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Where do you stand on this, one on hand, I don't understand how Anti Abortionists can insist on women given birth to severely disabled babies that would have no quality of life and maybe to a lesser extent, insisting Rape victims should give birth to their attackers offspring - who would then have rights to have access to their child whilst also in prison and thereafter, a lifelong, double whammy punishment. I say lesser as the offspring would still be perfectly healthy but no attacker should ever be allowed to be a part of the child's life.
On the other hand, abortions that are not for medical reasons, all depends upon where you think life begins which considering it's something that even theologists, philosophers and many in the the medicine profession can't agree on, is always going to be a subjective decision, which means the choice should be given to the carrier rather than using the moral compass of a religious organisation foisting their own personal perspective on to those that think different about their own bodies and the beginning of life.
I can't see this not being legalised, if Ireland is liberal enough to legalised same sex marriage with 62% of the vote, this will probably go the same way albeit a closer vote.
On the other hand, abortions that are not for medical reasons, all depends upon where you think life begins which considering it's something that even theologists, philosophers and many in the the medicine profession can't agree on, is always going to be a subjective decision, which means the choice should be given to the carrier rather than using the moral compass of a religious organisation foisting their own personal perspective on to those that think different about their own bodies and the beginning of life.
I can't see this not being legalised, if Ireland is liberal enough to legalised same sex marriage with 62% of the vote, this will probably go the same way albeit a closer vote.
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well I didn't say I disliked 5 million people now did I ?
Slippy Blue claims to be Irish and no one could dislike him
Slippy Blue claims to be Irish and no one could dislike him
^^^you wrote "I don't like them either" that seemed fairly all encompassing
northanlite there is no point reading words if you don't understand words
what part of "i don't like them either" was misunderstood?
not all countries or the countries people are the same,
I like some and dislike others , I’m like that
Some I really dislike quite a lot , Ireland and the Irish are up there
I like some and dislike others , I’m like that
Some I really dislike quite a lot , Ireland and the Irish are up there
I would really, really, really, really, really, really put Swabians, especially the ones from Biberach, at the very top of your dislike list if I were you, lfc.
They're not really bad people (though they're scrooges), but utterly incapable in some vital areas.
like simple things like catching and holding onto round objects.
Personally I cant help think the argument that I kept hearing from 'pro abortionists' when they said;
'it's about giving women the power to make decisions about their own bodies'
Actually the decision about what they do with their bodies came before and resulted in them becoming pregnant.
What abortion generally is is a killing for convenience.
Every action has a consequence.
'it's about giving women the power to make decisions about their own bodies'
Actually the decision about what they do with their bodies came before and resulted in them becoming pregnant.
What abortion generally is is a killing for convenience.
Every action has a consequence.
The Germans describe them as being stingy, overly serious, prudish and petty bourgeois
simpletons!
I wasn't as rude as that about the Irish, although they deserved it
simpletons!
I wasn't as rude as that about the Irish, although they deserved it
That's the 'easy' part over now they have to convince the medical people to do the abortions.
Can see loads of doctors, nurses and midwives refusing. Be plenty of pressure on them from the church.
Can see loads of doctors, nurses and midwives refusing. Be plenty of pressure on them from the church.
edy
26 May 18 12:54
Just an empty shell, a bunch of assembled cells without any sort of awareness being done away with. Calling it a child is wrong terminology.
- an awful ignorance.
'How your baby is growing at 10 weeks of pregnancy
Your baby's heart is now fully developed, and beats about 180 times a minute. Her legs can rotate at the hip joint, and her arms can move at the shoulder. She's testing this new flexibility by instinctively kicking and moving her limbs.
Your baby’s forehead is bulging with her developing brain, although this is only temporary. And she’s beginning to lift her chin from her chest so that her head is more upright. '
In Ireland's new law babies will be killed up to 12 weeks and 24 in exceptional circumstances.
26 May 18 12:54
Just an empty shell, a bunch of assembled cells without any sort of awareness being done away with. Calling it a child is wrong terminology.
- an awful ignorance.
'How your baby is growing at 10 weeks of pregnancy
Your baby's heart is now fully developed, and beats about 180 times a minute. Her legs can rotate at the hip joint, and her arms can move at the shoulder. She's testing this new flexibility by instinctively kicking and moving her limbs.
