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Neets to do community work for benefits
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Theres's a plan
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That's exactly why this something for nothing mentality needs to be challenged - at long last.
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The problem with introducing draconian measures re benefits is that you have to offer a credible alternative lifestyle. If whats being offered isn'rt people resit.
Push it too far and you get social disorder. I heard Duncan Smith saying something like this a while ago. So although they'd love to cut benefits to the bone, which would be very popular, they know they'd risk a repeat of the riots of 2011 on a much larger scale. |
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if they are doing community work for benefits then they are working,so should get minimum wage at least
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In a way benefits are are price worth paying to keep a passive lower class.
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I finally got round to watching a recorded programme on bbcfour...Rare footage of The Clash in 1977.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04w08p6 I was amazed to see the situation of today was no different to the 70's. Oh, except everything is pretty much privatised now. |
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Let's not forget that this is for people not in employment OR education. It may be hard to get a job but it's easy to enrol on a college course.
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They will be getting minimum wage if you calculate how much they get in benefits and LHA and divide that by the number of hours they will have to work.
They won't work a full week at a time or all the year round so they'll be well inside the minimum wage. |
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For each tax year that is.
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£70 dole plus 80 LHA = £150 a week = £7,800 a year.
Do community work for six months - 30 hours a week = 780 hours work for £7,800 a year. That's £10 an hour. |
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What a counsel of despair you advocate Thin And Crispy. Give em what they want or they'll murder us in our beds. Good job you weren't running things when The Hun came calling.
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whats LHA ?
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Local Housing Allowance = Housing benefit
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so they all get that ?
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What do they get an hour now?
Is it sign on every two weeks? That would be about 26 hours a year spent signing on, for £7,800. £300 an hour. |
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No wonder they won't get a proper job.
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so they all get that ?
Some get less some get more. Free food from the food bank as well. I haven't included that. |
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most people who go to food banks are working
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Why the need for food banks?
What happened to neighbourly love and looking out for each other in times of hardship? When's the last time anyone on this thread did a good deed?  Learn to cook the basics and money manage better. Instead of buying a sandwich for £1 buy a whole loaf for £1. Benefits are there for food, bills, and clothes for the young un's, not smoking and pissing it up the wall. |
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Be rude not to mention the former leader of the nasty party so I won't.
Maggie Thatcher Specials - YOP or YTS early 80's, paid £25 weekly for 6 months, or was it a year? At a fraction of what the work force got paid for doing the same job. It's now called "3 months probationary period" where you're again paid a lower rate than your fully employed colleague for which you're more likely not to be taken on as the conveyer belt of suckers rolls on. Workfare is 35-40 hrs per week for your benefits of £72. You do the sums? P.S. I'd have said "do the math" but it infuriates some on here.  |
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* More people were renting in the 1970s than do now.
* Public services are overburdened because they've decimated * There ARE existing street cleaners and others whose jobs would surely have to go if the unemployed did them - irrespective of supervisory needs. * JSA is £3.775 a year ("for signing on" as if that's all that's required) NOT £7,880, not everyone gets LHA, but if they did it would just cover their rent, wouldn't it? - This amount would just about cover gas electric and food. * Free food from a food bank is NOT an enjoyable experience. (just to explode some of the pieces of utter drivel which pervade this thread) When the workhouse stuff is being carried out, will it end with a job of some sort for the penalised unemployed person to rightfully do for a proper wage? I think not, because jobs tend to be filled as soon as they become available. The unemployed are not the enemy. The enemy is the people who have all of our money (Banks, corporations, people earning Millions a year, agents of all these and others). Why the constant defence for the rights of the super rich - those people who earn and have more money than they could possibly spend or need - yet seem to think of tax as an unreasonable drain on their resources? Just a few dozen of the wealthiest could easily relax this country's problems, whilst remaining fabulously wealthy, but Nah, they want to keep it and there always wamkers and grovelers around (witness this thread for example) who will aid these people by backing up the publicity about the 'work-shy' and blaming austerity and poverty on those who are suffering most from it. Shame about this forum, it used to be brilliant. Now its just the same old twunts (some of whom escaped from the politics forum) spouting the same old crap. btw, dartsnbooze, I frequently do what you would definitely consider "good deeds" and am proud to mention it, just this once. |
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* JSA is £3.775 a year ("for signing on" as if that's all that's required) NOT £7,880, not everyone gets LHA, but if they did it would just cover their rent, wouldn't it? -
The same applies to people who work. Or don't you include any rent they have to pay in their wages? |
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Claimers receive their money in the same way that workers do, and pay the rent in the same way that workers do.
The cheques they get now includes the rent. |
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LHA £80 a week, eh? How much is rent in most places?
£72 a week JSA - for food, bills, clothes. Let alone any luxuries - (eg why should the scroungers have a TV, smoke, have a phone, etc etc blah blah?) Why not make the feckers get out and suffer more indignity, eh? Serve their betters and shine the shoes of their masters (the employed? the wealthy), after all they have the temerity to not be working (whatever the reason). Giving them non-existent jobs won't solve anything. It'll just make the plebs club together for certain politicians' sake, against other plebs. |
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How does somebody leave school and be able to rent a house, so that he can claim benefit for it?
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^Get a partner and make her pregnant.
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Oh of course...
him : I left school last week, I'm skint, with no prospects, fancy going half each on a baby? her: Sounds like a good idea. |
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It's quite common.
They can get the single room allowance if they are single. |
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Would you have one as a lodger?
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Absolutely not.
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Why not?
Your rent is guaranteed. |
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No it's not.
The rent comes via the claimant. If they don't cough up you have to chase them for it. Anyway if they've spent it you'll never get it. |
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I'm not sure how the lodger system works regarding LHA.
I know a lodger has got few legal rights. |
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What would you do if you took one in who was initially working, but he lost his job?
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Lodging is different to the single room allowance where they share the bathroom and kitchen, but have their own room in a multi occupied purpose built building
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I wouldn't take a lodger in at all.
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... for the rich not to get richer you would have to completely re -programme the human race which isn't possible - the human race go back a long way .
You would have to get rid of colleges ,schools,in fact reward failure. Men are highly competitive by nature - to pathetic levels imo ,but that's how it is - it's each man for himself. He can't help how he is . Dog eat dog and all that ,very few folk out there will have any sympathy for the poorest members of society - who will be likely be looked on as losers or runts of the litter . No one celebrates a loser - folk support winning rich teams . Pretty girls also go for fat wallets . |
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long term folk on benefits have conditioned themselves to there lifestyles -or made a way of feathering their nest (whichever applies) and have opted out of this evolutionary process (if you like )
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The only thing exploding is your trousers when you screech about the rich studyform and your comment about "workhouse" can be filed amongst the drivel you accuse others of. Public services haven't been decimated. They have been lavished with money and continue to be so with us still overspending to the tune of a hundred billion a year. You need to take a remedial maths course. It is also not the case that you are for on and against rich or poor. It is quite a legitimate position to expect politicians who we elect to make the rich pay the tax which is due and also make people who are workshy do something for the money they get off taxpayers.
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