I have to go now
A very nice tall pale man with a foreign accent has delivered another case of vodka so I will indulge with the rest of cheltenham now.

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as your leading cult on this forum

way ahead of you in analysis and first with the news

We won't have any clue what's really going on now until enough documents are declassified and somebody writes a book in a few decades time. Blindly believing the security state or a 'conspiracy theory' is a s stupid as each other. History shows the official story often is the conspiracy theory. We just don't have a clue.

moisok... I'm not sure if I like the theory idea of a c0ck up, myself.

It leads you back to the sort of questions whisper asks... if Skripal was the only intended target of whoever done it - and to be bumped off discretely - then shirley there's better ways of going about it than mucking about with the margarita ingredients in a restaurant in Salisbury?

Motives for doing it this way... for the Russians, it would be spreading the message that they're ruthless (this is obvs much more impactful than reports of a man falling off a stepladder at home, which probably gets no further than The Salisbury Tribune). For the UK AKA inside job, very similar reasons but in reverse - hard to be incandescent across the water off the back of a pensioner falling off a stepladder at his home.

And even if it was a c0ck-up, you're still nowhere closer to knowing who done it (botch job or not) or why.

The 23 individuals are known to UK Govt, dusty. It's just debated whether or not they are "officially" spies. (Again, it's not like we'll ever know whether they are or not so, once again, we have to make do with a "yes they are" "no they're not" panto play out between Uk and Russia )

What I wondered when I first heard it was wondering whether the daughter had attempted to do it and done herself at the same time by mistake.
She's a Russian citizen and if he can be devious then why cant she?
Also his son died at 43 and his wife also dead.
This is the life by choice.

Britain, and the world needs brave people like them

moisik... Ha! Enjoy. And you're absolutely right to question assumptions. I'm stuck at home waiting for car to get serviced so have time to do what I can to extrapolate thoughts and theories in the great chit chat search for justice. (Have already made my annual search in the attic for Lord Lucan and he's not there, so need something else to occupy me).

dusty... interesting theory. I'm a bit doubtful whether a spy "retires" myself - all sorts of sh1t can lurk about for years I'd have thought, even after interrogation, spy swap etc. etc. Also quite a coincidence that the daughter came over on a flight just the day before.

There seems to be an element of "mystery" surrounding the deaths of his brother, wife and son. It's once again going to be nothing more conjecture whatever we make of it at the present time, but if you were laying an #OddsOnThat for three members of a former spy's family to have died in these circumstances, and for that spy and his daughter now to be have been poisoned, what odds would you offer?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/poisoned-russian-spy-had-feared-12134627
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5485165/Paratrooper-brother-Russian-spy-died-car-accident.html

I see that George Galloway has asked the same question on twitter, Sontaran. You get a range of theories/answers on there.

It obvs isn't hospital policy to take some snaps of their patients and send to media/members of the public who want to see the evidence with their own eyes. And, if they're both unconscious, they aren't going to be in a position to ask for a photo to be taken like Litvinenko did. With a story like this, tho, it would probably be fair to wonder how a pic hasn't been leaked, or why there haven't been updates from the hospital. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/03/13/friends-yulia-skripal-say-doubt-still-alive-raise-concerns-british/

I'd personally stop short at one tweet I saw - "how do we even know they're in hospital?". Far too many people would have to be in on it/shut up for something like that to work imo.

Msm stories about the daughter being the target from the would be mother-in-law ,could go for this one ,had a mother-in-law just the same ,tried the old poising routine every time i went for Christmas Dinner ,nerve agent ! She could ooze the stuff  out of  every pore

Have we had any updates on the health of the Russian Father & daughter or the policeman ?

It is a binary agent. Safe until combined. It is made from AGROCHEMICALS - this means anyone with certain skills can make it.  To make it so very potent apparently it took years to perfect.
I understand it was 'undeclared' yet our ambassador and US personal was at the site where it was tested. I am not sure what all that means if it wasn't undeclared why were they able to see it??? 
I think the russians have fked up big time here.  It really sounds as if they have been totally careless at worst and are hugely embarrased because someone or agency has acted independently and just want to deny deny deny. Even though there was not a large store of it (or was a large store of it) someone agency could have got some and even passed it on to others??

If Putin sanctioned it then it is different gravy and an act of war.

May has said as much about it being Russia/putin or another agency,  but is milking this politically before they have the evidence.
The authorities don't even know how it got here - that is very frightening - think what a threat this is to this country.

if you believe everything we,re told 14 Russians are possibly killed by all sorts of methods and go undectected,unconcerned by the uk government, but a toxic substance so deadly its a threat to us all ,fails to kill 2 people its directly used on, nothing adds up

I think Corbyn is absolutely right to question May. So called Intelligence has fouled up so many times I wouldn't trust them to teach me the Green Cross Code.

They could be in Whitehall a week on Monday if they wanted to. I believe choosing ones enemies carefully is sage on this occasion..

whether there guilty or not the election theory must be the biggest red herring in the history of red herrings,and is now been trotted out as fact as a motive by the gullable media in this country with no questions asked,well I,ll ask a few,
this took place 7 days before the election
an election he was always going to win by a landslide
if they,d collapsed in the house they could have been there for days,weeks before been found
the government didnt get really excited till the policemen was involved who was surely collateral damage
of 14 other suspect deaths the uk didnt mention,investigate any of them for week,s,months or ever,so why did putin think this would get coverage in hr,s days
another theory been put forward is to increase voter turnout,well in what the west call a **** election if putin wanted a high  turn out he,d do what other countrys do and what has been considered in the uk,making voting compulsory
to achieve,plan all this it would have been done a month ago not 6 days before the election, imo

It's the Tower for you 1st time.  There has been an assault on our kingdom and you are siding with PUtin. He did it.   I know this coz the strongman of europe, Tereason May, has said so.

And its in the guardian too - so there!!!

In fairness, 1st time, they have advised everyone in Salisbury to clean their phone with a wet wipe.

I am using persil

all the experts on here told us it was 2 liquids joined together but the usa reporting it was a powder in the cars ventilation system. liquid or powder not hard to answer when you,ve already apportioned blame