Your baby’s forehead is bulging with her developing brain, although this is only temporary. And she’s beginning to lift her chin from her chest so that her head is more upright. '
In Ireland's new law babies will be killed up to 12 weeks and 24 in exceptional circumstances.
EU told ire to sort out the situation with catholic run state paid hospitals ,hopefully they can be removed and put back in the churches where they belong ,and kept there ,high fences and pits with spikes needed imo .
I don't want to get embroiled in this debate, but am quite keen to see points put fairly and reasonably.
One thing I haven't seen throughout this thread is that it is fairly likely that just about EVERY woman who has an abortion, doesn't take the decision lightly, nor is it a thing of enjoyment. A load of ignorant men pontificating from a completely self-belief perspective is not where the decision should lie.
In the case of this vote, it didn't.
Just like Brexit, it was a democratic vote!
Also,
Just to point out, in the above post (2.20pm):
The word "she" is used to make the point just that little extra emotive.
Undeveloped foetuses do not have a developed nervous system.
One thing I haven't seen throughout this thread is that it is fairly likely that just about EVERY woman who has an abortion, doesn't take the decision lightly, nor is it a thing of enjoyment. A load of ignorant men pontificating from a completely self-belief perspective is not where the decision should lie.
In the case of this vote, it didn't.
Just like Brexit, it was a democratic vote!
Also,
Just to point out, in the above post (2.20pm):
The word "she" is used to make the point just that little extra emotive.
Undeveloped foetuses do not have a developed nervous system.
Boys and girls begin to develop differently at around 7 weeks gestation.
I find it deeply troubling that abortion is called a feminist issue. Presumambly 50% of those aborted are female...in fact in a few cultures girls are considered inferior, hence why the NHS in places like Luton don't even offer free screening for gender.
I find it deeply troubling that abortion is called a feminist issue. Presumambly 50% of those aborted are female...in fact in a few cultures girls are considered inferior, hence why the NHS in places like Luton don't even offer free screening for gender.
If people are educated as to the reality of the situation then falling pregnant outside that of sexual assault or indeed sexual coercion is down to a blasé attitude as to the reality of cause and effect (except for the cases where contraception itself fails), based on wanton desire...or worse, the trade off of sex for some form of gain.
By definition a woman needing an abortion is the result of a mistake.
How else does society dissuade people of making mistakes other than through education and punishment?
This hasn't really anything to do with scripture nowadays, this is about responsibility.
To argue that women have the right to have an abortion just as one might decide what shoes one prefers to wear is making a mockery of a serious issue.
By definition a woman needing an abortion is the result of a mistake.
How else does society dissuade people of making mistakes other than through education and punishment?
This hasn't really anything to do with scripture nowadays, this is about responsibility.
To argue that women have the right to have an abortion just as one might decide what shoes one prefers to wear is making a mockery of a serious issue.
Maybe sex education in schools should show how abortions used to be carried out, with wire coat hangers and bottles of 'mother's pride', that would focus the mind, rather than loosening the law to fit around the after effects of making of mistakes.
And get the catholic church out of the schools ,should not be allowed near children .
There's no responsibility dusty. I heard one feminist say it was unjust to expect women to travel to England and pay for an abortion.
So they have unprotected sex, refuse to take responsibility for the result of that intercourse and then complain at having to pay for an abortion???
So they have unprotected sex, refuse to take responsibility for the result of that intercourse and then complain at having to pay for an abortion???
Yes, no concession whatever that abortions aren't fun and aren't an easy choice.
Is it that those who voted yes are all wrong?
Is it that those who voted yes are all wrong?
One thing I haven't seen throughout this thread is that it is fairly likely that just about EVERY woman who has an abortion, doesn't take the decision lightly, nor is it a thing of enjoyment. A load of ignorant men pontificating from a completely self-belief perspective is not where the decision should lie.
You'd think it's the case that women are like "oops, had unprotected sex, best have an abortion" and that's it the way the idiots are going on in this thread.
