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Dreadful Fire in London tower block!
Dreadful Fire in London tower block!
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I think they are spreading so many rumours on social media to stir things up it is impossible to know what is true.
Nothing in the notes from the residents meeting about no fire alarms. |
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No dont protest , dont ask questions just keep bending over for your masters
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Yes IT i do agree it is digusting that at least 58 are dead
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The only thing they should be doing at this stage anxious is pressing for a thorough investigation.
People spreading rumours and residents responding to them whilst nobody knows who is at fault. Was it the design or the material used? Lets say it was the materials then who do you blame? The regulators? Contractor might have cut corners and used unsuitable materials so building control might be liable for not properly supervising. There will be loads of scenarios so lets wait to see who is at fault before starting the lynchings. |
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well said insider trader
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you are quite right aka
a fair trial first then jail them |
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These poor people have every sympathy with my but some people are using it for a wider agenda. Support will die quickly with them if they push too far.
Let's re-home those affected, put them up in hotels if must (I suggested this already the day of the disaster) but agree with Akabula to let authorities get on with what they are supposed to do. |
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Yes everybody should shut up , this is your lot in life.
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The problems are many aka this is just one. From the express..
EU regulations set out rules for buildings’ energy consumption with Britain signed up to the 2010 Energy Performance of Buildings Directive. Under the directive, the UK is required to report to the European Commission on progress towards national energy efficiency targets each year. Article 24 of the directive was cemented into UK law in April 2014 and a Government report says “bringing as many residential and commercial buildings as possible up to a high level of energy performance is a priority for the UK Government”. I believe this BS has allowed them all to do this and tell their share holders/voters how green they are. |
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No not everybody anxious just people like you who are as ignorant as the rest of us to who and what was at fault here.
You've jumped on this tragedy to use it to attack the Tories. Quite shameful actually. |
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I was reading about that Foxy.
Given priority over safety? Who knows, but possible. |
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I have a feeling nobody did anything illegal/ The cladding was not illegal. It might have been morally reprehensible but not illegal. There was probably no legal requirement to install a sprinkler system.
Personally I think they would be better to chase the money. Audit the money trail find out who got what and why. Who are the Directors and Shareholders of the firms that won the contracts. Look at the Bank Accounts of those who awarded the contracts or were infulential within the Town Hall. You will not find any of these people guilty of negligence. You might find them guilty of corruption and that would be a start for me. |
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good response whispering
but I think my idea will at least get results apart from anything else it would scare anyone trying to do this in the future |
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When I had to deal with building inspectors they were very nice and helpful and there was hardly any argument with my contractors and employees about the inspection. However, when the older generation retired it was almost completely different. The constant refrain from my people was ' they don't know what they are talking about'. The young inspectors looked and acted like they had just come straight from college, with no practical experience. Often I would get an older one later who would contradict the younger ones
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The only thing they should be doing at this stage anxious is pressing for a thorough investigation.
and somewhere to live, and clothes and facilities to wash, and eat, and food, and where their loved ones are ... |
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Everyone rides the system, thats opportunism for you and its decreed from above (parliament) that opportumism is virtuous ffs.
Its a whole s hitpot of selfish people from top to bottom looking after themselves, thats why people want real change because they are frankly sick of it all. |
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bosses of company that installed Grenfell Tower cladding"pumped £2.5 million into tax avoidance schemes"
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Good points there Dusty
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The key questions for me are who in Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation commissioned this project, what advice if any did they ask for or get. did they ask for or get an alternative quote for the slightly non flammable panels.
The flammable panels sell for £22 per square metre, just £2 cheaper than the fire-resistant version, which could have been used for £5,000 more as 2,000 square metres were used.  Five p0xy grand. |
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indeed the question would be what did they ask for and what were they offered no need to lead them to a cop out answer |
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and who did they ask !
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I suspect this was a Design and Build project these renovations usually are, in which case how did that (minimum extra cost) get past their (the managment organisation) architect, do they even have one?. If not it should have been outsourced to a reputable practice, like Watkins Gray International for example they are among the best there is in residential projests.
I think I know the answers but can't put them on here, for obvious reasons. |
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If the original design was such that a fire in one flat would be contained for a substantial time enough to be put out that's probably as good or better than one that wouldn't be contained that relies on technology to fix it that would fail catastrophically if the technology failed. Of course doing both would be ideal. But the problem here is changing the design to negate the original built in safety.
Have there been other fires in similar flats down the 50 years flats like this have been up that had no issues? I'd hazard a guess there have been many. They install the cladding in 2016 on just one of these 5 examples and 2017 the place goes up like a roman candle in 30 minutes as they've wrapped the thing in ****ing flammable material and ducted air over it. I don't see sprinklers as the issue. Sprinklers are like airbags in car, what they've done here is removed the bl00dy brakes. |
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Spot on JC.
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I'm reminded of the Mary Rose for some rason - AFAIK The original design was apparently fine, sails fine for years, then at the late stages they decide to whack more heavy guns on the top than it was ever designed for. Unstable, the thing capsizes.
Anxious's great great x 10 grandfather blamed Spiv Tories and the Murdoch town crier |
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Hot night, windopws open, fire spreads outdoors, catches the cladding and re enters the building elsewhere.
Was this scenario ignored? |
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It was mentioned earlier (yesterday I think) injera, can't remember which broadcaster as I've listened to so many hours on this.
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saying this was not considered when the project went ahead, despite the evidence from OZ and Dubai.
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injera in my experience nothing was considered outside of blinging the place up for the benefit of rich powerful nearby residents. A vanity project with the added bonus of pleasing the green (EU) lobby.
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Sounds most plausible Foxy.
You wouldn't need to worry about the windows being open when nothing to burn outside. Adding the cladding changed that and probably not considered as you say. |
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Seeing people from Egypt, Syria and Ethiopia complaining about our building regulations makes me wonder two things. What are they like in their country of origin and what resonance with British voters outside London does this have? Genuine question btw.
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In all honesty GOT I think this has resonated around the world, people I know are calling it a Kennedy moment. I don't think this will go away anytime soon, just my opinion.
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Agreed Foxy.
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Were the residents uninsured?
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Seeing people from Egypt, Syria and Ethiopia complaining about our building regulations makes me wonder two things. What are they like in their country of origin
Makes me wonder too! If they were complaining, how bad was it! |
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Is it possible the building could still collapse ?
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I don't think so.
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