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Why are so many people against Religion ? ( Honsest views please )
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offline - yet able to type - visitation of relatives broadband.
Ivan Panin - spent 50 years analyzing the structure of the bible. nobody in the first century writes a book about a man on a cross, using logarithms and maths. it isn't done? it's mad. the bible was built. it was not written. Modern supercomputers cannot replicate what the bible did in it's structures. HARVARD graduate. fionavon can't even believe in a Harvard graduate existing? see below, what chance has he got to get to the afterlife with Jesus.... any odds - open a book? |
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Thanks aasbff, the paintings are mine apart from one by Velasquez (Felicia Cranberry) and a few kids abstractions. I've never tried selling them, I just paint for pleasure.
Perhaps I am going soft but I don't claim to know things I don't know. |
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Where did I say anything about Harvard graduates, Zorro
 The chances of me having an afterlife with Jesus are a big fat zero and it's the same for you Zoz. It's a long and tortuous garden path and you are being led by the nose. |
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In his essay "Why I Deny Religion, How Silly and Fantastic It Is, and Why I'm a Dedicated and Vociferous Bright," Randi, who identifies himself as an atheist,[86] has stated that many accounts in religious texts, including the virgin birth, the miracles of Jesus Christ, and the parting of the Red Sea by Moses, are not believable. For example, Randi refers to the Virgin Mary as being "impregnated by a ghost of some sort, and as a result produced a son who could walk on water, raise the dead, turn water into wine, and multiply loaves of bread and fishes" and questions how Adam and Eve "could have two sons, one of whom killed the other, and yet managed to populate the earth without committing incest." He writes that, compared to the Bible, "The Wizard of Oz is more believable. And much more fun."[87]
However, he also highlights: "I’ve said it before: there are two sorts of atheists. One sort claims that there is no deity, the other claims that there is no evidence that proves the existence of a deity; I belong to the latter group, because if I were to claim that no god exists, I would have to produce evidence to establish that claim, and I cannot. Religious persons have by far the easier position; they say they believe in a deity because that’s their preference, and they’ve read it in a book. That’s their right." Wiki |
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Does this mean zorro you have actually been evicted and all this was just about you having to move in with relatives and you will be continuing to be god's poster boy forthwith?
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Good stuff Foinavon.
A good hobby to have when you've had a bad day's betting or heated discussions on here eh, clears the mind.  |
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Please do not take this offensively as I mean none.
But why is there so much heat towards one another on this thread ? ( to be honest I sense much goodness here). Just a quick question for anyone against Religion or God himself. Do you believe in the spiritual side of the human soul ? Search your feelings and if you are honest you know there's something. So please stop disrespecting one another and Zorro don't let others upset you so. |
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No heat / disrespect from me, Diff.
Interesting how there was not one single response to http://www.ucb.co.uk/word-for-today.html comments on how science proves the Bible to be true.  Today's Word is good ... enjoy your week-end folks  One of the first books to come off the printing press when it was invented was the Bible. And it’s still the world’s best-selling book. An anonymous author has written: ‘It contains the mind of God, the state of man, the way of salvation, the fate of sinners, and the happiness of believers. It is a light to direct you, food to nourish you, and comfort to cheer you. It is the traveller’s road map, the pilot’s compass, the soldier’s weapon, and the player’s game plan. It’s a mine of incredible wealth, and a river of genuine joy. Its doctrines are holy, its precepts are binding, its histories are true, and its decisions are immutable. Christ is its grand subject, your good its design, and the glory of God its end. Read it to be wise, believe it to be safe, practise it to be spiritually healthy. Read it slowly, frequently and prayerfully. Let it fill your memory, rule your heart, and guide your steps. It is given to you in life, will be opened at the judgment, and be remembered forever. It involves the highest responsibility, will reward the greatest labour, and judge those who trifle with its sacred contents.’ The Bible is ‘the word of our God [which] endures forever’ (Isaiah 40:8 NIV 2011 Edition). Most of us respect the Bible; the trouble is we don’t read it daily and put it into practice. After hearing a discussion on various translations of the Bible, one man said: ‘I prefer my mother’s translation, because she translated it into everyday life.’ Are you doing that? |
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Read it slowly, frequently and prayerfully. Let it fill your memory, rule your heart, and guide your steps. It is given to you in life, will be opened at the judgment, and be remembered forever. It involves the highest responsibility, will reward the greatest labour, and judge those who trifle with its sacred contents.