Presumambly 50% of those aborted are female...in fact in a few cultures girls are considered inferior, hence why the NHS in places like Luton don't even offer free screening for gender.
say what you really mean on this one
To argue that women have the right to have an abortion just as one might decide what shoes one prefers to wear is making a mockery of a serious issue.
where as your moronic comparison very much is taking a serious issue, seriously
You'd think it's the case that women are like "oops, had unprotected sex, best have an abortion" and that's it the way the idiots are going on in this thread.
Presumambly 50% of those aborted are female...in fact in a few cultures girls are considered inferior, hence why the NHS in places like Luton don't even offer free screening for gender.
say what you really mean on this one
To argue that women have the right to have an abortion just as one might decide what shoes one prefers to wear is making a mockery of a serious issue.
where as your moronic comparison very much is taking a serious issue, seriously
it also appears that women are magically having babies appear inside them without the aid of a second party who could use contraception too
Undeveloped foetuses do not have a developed nervous system.
and yet are valued above that of an actual living woman's health
and yet are valued above that of an actual living woman's health
believe it or not, humans do have sex for pleasure and not just reproductive purposes
sometimes you don't take all precautions beforehand. to talk that you should be punished with having to give birth if you don't says a lot
sometimes you don't take all precautions beforehand. to talk that you should be punished with having to give birth if you don't says a lot
SF
What has a woman got to lose from voting for a law change, since the woman can always choose to not get in the position of being pregnant anyway?
Its no surprise that women would largely find this a further extension of empowerment and nothing more, in effect a zero loss event.
That doesn't mean their choice is based on morality however simply because it gives them power to not be prosecuted.
What has a woman got to lose from voting for a law change, since the woman can always choose to not get in the position of being pregnant anyway?
Its no surprise that women would largely find this a further extension of empowerment and nothing more, in effect a zero loss event.
That doesn't mean their choice is based on morality however simply because it gives them power to not be prosecuted.
May 29, 2018 -- 4:15PM, Injera wrote:
There's no responsibility dusty. I heard one feminist say it was unjust to expect women to travel to England and pay for an abortion.So they have unprotected sex, refuse to take responsibility for the result of that intercourse and then complain at having to pay for an abortion???
yeah, your neighbours across the river can access a certain type of healthcare freely and safely and you can't because of religious feelings. how can people see that as unjust
it also appears that women are magically having babies appear inside them without the aid of a second party who could use contraception too
Yes, maybe we should really balance the logic and make it permissible for the male to be allowed to force a female to have an abortion too?
Yes, maybe we should really balance the logic and make it permissible for the male to be allowed to force a female to have an abortion too?
did a woman you have sex with have an abortion, you sound very bitter and hateful towards women
Yes, no concession whatever that abortions aren't fun and aren't an easy choice.
And yet they still have them, either legally by having to travel or illegally.
So what about answering my question as to how we shape society other than through education and or punishment?
And yet they still have them, either legally by having to travel or illegally.
So what about answering my question as to how we shape society other than through education and or punishment?
May 29, 2018 -- 5:05PM, dustybin wrote:
it also appears that women are magically having babies appear inside them without the aid of a second party who could use contraception too Yes, maybe we should really balance the logic and make it permissible for the male to be allowed to force a female to have an abortion too?
amazing how the No side lost with such logic and ideas tbh
i think some blokes see contraception as a womans issue
i think in the past some females have been pressured by males into having an abortion, its probably
still going on today
some folk care about unborn kids more than those alive, or so it would seem.
i think i am pleased abortion is available, i'm not sure i would ever advise anybody to have one.
i think in the past some females have been pressured by males into having an abortion, its probably
still going on today
some folk care about unborn kids more than those alive, or so it would seem.
i think i am pleased abortion is available, i'm not sure i would ever advise anybody to have one.
Maybe we all could do as we please without society meddling?
Healthcare???
What happens during an abortion aaronh? To the head, heart, arms and legs of the foetus?
Every conception leads to a unique life being formed. This life will NEVER be replicated. It is his/her only chance.
Sex is of course as you say for pleasure also. But it comes with responsibility. It can produce life...Take that responsibility and don't kill it stone dead.
What happens during an abortion aaronh? To the head, heart, arms and legs of the foetus?
