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Can anyone make any sense of this "spy poisoning"
Can anyone make any sense of this "spy poisoning"
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" how is putins share of the vote shaping up. "
 in a one horse race i assume pretty well.!! |
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detraveller you should be ashamed of yourself - mocking the new strongman of europe Ms May. She knew it straight away - she has a teaspoon of it in her coffee every day. Too tough for the likes of Putin puppets like you.
here with the latest up to date news On here I am the leading cult. |
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at last sky giving us some unbiased views, giving mrs litvienko the full burley red carpet experience,even asking her opinion on corbyn
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so now we start getting down to other view points and open discussion but only after action against a foreign country without the full evidence
has this ever happened before ? cough cough!!! of course this can make certain politicos look good raising the flag of patriotism etc |
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How long till we don't have to rely on our patriotism or Russian hate to know it was Putin? If May knew within 48 hours, and had the confidence to blame Russia immediately, why are the authorities still taking so long to have definite proof?
They aren't. They have definite proof, that's why TM said what she did. |
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detraveller • March 19, 2018 2:39 PM GMT
How long till we don't have to rely on our patriotism or Russian hate to know it was Putin? If May knew within 48 hours, and had the confidence to blame Russia immediately, why are the authorities still taking so long to have definite proof? And if Boris and co know it was Novichok, wtf are they testing it for? I can only imagine (well, hope) that the timeframe being set out for the OPCW testing is because that's the time required to not only verify the substance ("yes/no, it is/isn't of a type developed by Russia"), but to actually root out some tangible evidence about its provenance. Breakfast stuff-based analogy: if the UK was accusing Russia of attacking the Skripals with a bowl of Weetabix, then the OPCW needs to be able to not just confirm that it was indeed a bowl of Weetabix (what Porton Down seem to have given the Govt so far is "it looks like a bowl of Weetabix" - and Govt have added that to the MI6 briefing of "Last we heard, only the Russians could make Weetabix."), but also pinpoint the factory where the Weetabix were produced, if not the field where the wheat was grown. I have absolutely no idea if that is possible (hence why I used imagine and hope earlier on!) but, if the OPCW can't do that, then in my book it's a 1.01 shot that nothing will stick and no individual or group, far less government, will be held to account for the actual act. Instead, we'll just have a bit more mud-slinging and gesticulating - "Well, OCPW says it is Weetabix, so... innit! Weetebix only made in Russia so get it right up ya." "Shut it, noob. No-one makes Weetabix any more. But we've heard that yooz, Sweden, the Czechs etc. went on a panic-buying spree 'round Lidle and have Weetabix stashed in the cupboard like the midnight snack gobblers you are." - before things quieten down and international relations continue as they were, albeit another gas mark lower. PS. Don't really know where I plucked the Weetabix analogy from. Please don't feel the need to put your cereal on a hot wash tomorrow morning. |
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In all of this no one seems to be taking into account the flippant response from Putin.
I heard some on QT saying he wouldn't do something like this with the election and WC looming. If so why the sarcastic smug response given to our government. |
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what do you say with 24 hrs notice and no access to the nertve agent
roles reversed what would you expect may to say,fair cop guv it waz us that did it |
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saddam
gadaffi assadd has anyone with years of notice owned up to using banned chemicals,never mind 24 hrs notice |
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@alextomo
Rhetoric and insults fly between London and Moscow but the UK cannot yet say where this Novichok came from. Now OPCW are here to collect samples as the UK badly needs independent evidential back up. |
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saddam didn't deny having them invited inspectors in and led his country to death and destruction and we,re now led to believe they didn't have them after all
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1st time poster
what do you say with 24 hrs notice and no access to the nertve agent roles reversed what would you expect may to say,fair cop guv it waz us that did it I think I would expect a more diplomatic response than what we got tbh. 3 people fighting for their lives and Putin makes a joke of it. |
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@alextomo.
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I,m not saying they did or didn't do it,but the likes of boris using putins response as a confession is ridiculous he was asked a question the uk new he wouldnt/couldnt answer
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off course anyone else in the weorld is now free to use this stuff if they can get hold or have dome because the uk has got the world to agree only the Russians have access to it,
any idea what happens if the weapons people say other people have access to the agent used |
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By the way if anyone's into the espionage stuff, read about Igor Orlov.
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without proof to say otherwise,you,d be pretty green to think ex Russian spys,current Russian spys are all active in Salisbury because of the spire and the racing ,and not whats 6 miles down the road
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What is 6 miles down the road?
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8 - Porton Down
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for all those saying we must trust the word of the torys and treadon may on this or your a traitor etc,let me tremind people that its only a year ago that the queen looked treason may in the eye and asked her if she had the dup onside and could form a government, treason lied and said yes when she didn't have term onside for another 2 weeks,she can lie to the queen and you yhink she cant ,wouldn't mislead to the commons hopping the evidence comes later
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Chairman May and the Tory Lie Machine
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the eu right behind us
merkel sending putin her best wishes after his election win macron meeting putin next month |
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Does germany have form on this sort of behaviour? I wouldn't trust merkel - look what she has done to germany.
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junker the latest to offer putin his best wishes of course the bbc mention this but not merkels tweet,or macrons visit
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the strangling story going a bit wrong now - might not be able to blame putin this time
but the traffic round my way is terrible at rush hour is he fiddling with the traffic lights - has he hacked them? |
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Mossad
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they are more interested in this ant fool than Telford - they are all over it
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CIA "black Op"
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strong rumour not nerve gas but weed killer
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Putin's trying to wreck our economy by creating those recent 'Beasts from the East' weather patterns! It has to be his fault as they quite clearly came from Russia! :)
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May on the ITV news tonight, walks in like Blair did with Bush (the big I am), didn't let the reporter ask any questions during her rant against the Russians (still no proof it was defo them) and then fluffed her lines when lying at the end. pitiful woman really
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This becoming more and more farcical each day.
Latest news this evening. After weeks since the ' incident' A) The bench the couple were on has only now been removed ! B) Government are now advising anyone who was in the restaurant/ pub, to wash their clothes ( if not already done so ?? But any clothes that require dry cleaning are NOT to be dry cleaned. Instead, the Council have to be contacted and they will collect and dispose of the items in question.!!!?? This is laughable nonsense. A Monty Pyhton sketch couldn't do it justice. The U.K. Public is being treated with utter ridicule and contempt by this joke of a government. |
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and I have always voted Tory
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I'm sure there's a lot more going on than the government is letting on. This nerve agent I'm sure has a 'top secret' label on it, so I'm not surprised that the government have to be very careful what information they give out both to the press and the public. Also, probably several 'D' notices have been given out to the press over the last few weeks.
Porton Down actually would have known fairly quickly what the agent was, but it still takes a few days to analyse it in their laboratories. The 2 weeks that is being mentioned is the time taken for samples to be delivered to the various interested parties on mainland Europe, analysing the agent accurately and coming up with the result. Remember this Novichok stuff is incredibly dangerous. I did here that 1g of the substance would be enough to kill the world's population, so only microscopic/molecular quantities is needed to kill many people that touch it. |
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Terry what makes you say there isn't any evidence?
The EU have accepted the findings of the UK. |
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Amazing then that the 40 people who were taken to hospital, we're all released with no symptoms.
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doctor on record
no one except policeman & Russian man /daughter hosp |
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From the high court yesterday "samples taken from the two victims show it was Novichok or SOMETHING SIMILAR"
Boris said defo Novichok from his information,surely he cant have made a mistake? |
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they would Aka
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