This is why there is animosity on both sides non believers are fed up with men in robes telling us oh the bible stories aren't to be taken literally(Notice this'concession')is a relatively modern one due to religionists unable to reconcile a bronze age narrative with the advances in modern science and culture. it's not that long ago when you would be socially ostracised If you described yourself as atheist or non religious,in parts of America it still applies. Children have been mentally abused by the threat of hell and judgment for eons. |
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Wise words today ...
The people of Israel ended up living as slaves in Babylon because they disobeyed God and decided to do their own thing. And they paid a high price for it. They lost their homes, their jobs, their freedom, and their self-respect. Has that happened to you? Well, there’s good news. God says: ‘The plans I have for you…are plans for good and not for disaster, to give you a future and a hope. In those days when you pray, I will listen. If you look for me wholeheartedly, you will find me…I will end your captivity and restore your fortunes’ (Jeremiah 29:11-14 NLT). That means God still has a plan for your life. And if you seek Him ‘wholeheartedly’, He will reveal it to you. You ask, ‘How do you know God still has a plan for me?’ Because you’re still breathing! He has a plan for every single person He ever created, and it never goes out of date. Unlike the milk in your supermarket that has an expiration date after which it can’t be used, God’s plans don’t have expiration dates. Even if you’ve gone astray and missed His plan for years, that plan can still swing into operation the moment you turn your life over to Him and fall into line with His will. Now the plan may be somewhat modified from what it would have been twenty years ago if you’d paid attention, but that doesn’t stop God. He can adapt to fit anything that comes up in any life that’s ever lived, including yours. |
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what a load of old sheite!
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trilby
Like I asked of zorro but never got a reasoned response; how is it the responsibility or even a possibility to love someone or thing that you have no first hand knowledge of? You can't train yourself to love something whether you experience it or not, love is just an expression of great feeling that is a bi-product of other people's actions. In this instance, to love god would take god to revel himself first, and for love to grow. What the religious suggest is that the things around you are attributable to him and that is what you should love him for, but then say the bad things arn't him but are because of you, or satan or some other thing. Reasoned people required reasoned evidence of the situation, that is why we ask questions of everything to determine the likeliest of outcomes. The leap of faith to which you refer is just positive thinking; if you want something badly enough you convince yourself you gain it. 'Virtue is and of itself the reward', i.e.. you reward yourself for doing the 'right' thing, not others backslapping you, that was said 2500 years ago in ancient Greece. We now know that pleasure derives from the chemical toxins released in the brain that stimulate the synapses. Therefore when you seek something from the unknown such as god you translate any and all stimulus to be attributable to the thing you want to find. It doesn't prove the thing you wanted actually exists. |
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God reveals himself to those with good hearts that can hear, and not just talk.
it's said that it's a sick mind indeed that only talks and never listens. it's said in the bible that faith comes through the HEARING of God's WORD. Not the reading of God's word. God is picking the ones with good hearts. the ones not steeped in PRIDE and high wisdom of the Greeks(proofs). he does not want the self righteous. only the sinners and the humble. People that understand the wretched existence of life. the good time charlies are excluded from the kingdom of God. Asking for proof - only proves you are lost to God. if you believe in God, in Jesus.. you are saved. because you believe you can never lose your grace. anyone who cries out to the lord is saved. whether you are baptist,jew,chinese,methodist, catholic.. etc. 40 days are left heathen - start reading your bible aloud. it might save you?  |
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new madrid - usa. the sign of jonah
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i'm visiting my relatives, they live a couple of miles away.