Every conception leads to a unique life being formed. This life will NEVER be replicated. It is his/her only chance.
Sex is of course as you say for pleasure also. But it comes with responsibility. It can produce life...Take that responsibility and don't kill it stone dead.
i think i am pleased abortion is available, i'm not sure i would ever advise anybody to have one.
yes, Big Abortion is going to come and starting aborting random kids. if you want one, you can now do it safely in your own country. if you don't, it's fine
yes, Big Abortion is going to come and starting aborting random kids. if you want one, you can now do it safely in your own country. if you don't, it's fine
May 26, 2018 -- 5:11PM, aaronh wrote:
for lfc and others againstare you for things like increased child benefit, extended paid maternity/paternity leave, free childcare schemes and other benefits that may encourage people who might otherwise not feel ready to have a child?
for dusty and Injera
May 29, 2018 -- 5:10PM, dustybin wrote:
Maybe we all could do as we please without society meddling?
hope you saw the irony of this post
May 29, 2018 -- 5:12PM, Injera wrote:
Healthcare???What happens during an abortion aaronh? To the head, heart, arms and legs of the foetus?Every conception leads to a unique life being formed. This life will NEVER be replicated. It is his/her only chance.Sex is of course as you say for pleasure also. But it comes with responsibility. It can produce life...Take that responsibility and don't kill it stone dead.
yes, I'd say that accessing services at a hospital comes under health care
prefer to focus on the person actually living and their mental/physical health and not the undeveloped thing.
rest of your post is mostly emotive rubbish
May 29, 2018 -- 5:12PM, aaronh wrote:
i think i am pleased abortion is available, i'm not sure i would ever advise anybody to have one.yes, Big Abortion is going to come and starting aborting random kids. if you want one, you can now do it safely in your own country. if you don't, it's fine
isn't* 
I don't think you can equate the two. To favour abortion on the grounds of economics is a tad harsh...
Why stop there? Infanticide? Euthanasia a la Logan's Run perhaps.
So what happens to the little one who has arms, legs, a heart and a head aaronh? I assume you've seen the (banned) pictures? They are of course banned from publication for a reason and it's because it's utterly horrific.
Why stop there? Infanticide? Euthanasia a la Logan's Run perhaps.
So what happens to the little one who has arms, legs, a heart and a head aaronh? I assume you've seen the (banned) pictures? They are of course banned from publication for a reason and it's because it's utterly horrific.
assisted suicide is actually good, as long as it is carefully regulated to stop any abuse and required multiple doctors agreeing or something like that
aaronh - out of interest..given your encouragement of abortion, if I said you should have been aborted I presume you won't take offence?
depends if you are also happy to say people who agree with you on things should have been aborted too
The point is not that they are easily accessible , the point is why are they banned
I'll ask again (like I do many times to those who think abortion is good), what happens to the arms, legs, heart, head....?
May 29, 2018 -- 5:28PM, lfc1971 wrote:
The point is not that they are easily accessible , the point is why are they banned
contraception was banned in until like the 80s in Ireland. why were they banned?
I said 'if'.
And why the sad face? Surely abortion is not harmful in any way??
As someone who thinks life is worth protecting I'm glad you're here.
And why the sad face? Surely abortion is not harmful in any way??
As someone who thinks life is worth protecting I'm glad you're here.
be weird if you said something that is considered so hideously offensive to yourself 
if my mum was not in the right frame of mind, situation to give birth etc - why should I say that she should have given birth to me
if my mum was not in the right frame of mind, situation to give birth etc - why should I say that she should have given birth to me
May 29, 2018 -- 5:30PM, lfc1971 wrote:
That doesn’t answer the question now does it ?
both were banned because of catholic stuff
Yup, just like killing people is banned (cos of the 10 commandments).
yeah, your neighbours across the river can access a certain type of healthcare freely and safely and you can't because of religious feelings. how can people see that as unjust
Is this an extension of the me me me too movement where because others have allowed it so must everyone?
Maybe this is the continuation of the democracy in action lie, that we wrote our laws and fully agree with them simply by being born where we were?
Is this an extension of the me me me too movement where because others have allowed it so must everyone?
