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Why the bloody wait, just get him back to his family and replace him with Tony Blair.
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Just coincidence his new sentence is just about the time he has served.
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so,the guy's a soldier fighting a war in a war situation
senses amped up 24/7 yet the libtards decree you can't fight a war hope the dude can manage to get some compo |
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Should never have been in jail in the first place.
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To the above:
If your father, brother os son was wounded in battle would you prefer the enemy execute him while he was lying injured on the floor? “Obviously this doesn’t go anywhere fellas. I just broke the Geneva Convention", was what he said after the murder. He knew what he did stood directly against the law. If our soldiers go around killing wounded men they're just as bad as the evil regimes they're fighting. |
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The case eventually centred around the stress he was under and the conditions he was facing daily.
He has served the country with exemplary behaviour up to this incident. No allowance was made for his mental state until after the conviction. Given that it was a manslaughter charge due to diminished responsibility then he should have been released immediately. 7 years a nonsense and should have been a discharge without punishment. |
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Agree with Mr Eboue. If this incident had been the other way around many of the same people suggesting a miscarriage of justice would be outraged by the enemy fighter.
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Funny that a lot of the quotes about his mental state were from sources who often complain that the condition is a sham used by so called do gooders to get culprits off.
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Spot on fife. Shocking hypocrisy.
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No hypocrisy MrE, just an appreciation of the conditions our soldiers have to face daily.
Still not surprising that people of a certain group or groups see it differently. |
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If I had my lung hanging out of my chest and a large gaping sucking wound and was conscious, I would be pleading to be put out of my misery, especially knowing I would die anyway. Free Al now. OARMAARM.
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I think he knew what he did and feel that he executed a prisoner.
Having seen one of his Colonels on the TV recently I think maybe he was out of control like plenty of others and should have been reined in earlier. I think the Campaign to release him feel aggrieved that he was charged with murder and feel that he should have been charged with manslaughter on the grounds etc. That I could understand. I think as an isolated incident it looks very bad on him but conditions were bad for a long time and maybe this affected him and his thinking. What I find amazing is any number of apologists defending his actions. He knows it was wrong so does anybody who is not a hippocrite. I have a friend who was involved in his campaign and they have never condoned his actions. The main aim of his campaign is to get him released and his murder conviction overturned. I dont think they are saying he is an innocent man. |
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la guerre c'est la guerre not a f*cking playground
before p0xy social media pervaded every facet of existence this must have been played out countless times in countless scenarios by ALL sides and never came to light it is what it is not the flower people of the 70s man |
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FIFE ,, YE CANNI POSIBLIE BE FI FIFE ,, YOU CAN SPELL
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He was out of order, you find a wounded enemy what do you do, put a bullet in his head ? This is of course an incredibly difficult environment of which the vast majority of us will never really understand
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every soldier should be accompanied by a lawyer who keeps all the ammo in his pocket
on being attacked, said lawyer should check his clipboard of terms of engagement after checking with the soldiers social worker and psychologist, subsequent decision on what action can take place and orders given to said soldier. This would avoid all these problems. |
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Geneva convention should not apply to anyone who is a member of the Taliban.
the Geneva convention does not apply to terrorist organisations, and should not do so the British Army should not be trying to take prisoner any member of the Taliban too dangerous, they might blow themselves and others up anyone who joins the Taliban should be shot on sight by the British army. |
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Check out the latest outpourings from CAGE, the guardian channel 4 and ALL tv news progs
You really wonder whose side they are on in relation to the fight for Mosul It is almost as if they are saying they should stop, blaming the Yanks and Brits for carpet bombing civilians. It now turns out that (as known for years) that Daesh use civilians as cover. Even the UN has woken up to this at last. Let's be honest. It is a right mess and expect plenty of casualties. As our great mayor mr kahn says - this is what living in a city is like - get used to it. |
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Mr Eboue 28 Mar 17 12:59
To the above: If your father, brother os son was wounded in battle would you prefer the enemy execute him while he was lying injured on the floor? Rather than have him filmed being burned alive or perhaps decapitated? Yes, I would prefer he took a qick exit. |
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ch 4 want them left alone so they can carry on with their wonderful
daesh morals and values. The excusnics would rather leave the population dangling in the wind(whoops!) |
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A piece borrowed from Facebook...