Dustybin is a fantasy minded ????? where he gets all this misinformation is brain boggling. the big book of suppositions. comes with the dawkins spaghetti monster cook book and an airfix kit of a lancaster bomber. oh.... 40 days... it's closing down time. |
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I honestly don't know how you have the nerve zorro.
Referring to the book of abstracted ambiguity that only continues because of the lack of any substance and the re-interpretting from the needy. |
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Methinks those relatives that zorro will be continually leaning on to continue his internet deliverance to those who's only fault is seemingly not subscribing to his clique and are therefore damned with threats of the unknown and unproven, will become weary and ask him to pay for his own internet use.
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Trilby22..............good cop
Zorrostrikes..........bad cop Abrahamic religions...mythology from warmongering desert tribes. |
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Trilby wise words today.
Your post is a good like many others are on here. My own experience .. My Catholic mother had me baptised and I remember going to church when I was a child but in my teens I stopped going and done other things teens do. But in later years I became selfish and broke good women's hearts by lying and cheating on them. Then recently I cheated on the mother of my daughter and she asked me to be truthful and I was for the 1st time honest. I had to change somehow because what I was doing was breaking good people through my selfishness. I never knew either I was suffering from depression for over 30 yrs a doctor told me. But no excuses I was the problem no one else. I never knew taking holy communion without confession was wrong. Only when my wife told a priest what I had done did he tell me I shouldn't have taken communion. So I seeked help via confession and wise words from our priest. And turned my life right around and since that day I've never had depression since. Never miss Sunday mass either and each day I realise how lucky I am even though I have a child with disabilities. From my teens to adulthood I forsaken God but he never forsaken me and I am not worthy of his Love but he had a plan Not all evil is bad as virgin Mary said because sometimes evil brings us back to God. My wife doesn't trust me and still now I swear part of her hates me. But I know if I didn't do what I did to her I'd still be living that selfish way and God's holy doors where closing upon me. Now he has told me through prayer they are reopened as long as I do not become a hypocrite and lead that old life again. |
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How would you describe the pay off you seem to think you receive as a result of being accepted in god's will?
Have you ever taken synthetic drugs btw? |
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From my experience the vast majority lay claim to something glorious, but have no idea of scale since most have never taken MDMA or similar.
You have a couple of those and reflect upon what you think you have without them. |
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Sorry I do not understand the drugs question ?
I've not touched drugs since the 90s. |
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What I am asking is for you to describe the experience that being evangelical does to you.
If you have taken drugs then we can boil it down. Feelings derive from the pleasure principle, the production of dopamine, serotonin etc that is naturally regulated. The drugs like MDMA act as a catalyst in the flooding of the system which results in extreme well being or 'euphoria'. Now we know that by definition no experience will naturally reproduce these synthetic highs, if they did your heart would collapse as the bi-product of the toxin's effect on internal organs (which is why the human body regulates their production) When you do something that 'your constitution' determines to be something that encourages endorphins release then you experience a very small amount of pleasure (like viewing a photo of your family....upto say, bungie jumping) But nothing puts you into a state of euphoria naturally. So where does the satisfaction you experience come in relation to MDMA? And cant you then determine that the feelings you experience are simply a result of chemicals present in your brain? |
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In short, god is just the experience you have as a result of chemicals, and wont ever be as strong as the pleasure man can create in a lab. (IMO)
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Lets face it, even from those individuals who believe in god, very few ever say god have literally spoken to him; its generally an interpretation of some event that they assume to be god.
Now when I referred to a 'constitution' I mean in one way how receptive to certain things an individual is. For E.G, those that 'seek' god have the desire to 'find' him, and so are open to suggestion, however small or unlikely the association. That 'experience' actually encourages the endorphin release which they interpret to be the experience of god, when it was as I mentioned earlier 'the individual rewarding themself' by natural means. |
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MDMA is great. A lot of good and random adventures on that stuff for sure.
