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I don't normally get involved in these anti muslim threads,
The Quran was made up by a warlord - if there was a god why would he be sending messages to such a wrong'en |
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Jerusalem is a holy city to three religions: Judaism, Islam and Christianity.
It is in Israel now, home of the Jews, what is your complaint? The GOD of all these three religions is the same GOD believe it or not.Christians believe Jesus was the son of GOD, the Jews do not. Islam believes Mohammed was a holy prophet neither the Jews or Christians believe this. If only we could all get on a bit better? |
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There's only one group that don't get along with anyone else.
I say group as it's not a religion - just a group of people that follow barbaric beliefs advised by a warlord ![]() |
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What about the other gods?
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I do not like to argue with you Ron, because you are a friend.
But it is not that simple. I will leave it. |
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Im not really a religious person tbh....not sure if i want educating as if your
not sure if true what's the point? You can find plenty of info - but whats true & whats not that's the problem on-line. Is this true below.... Christians should not regard Muslims with hatred, but instead with compassion. Their god, Allah, is a false god, and their eyes are blinded to the truth (see 2 Corinthians 4:4). We should be praying for Muslims and asking God to show them the truth, revealing His promise of mercy and freedom in Christ (2 Timothy 2:24–26). |
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Ron-Russian Joined: 18 Dec 10
Replies: 6794 13 May 16 23:22 Im not really a religious person tbh all though i have got a "I Love Jesus" sun strip in my car! ![]() |
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![]() Christians should not regard Muslims with hatred, but instead with compassion. Us Christians have not shown much compassion for Muslims since the First Gulf War.....have we? I do not think they regard us invading their countries and killing large numbers of them as compassion, and tbf neither would I, if I were them. Neither did the Crusaders show much compassion, or to Jews either. |
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I agree we, along with the USA think we're the police of the world for some reason.
Went poking our noses in - should of just left them to it, our interfering has led to their nonsense way of life coming here & spoiling ours. Should of nipped it in the bud - if the full face veil ain't banned here now it never will, so they'll just keep getting more & more power. |
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I think you are right there Ron
![]() Those people who think we can just mix everybody up.....are somewhat mistaken in my view. We are like a zoo, we have to be kept in different cages, some literally ![]() |
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no one comes to the father except by me. (either jesus is a liar, or he's telling the truth)
so christianity? cannot reconcile with the Muslim deity. but it can with the Jewish religion. the jewish religion is at it's core. Coptic Jews believe jesus is the messiah. 160,000 in israel. Arab christians too. All wait for the messiah's return. the bible says once Jesus returns a blindness that is covering the jews will be lifted and they will accept him as the messiah. the Christian god is the god of the jews. His covenant is with the jewish people for eternity. Abraham set out animals on rocks, split them apart in two. walked through the severed parts in a figure eight. Also known know as a moebius strip. FOREVER. the covenant with the jews is forever. |
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Or it could all be cobblers ,if there was a market on Betfair it would be 1000/1 to back it not being cobblers.
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Never ceases to amaze me how all religions/cults insist their perspective and belief is 100% correct.
The odds are they are all wrong but one thing that is certain is that they all can't be right. |
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Zorro the Christians have killed more Jews than the Muslims have ever done.
The Christians were taught the Jews crucified Christ. Look how many Hitler killed? The current problem is over land. The Palestinians Arabs believe Palestine belongs to them not the Jews, so they do not accept Israel. They have called jihad, a war in defence of Islam on this basis. All Muslims are bound to respond to this. Saladin called jihad when the First Crusade took Jerusalem. It is a way of uniting all Arabs. The Arabs are a nomadic, tribal people who constantly war with each other. |
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I just wish all three religions could make it up.
I suspect epicurean is right, but we have a right to our religious belief. I am sort of vague C of E, in the unlikely event it is true, might help if I have to talk myself into Heaven. Cushiest religion ever C of E, although I do try to do some Christian acts of charity, it makes for a better world. |
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Ebulgery - Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and not tried. Gilbert K. Chesterton
All the western leaders trot out that they believe in Christianity. I'm sure hitler was working for Satan. a prototype anti christ. Nimrod was the first, a leader that tries to control the whole world. Alexander, Napoleon. There will be another. the land was given to ABRAHAM for eternity. Both the Jews and the ARABS recognize Abraham as a prominent prophet. Therefore the deed points out the land belongs to the jews. Argue with god - who swore by his own holy name. Charity is appeasement for your Conscience, your mind recognizes an evil so vast it cannot be solved. Not because there isn't enough resources but because greed and willful corruption will not let it be solved. Points cannot be totaled up with God. No amount of good deeds gets you into heaven. A simple yes to Jesus does. (all your good deeds are filthy rags - isiah). |
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Well I am not really religious zorro
I believe in good acts, not faith, in fact I believe in the opposite of faith proof, which is what science demands. I wish we could stop this stupid quasi war with the Muslims, we seem to have become trapped in it. I do not object to them myself, I do not believe they imprison their women as others do, in fact I feel like I am living in a society. in the West where women imprison us .....but that is probably down to my own misogyny more than anything else.I have no objection to religion if it helps people, but if it harms people, I do not see a lot of point? I think we sometimes need to believe in something outside our daily life, I used to believe in Science Fiction when I was a kid. I like Fantasy as well. |
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I like CS Lewis, Benjamin Britten, a sort of kind Christianity, and a very British one.
