probably not as passionate about the subject as you.
Would the catholic church easing it's views on contraception help or do most just ignore that? |
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I'm not a Catholic so don't know.
The reason (I think) they oppose contraception is to make people think carefully about sex and take their responsibility for the consequences. Liberalism has led to sexual health clinics full, 180k abortions in the uk each year, millions of kids born out of wedlock with all the social effects that accompany that etc etc. |
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Looks like a strong case for contraceptive birth control.
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Contraception = more sex = more STDs = more pregnancies = more abortions = more unwanted children born to single parents.
Mass distribution of contraception simply does not work. Personal responsibility for one's actions does. |
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I would have thought less pregnancies.
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