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The strongest drug I've ever tried is a double espresso.
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Think diff-rent is on crack cocaine.If its mental illness diff-rent I apologise .
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Dusty seems to think i'm getting a pleasure out of seeing good people damn themselves?
You are Satan's subjects until you actively opt out. this is Satan's kingdom, not hell. Satan does not rule hell. it's his final destination. He is at liberty. The Muhammadans believe you are Muslim until you opt out. it's the same guy selling the same goods. if you choose anything else, your own rules, your own opinions, your own belief system you are with the world and Satan. the come to Christ moment is here. refuse at this stage and you are losing your inheritance. I have good relatives that have chosen atheism and false teachers. i do not get any pleasure from seeing them choose judgement . i do not know for sure how God will view their lives. I hope God gives them a chance at the raising up but i doubt it from what i've read. they had a choice and made it. there will be a lot of crying in heaven for lost family. but eternity is long and memory is short. God says the tears will be wiped away. |
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Do you tell them this before or after you ponce their goodwill internet use?
Sounds familiar...... |
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May I ask this question to non-believers and please answer truthfully.
Do you put any trust in the Royal Family if not why ? The Queen of England acknowledges God and she has said this on many occasions. Samuel arguably one of the greatest prophets said.... 6 Then Samuel said to the people, “It is the Lord who appointed Moses and Aaron and brought your ancestors up out of Egypt. 7 Now then, stand here, because I am going to confront you with evidence before the Lord as to all the righteous acts performed by the Lord for you and your ancestors. 8 “After Jacob entered Egypt, they cried to the Lord for help, and the Lord sent Moses and Aaron, who brought your ancestors out of Egypt and settled them in this place. 9 “But they forgot the Lord their God; so he sold them into the hand of Sisera, the commander of the army of Hazor, and into the hands of the Philistines and the king of Moab, who fought against them. 10 They cried out to the Lord and said, ‘We have sinned; we have forsaken the Lord and served the Baals and the Ashtoreths. But now deliver us from the hands of our enemies, and we will serve you.’ 11 Then the Lord sent Jerub-Baal,[a] Barak,[b] Jephthah and Samuel,[c] and he delivered you from the hands of your enemies all around you, so that you lived in safety. 12 “But when you saw that Nahash king of the Ammonites was moving against you, you said to me, ‘No, we want a king to rule over us’—even though the Lord your God was your king. 13 Now here is the king you have chosen, the one you asked for; see, the Lord has set a king over you. 14 If you fear the Lord and serve and obey him and do not rebel against his commands, and if both you and the king who reigns over you follow the Lord your God—good! 15 But if you do not obey the Lord, and if you rebel against his commands, his hand will be against you, as it was against your ancestors. 16 “Now then, stand still and see this great thing the Lord is about to do before your eyes! 17 Is it not wheat harvest now? I will call on the Lord to send thunder and rain. And you will realize what an evil thing you did in the eyes of the Lord when you asked for a king.” 18 Then Samuel called on the Lord, and that same day the Lord sent thunder and rain. So all the people stood in awe of the Lord and of Samuel. 19 The people all said to Samuel, “Pray to the Lord your God for your servants so that we will not die, for we have added to all our other sins the evil of asking for a king.” 20 “Do not be afraid,” Samuel replied. “You have done all this evil; yet do not turn away from the Lord, but serve the Lord with all your heart. 21 Do not turn away after useless idols. They can do you no good, nor can they rescue you, because they are useless. 22 For the sake of his great name the Lord will not reject his people, because the Lord was pleased to make you his own. 23 As for me, far be it from me that I should sin against the Lord by failing to pray for you. And I will teach you the way that is good and right. 24 But be sure to fear the Lord and serve him faithfully with all your heart; consider what great things he has done for you. 25 Yet if you persist in doing evil, both you and your king will perish.” Many have said once our Queen gives up her Royal duties this Royal monarchy will begin to fall. |
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The Queen believes in God.