However, let us remember, amongst the euphoria, that Al still has a manslaughter conviction against his good name. The MoD and the panel of officers at Al's original court martial seem to have forgotten that the role of the infantry (and Royal Marines are amphibious infantry) is to "Close with and kill the enemy and to hold ground". Al did nothing more than what he was paid to do and I don't think that there is one Royal Marine (or Army soldier) who would not have done the same thing. The Taliban insurgent was virtually dead, if he wasn't already dead. One does not survive being hit by two or three 30mm cannon rounds from an Apache gunship. Was Al to risk the lives of his patrol in bringing in a dead insurgent? Should he have called for a land evacuation for the enemy through IED infested roads (which he would never have survived) or called in a Medical Emergency Response Team (MERT)? This would have endangered not only the crew and medical team on board, not to mention a valuable aircraft (which if downed would have handed the Taliban a propaganda scoop). Al Blackman did exactly the right thing in ensuring that the critically wounded Taliban fighter could no longer endanger either him or his patrol by squeezing a trigger or pulling the pin on a grenade. The MoD and the hierarchy in the Corps and the Armed Forces have a lot to answer for. Small wonder that recruitment figures are down and rates of retention are dropping. It is high time for a good shake up of the MoD and the government´s policies towards the Forces that do their bidding...... |
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these bastards should not presume on the good nature of the British armed forces, its bad manners.
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the first duty of any countries armed forces is that they are feared.
British soldiers should not be involved in any form of social services, they are there to kill the enemy. |
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combatant was un armed and wounded.
he executed him. if you replace the characters with a German soldier and a Brit. same circumstances - you'd all be mortified. Because it's OUR soldier it's okay to MURDER a man. Patriotism at it's worse level. I say murder because he attached a caustic phrase to the act. He invested hatred into killing an unarmed man. He could have spent one minute to tie the guys hands with a ziplock. His priority was not to waste any time on an enemy combatant. It was inconvenient to keep him as a prisoner. This leads to war where no prisoners can be kept. Soldiers would refuse to surrender because they may think they will be executed. So it would be all out battle. The Germans surrendered to The Russians in ww2 Stalingrad, only one in twenty survived after the surrender. This is why we have the rules of war. the Geneva convention. This was ignored and we clap the result? idiots. |
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if we declare open season on prisoners I'd like to know beforehand so I can buy shares in the company that makes body bags for our fallen soldiers
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This is how it works. If the taliban abide by the Geneva convention, Britain will do so .
If they don't the British armed forces are under no obligation to abide by the convention that seems like a good arrangement to me. |
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taliban prisoners can't be taken until, and unless, they stop blowing themselves up
It's too dangerous. |
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for the first and hopefully last time I totally agree with zorro.........
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Maybe it serves as a lesson to all those who want to fight for the country. You are the sheeps serving a war machinery. Blair and Bush cooked up a lie and it has changed both the Middle East AND Europe. Plus over a million are dead. This sheep goes all the way to Afghanistan to kill a man who he is told is his enemy. Laughable. Serves him well.
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swap german executing british wounded prisoner during ww2 and that did happen you would see a totally one sided thread........those germans were executed and rightly so
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Samuel P. Huntington's words come to my mind. He says the West has had an upper hand on most of the world through 'controlled violence'. We invade countries, supply countries with weapons to fight terrorists that we fund to fight other terrorists. Killing an unarmed man is just not the way of the west.
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btw,
Zorrostrikes. VERY good post |
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Whatever the circumstances that can happen,this bloke should never have been sentenced that way,it was decreed from above that a scapegoat was needed by the top brass who were safely out of the madness and refused to acknowledge that even mid range officers considered it too dangerous to visit the company and preferred to entertain Cheryl Cole rather than lead from the front.
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treetop.........think you would give a medal by the sound of it ....poor bloke
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Most of us have been involved in betting situations where we must decide whether to take 1.8 or wait for 1.9? Should I back or lay? Wait for a while and see what happens or bet now? Do I cash out or wait? If we're doing this inplay a snap decision is required and sometimes or perhaps frequently we make the wrong decision. Just a little bit of pressure can lead us to make the wrong decision.
This soldier had to make a real-time decision under enormous pressure - literally life or death. With after sight it seems he made the wrong decision. Was it murder? No. We all get things wrong. |
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Good to see some sensible posts from Zorro and Studyform. It may be a marginal call whether this soldier was guilty of murder or manslaughter but he certainly wasn't the wronged man that many want to believe. It really does not help us to be so hypocritical.
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Perhaps the Taliban/Isis should issue a statement if they abide by the Geneva convention.
Or what do you think they would do if they captured a British or American soldier? |
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I've seen what they did to Russian captives.
Personally, i'd have let him bleed to death.. |
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Do not let study form a grow up dust about innocent children being killed in Vietnam. Innocent children were killed in Germany, and Britain and Russia and France during WW2 .
We are not talking about the Geneva convention, that applies to war not terrorism and murder, If someone joins the taliban they no longer have the protection of the Geneva convention, They are in danger of , and should be, shot in sight by the British armed forces. We should not fear to show ourselves as oppressors of this barbaric ideology . |
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zorro says we would be mortified had lit been a German and British soldier.
Yes we would. and why. Because the rank and file British and German soldier was seen as behaving within the bounds of warfare. and fighting nobly and within the conventions of war. The average German soldier deserved respect. |