Maybe this is the continuation of the democracy in action lie, that we wrote our laws and fully agree with them simply by being born where we were?
nope try again , the pictures are not banned because of the Catholic Church, they are banned because pro abortion people like yourself cannot stand too much reality and want to surpress the truth
May 29, 2018 -- 5:36PM, lfc1971 wrote:
nope try again , the pictures are not banned because of the Catholic Church, they are banned because pro abortion people like yourself cannot stand too much reality and want to surpress the truth
thought you were talking about abortions themselves.
is this a bit like where the MAINSTREAM MEDIA doesn't report things, but it's actually in every outlet out there
The point is they are banned , and for a reason as Injera says
No one really wants to see the reality
No one really wants to see the reality
It’s a culture of silence about what really happens, silence deception in the words used and the images
May 29, 2018 -- 5:35PM, dustybin wrote:
yeah, your neighbours across the river can access a certain type of healthcare freely and safely and you can't because of religious feelings. how can people see that as unjust Is this an extension of the me me me too movement where because others have allowed it so must everyone?Maybe this is the continuation of the democracy in action lie, that we wrote our laws and fully agree with them simply by being born where we were?
democracy was in action and they won 
good to know that people in other countries with 'unfair' laws and rules shouldn't complain though because they are in that country rather than the one with 'fairer' rules
May 29, 2018 -- 5:43PM, lfc1971 wrote:
It’s a culture of silence about what really happens, silence deception in the words used and the images
I imagine you'd actually be for this but i'll ask anyway;
if there was campaigning on anti-knife crime in London for example, do you think it would be fair game for campaigners to use pictures of death scenes on posters and that they would be allowed or would they be banned?
(they'd be banned because they are gruesome and not because 'no one wants to see the reality'
The options were of women;
Do you want the option to not be punished for falling pregnant and lose nothing?
Like I said, those who dont believe in having an abortion simply wont anyway.
Do you want the option to not be punished for falling pregnant and lose nothing?
Like I said, those who dont believe in having an abortion simply wont anyway.
yeah, you also said society should leave people alone
aka not be morality police and let those who need them access them
aka not be morality police and let those who need them access them
No I didnt
I was being sarcastic saying if we dont shape society through education and punishment then how do we discourage mistakes?
I was being sarcastic saying if we dont shape society through education and punishment then how do we discourage mistakes?
Do you want the option to not be punished for falling pregnant
amazing stuff
amazing stuff
Yes aaron they would be gruesome, that was the point I was trying to make
Ok aaronh, fair play to you.
You're rightfully equating knife murders with abortion. At last!!! You even used the word 'gruesome'.
You're rightfully equating knife murders with abortion. At last!!! You even used the word 'gruesome'.
http://www.ncregister.com/blog/simcha-fisher/eight-reasons-not-to-use-graphic-abortion-images-at-the-march-for-life
Eight Reasons Not to Use Graphic Abortion Images at the March for Life
Eight Reasons Not to Use Graphic Abortion Images at the March for Life
aaronh
If we determine that unlawful abortions are deemed as punishments, then asking those who are being punished for falling pregnant whether they would prefer not to be was the version of democracy in action that occurred.
Like I said, its just women grabbing anything they can out of an 'unfair' system.
Add it to the list of things they want.
If we determine that unlawful abortions are deemed as punishments, then asking those who are being punished for falling pregnant whether they would prefer not to be was the version of democracy in action that occurred.
Like I said, its just women grabbing anything they can out of an 'unfair' system.
Add it to the list of things they want.
May 29, 2018 -- 6:00PM, lfc1971 wrote:
I don’t want to look at that if it shows graphic images ?
it does not.
The whole argument is polemic.
Its made up mostly of women wanting more, coupled with those who will help them....arguing against those who believe in objectivity.
Its made up mostly of women wanting more, coupled with those who will help them....arguing against those who believe in objectivity.
What upsets the abortionists most is that some unborn STILL have rights.
What is it , 24 weeks? They hate that. They want it till birth and then beyond. Just watch...
Bizarrely it's strange of Govts to attribute the right to life based on 24 weeks and not 23 weeks, 6 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes and 59 seconds.
But hey, since when does evil get logical..