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I don't like that phrase `far be it for me` seems ridiculous to hear the prophet Samuel say that.
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verse 23
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That is why she has out loved The Queen of England is the longest servernt in English history.
But of course this has nothing to do with her faith in God !!! |
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the Queen is immortal, God willing.
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Sorry meant to say..
The Queen is England's longest servernt and monarch in history. It isn't by luck. Who is there worthy of taking her place ? SHE was given to us by God if you like it or not sorry. |
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The Queen has never hidden her strong Christian faith. In celebration of her 90th birthday, Mark Greene presents ten significant quotes from her famous speeches
The Queen doesn’t reveal what she thinks about a whole host of subjects, but about her trust in Christ she has been open, clear and direct. Here are ten quotes that show something of the Queen’s relationship with Christ and how that strengthens her and shapes the way she lives and works 1. Putting her service in the hands of God 'I declare before you all that my whole life whether it be long or short shall be devoted to your service and the service of our great imperial family to which we all belong. But I shall not have strength to carry out this resolution alone unless you join it with me, as I now invite you to do: I know that your support will be unfailingly given. God help me to make good my vow, and God bless all of you who are willing to share it.' (21st birthday radio address, 1947) 2. The only way to live her life 'I know just how much I rely on my faith to guide me through the good times and the bad. Each day is a new beginning. I know that the only way to live my life is to try to do what is right, to take the long view, to give of my best in all that the day brings, and to put my trust in God!' (2002) 3. Why Jesus is unique 'Although we are capable of great acts of kindness, history teaches us that we sometimes need saving from ourselves – from our recklessness or our greed. God sent into the world a unique person – neither a philosopher nor a general (important though they are) – but a Saviour, with the power to forgive.' (2011) 4. What sustains her in difficult times 'To many of us our beliefs are of fundamental importance. For me the teachings of Christ and my own personal accountability before God provide a framework in which I try to lead my life. I, like so many of you, have drawn great comfort in difficult times from Christ's words and example.' (2000) |
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5. How Christ is the inspiration in her life
'For me, the life of Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace, whose birth we celebrate today, is an inspiration and an anchor in my life. A role-model of reconciliation and forgiveness, he stretched out his hands in love, acceptance and healing. Christ’s example has taught me to seek to respect and value all people of whatever faith or none.' (2014) 6. God's gift of reconciliation 'The gift I would most value next year is that reconciliation should be found wherever it is needed. A reconciliation which would bring peace and security to families and neighbours at present suffering and torn apart. Remember that good spreads outwards and every little does help. Mighty things from small beginnings grow as indeed they grew from the small child of Bethlehem.' (1976) 7. Jesus gives us strength to follow him 'Christ not only revealed to us the truth in his teachings. He lived by what he believed and gave us the strength to try to do the same - and, finally, on the cross, he showed the supreme example of physical and moral courage.' (1981) 8. How God restored love to our lives through Jesus 'This is the time of year when we remember that God sent his only son 'to serve, not to be served'. He restored love and service to the centre of our lives in the person of Jesus Christ.' (2012) 9. The challenge of Christian discipleship 'In difficult times we may be tempted to find excuses for self-indulgence and to wash our hands of responsibility. Christmas stands for the opposite... we need to go out and look for opportunities to help those less fortunate than ourselves, even if that service demands sacrifice.' (1980) 10. Why no one is beyond God's love 'For Christians, as for all people of faith, reflection, meditation and prayer help us to renew ourselves in God’s love, as we strive daily to become better people. The Christmas message shows us that this love is for everyone. There is no one beyond its reach.' (2013) Mark Greene is co-author of The Servant Queen and the King she serves, and Executive Director of LICC |