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If real Christianity was employed in 2001. Bush would have forgiven the bombers and turned the other cheek. But the west is the remnant of the roman empire pretending to be christian.
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a real Fantasy that Americans have bought into, is that you are safer if everybody carries a gun. Violence breeds violence. The Buddhists know that. The real Christians know that. Everyone with a brain can see it.
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zorrostrikes • May 14, 2016 1:22 PM BST
If real Christianity was employed in 2001. Bush would have forgiven the bombers and turned the other cheek. But the west is the remnant of the roman empire pretending to be christian. I agree with that Zorro. It is strange that Christian societies 'never turn the other cheek', as Jesus said we should, we are extremely violent. Neither do we go much for 'It easier for a camel to go through an eye of a needle than someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of Heaven', we all grab as much as we can People say Muslims are violent because their prophet was violent, but Jesus was peaceful. So that does not really work does it? I think human nature is the same everywhere myself. |
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fake christianity. live by the sword die by the sword.
the king of this world is Satan. the ruling spirit. That corrupted creation. Bringing death into creation. But the victory has been won and his days are numbered. Jesus returns to take charge and make his fallen creation perfect. I was an atheist for twenty five years. I understand all the counter arguments because i used to make them. But once you start to read the bible there is a level of complexity that just is not in other books. (Daniel's prophecy coming true). (jesus asking peter if he loved him three times after he's risen) (a rabbi that's executed becoming so important?) even the first utterance - let there be light. mirrors the big bang? scientists believe now we are all related to two people who were alive in Africa thousands of years ago. their genetics have survived . |
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Adam and Eve?
Anything that makes life easier is ok by me. Compared to life in the past, we now live in quite a comfortable World, but are we really happier, or we more peaceful? I thought the World was just right when I was younger, but not now, we have become quite nasty. |
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To look at things from a religious viewpoint. If there is God , there must always be Satan, because it gives us balance.
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tbh i was much happier in my previous life.
You wouldn't Adam and Eve it |
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scientists believe now we are all related to two people who were alive in Africa thousands of years ago. their genetics have survived
What this means is that , if everyone could trace back their fathers' fathers' fathers father et al , they would eventually get back to 'Y Chromosomal Adam' , from whom everyone is descended in the male line. Also tracing back your mother's mother and so on through the generations , you get to 'Mitochondrial Eve' ,from whom everyone is descended in the female line. This does not mean that the biblical 'Adam & Eve' actually existed and were married to each other and there were no other people alive before them ![]() 'Y Chromosomal Adam' and 'Mitochondrial Eve' were real people who existed but 'Adam' likely lived 300,000 years ago and 'Eve'less than 100,000. There was nothing special about either of them and while everyone alive today is descended from them ,we are all also descended countless people who lived at the same times as they did , just through a different combination of ancestors through the generations , eg: father-mother-mother father , rather than directly in the male or female line . |
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The Koran was meant to have been revealed to Mohammed by an angel or whatever while he was living on the earth.
The significance of Jerusalem to muslims is that Mohammed supposedly ascended to heaven from there. Not an event he could have put in his book hen really. |
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Its interesting that science says that `Y Chromosomal Adam` lived 300,000 years ago and Mitochondrial Eve` less than 100,000 years ago.
Dosn`t the Bible describe Adam asking God for a partner because he was lonely? Perhaps Genesis got this right also and when the first man evolved to become human gradually realised he was different from other creatures and felt lonely, This evolutionary process wouldn`t have happened to everyone at the same time. Someone would have have found themselves to be human but would have been surrounded with hundreds or thousands who were not. Until one fateful day, by luck, or chance, or God a male human walking by a river bank or a field or dusty pathway came across a female human. And that was the start. |
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The time difference is interesting. The Bible may be describing what actually happened in history.
It could be describing the evolutionary process in that simple passage in Genesis when it describes the first man feeling lonely and wanting to find someone who was human also. |
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![]() Because you are descended from 'Adam' through your father's father's father etc does not mean he was the only man alive 300,000 years ago , or that you are not descended from loads of other men who were alive at the same time as him. I mean 150 years ago you had a grt grt grandfather who is your father's father's father's father. And so you've inherited your y chromosome from him. That doesn't mean he was your only ancestor at that time . You had 3 other grt grt grandfathers for a start eg you mother's father's mother's father . |
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Well the bible says EDEN was near Cush, AFRICA. The genetic adam and eve in the scientific research says first humans came from Africa.
http://www.livescience.com/38613-genetic-adam-and-eve-uncovered.html |
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Well the bible says EDEN was near Cush, AFRICA. The genetic adam and eve in the scientific research says first humans came from Africa.
jeez , i bet those scientists are sorry they chose Adam and Eve as the names for these ancestors ![]() 'EDEN was near Cush, AFRICA' Well it could hardly have been in Australia,Canada or Brazil or any other place middle eastern storytellers of the day had not heard of. |
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Not everyone could have become human at the same time, if evolution is true.
If evolution is true people today could be less human than some people who lived 1000 years ago, because every time man reproduces small faults and defects occur. Shakespeare, for example may have been more human than anyone alive today. Is it possible that there are degrees of being human? and everyone fits somewhere on that scale. If being human is simply a genetic construct this must be true. It may have been quite difficult for Adam to find another human at that time, because he was one of the first to realize that he was human and one of the first to be human. Also today look around, is it possible that everyone is human? |