What is it , 24 weeks? They hate that. They want it till birth and then beyond. Just watch...
Bizarrely it's strange of Govts to attribute the right to life based on 24 weeks and not 23 weeks, 6 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes and 59 seconds.
But hey, since when does evil get logical..
May 29, 2018 -- 5:29PM, Injera wrote:
I'll ask again (like I do many times to those who think abortion is good), what happens to the arms, legs, heart, head....?
Who said abortion is good?
I have NEVER seen that said anywhere.
What is it , 24 weeks? They hate that. They want it till birth and then beyond. Just watch...
are you just making things up now
are you just making things up now
May 29, 2018 -- 6:06PM, dustybin wrote:
The whole argument is polemic.Its made up mostly of women wanting more, coupled with those who will help them....arguing against those who believe in objectivity.
women should be punished for getting pregnant is a very objective view point
220ish abortions over 24 weeks
9% of the total abortions 12+ weeks
9% of the total abortions 12+ weeks
women should be punished for getting pregnant is a very objective view point
I prefer to define it as a disincentive to become pregnant if not intending to.
Speeding in built up areas is dangerous, people also take pleasure from it. Maybe we should not punish them either.
I prefer to define it as a disincentive to become pregnant if not intending to.
Speeding in built up areas is dangerous, people also take pleasure from it. Maybe we should not punish them either.
NI getting all mardy and presumption like they too should be equally entitled to be given the same lax approach to responsibility.
I had a good old laugh though when matron Arlene Foster came straight out and p1ssed out their fire
I had a good old laugh though when matron Arlene Foster came straight out and p1ssed out their fire
I'll answer your "question" dustybin, however ridiculously you framed it.
Then I'm not discussing this subject any further.
SF
What has a woman got to lose from voting for a law change, since the woman can always choose to not get in the position of being pregnant anyway?
Its no surprise that women would largely find this a further extension of empowerment and nothing more, in effect a zero loss event.
That doesn't mean their choice is based on morality however simply because it gives them power to not be prosecuted.
A zero loss event? So you think it's just a bit of fun or a whim for a woman to have an abortion.
You seem to think they want the choice to have an abortion as a "bit of empowerment"
You assert that they now have abortions so they won't be prosecuted.
You take no other situations into account - Rape, illness, an unviable or very sick prognosis for the child (fine that, eh, YOU wouldn't be the one having to deal with that!)
Do you get this upset over children who are starving or have no quality of life or who were born to die early with no prospect of ever being pain-free or healthy?
(That is rhetorical)
What STILL isn't being addressed, because of your determination to prove all abortion is murder, is that NO woman does it for fun.
Your question (such as it is) is stupid, bogged down in an entrenched belief, without compassion and thoughtless and I've answered it.
Then I'm not discussing this subject any further.
SF
What has a woman got to lose from voting for a law change, since the woman can always choose to not get in the position of being pregnant anyway?
Its no surprise that women would largely find this a further extension of empowerment and nothing more, in effect a zero loss event.
That doesn't mean their choice is based on morality however simply because it gives them power to not be prosecuted.
A zero loss event? So you think it's just a bit of fun or a whim for a woman to have an abortion.
You seem to think they want the choice to have an abortion as a "bit of empowerment"
You assert that they now have abortions so they won't be prosecuted.
You take no other situations into account - Rape, illness, an unviable or very sick prognosis for the child (fine that, eh, YOU wouldn't be the one having to deal with that!)
Do you get this upset over children who are starving or have no quality of life or who were born to die early with no prospect of ever being pain-free or healthy?
(That is rhetorical)
What STILL isn't being addressed, because of your determination to prove all abortion is murder, is that NO woman does it for fun.
Your question (such as it is) is stupid, bogged down in an entrenched belief, without compassion and thoughtless and I've answered it.
A zero loss event? So you think it's just a bit of fun or a whim for a woman to have an abortion.
The zero loss refers to the choice in changing the rules regarding what happens if she does fall pregnant.
You seem to think they want the choice to have an abortion as a "bit of empowerment"
No, the empowerment is the fact they are free to offer up their bodies on the knowledge the old rules of disincentivizing unwanted pregnancy have now been eroded.
You assert that they now have abortions so they won't be prosecuted.
Eh? No I didnt.
You take no other situations into account - Rape, illness, an unviable or very sick prognosis for the child (fine that, eh, YOU wouldn't be the one having to deal with that!)
Sexual Assault is a permissible reason for abortion already. And the other examples are the exceptions.
To suggest most abortions are anything other than sloppy mismanagement or downright lack of responsibility is untrue Id suggest.
The zero loss refers to the choice in changing the rules regarding what happens if she does fall pregnant.
You seem to think they want the choice to have an abortion as a "bit of empowerment"
No, the empowerment is the fact they are free to offer up their bodies on the knowledge the old rules of disincentivizing unwanted pregnancy have now been eroded.
You assert that they now have abortions so they won't be prosecuted.
Eh? No I didnt.
You take no other situations into account - Rape, illness, an unviable or very sick prognosis for the child (fine that, eh, YOU wouldn't be the one having to deal with that!)
Sexual Assault is a permissible reason for abortion already. And the other examples are the exceptions.
To suggest most abortions are anything other than sloppy mismanagement or downright lack of responsibility is untrue Id suggest.
You are simply wrong to say that women think it OK if they get pregnant because an abortion is an easy solution.
Or was the correct term "offer up their bodies"?
It isn't.
NO woman wants an abortion. I'm now going out.
I'm not getting bogged down with this discussion.
Or was the correct term "offer up their bodies"?
It isn't.
NO woman wants an abortion. I'm now going out.
I'm not getting bogged down with this discussion.
If people honestly think women dont desire empowerment through the trading of sex through using their body to get things they want they are delusional.
They will do this with or without the legal framework disincentivizing abortion.
If you then asked them if they would prefer that they were not punished through law in addition they will say things like
' Im voting for the right for me to have control of my own body'
As THIS is a no lose offer, since those who distinctly dont want to get pregnant wont, while those who do by mistake have the freedom to get rid of it.
They will do this with or without the legal framework disincentivizing abortion.
If you then asked them if they would prefer that they were not punished through law in addition they will say things like
' Im voting for the right for me to have control of my own body'
As THIS is a no lose offer, since those who distinctly dont want to get pregnant wont, while those who do by mistake have the freedom to get rid of it.
May 29, 2018 -- 5:34PM, Injera wrote:
Yup, just like killing people is banned (cos of the 10 commandments).
True, no culture or empire in Europe ever banned and punished murder before the 10 commandments came around.
And certainly the 10 commandments weren't inspired by those.
No no no...
edy - what happens to the heart, head, arms ansd legs during an abortion?
Injera are you totally opposed to abortion in all circumstances?
The '67 Act prevents abortion unless the life of baby and/or mother is in danger.
That's a start. Sadly most abortions are illegal hence the clamour to decriminalise all abortions.
I have TOTAL sympathy for rape victims and those carrying severely disabled unborn. What devasting circumstances to find oneself in...
That's a start. Sadly most abortions are illegal hence the clamour to decriminalise all abortions.
I have TOTAL sympathy for rape victims and those carrying severely disabled unborn. What devasting circumstances to find oneself in...
Similar to how I see things albeit I'm probably not as passionate about the subject as you.
Would the catholic church easing it's views on contraception help or do most just ignore that?
Would the catholic church easing it's views on contraception help or do most just ignore that?
I'm not a Catholic so don't know.
The reason (I think) they oppose contraception is to make people think carefully about sex and take their responsibility for the consequences.
Liberalism has led to sexual health clinics full, 180k abortions in the uk each year, millions of kids born out of wedlock with all the social effects that accompany that etc etc.
The reason (I think) they oppose contraception is to make people think carefully about sex and take their responsibility for the consequences.
Liberalism has led to sexual health clinics full, 180k abortions in the uk each year, millions of kids born out of wedlock with all the social effects that accompany that etc etc.
Contraception = more sex = more STDs = more pregnancies = more abortions = more unwanted children born to single parents.
Mass distribution of contraception simply does not work.
Personal responsibility for one's actions does.
Mass distribution of contraception simply does not work.
Personal responsibility for one's actions does.
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