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Wesdag
08 Dec 14 16:29
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According to Tory peer Baroness Jenkin.

At last we are getting to the heart of the matter but alas, she is forced to apologise because someone may choose to take offence.

Cry

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30379431

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By:
wit-ham
When: 08 Dec 14 16:38
"Let them use food banks"
By:
Facts
When: 08 Dec 14 16:41
Another privileged Tory bastard who proves once again the arrogance of life on a different planet.
By:
Dotchinite
When: 08 Dec 14 16:44
Well poor people of every other generation could manage it well enough. What is wrong with what she says. The amount most people spend on food is ridiculous and its easy to prove how cheap it is possible to eat well for yet no politician ever gets involved in the discussion. You see why now.
By:
naydam
When: 08 Dec 14 16:47
There is a great deal of truth in her statement. It is not strictly the regime of the poor. Probably more accurate to use the 'feckless'.
By:
guinness2dear
When: 08 Dec 14 16:48
Or lazy..
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 08 Dec 14 16:49
there are far too many people in this country who cannot, or who are too lazy to cook, but this is not exclusive to the poor.
By:
Navel-Gazer
When: 08 Dec 14 16:51
Facts - agreed squire...these turds have a tribe of servants waiting on them Angry

FWIW...the bítch is right because I'm a culinary cnút (and I've only got a three figure bank account) but I can rattle up a mean beans on toast Crazy
By:
naydam
When: 08 Dec 14 16:54
It may NOT be exclusive to the 'poor'. But the more well-off can eat in higher quality eateries whereas your 'poor' just seem to eat absolute crap!
By:
1st time poster
When: 08 Dec 14 16:55
the reason home cooking is on the decline is because people are trying to juggle 2,3,4 jobs ,look after kids school run etc,the baroness,s au pair does a fair spag bog ive heard, Wink
By:
Dotchinite
When: 08 Dec 14 17:00
Whats the excuse for those on benefits 1st time?
By:
Clungehungry
When: 08 Dec 14 17:02
Couple of things.

I had a girl lodging with me a few years back, clearly from a not terribly well off background. I bought an electric steamer (that sounds rude somehow) and suggested she used it, as she essentially lived off chips, and was clearly not very healthy. I didn't put it like that obviously. Her reply was "I don't believe in steaming food, it takes all the goodness out of them." I tried to point out to her that this was nonsense but she wasn't having any of it, it was her right to have an opinion, she said. I had to kick her out in the end because she 'couldn't' pay her rent. My point is that she was betrayed by teachers and who knows who else who told her that her views were just as valid as anyone else's, even if they were doctors and scientists.

I have a couple of lodgers who eat two pizzas a day, every day. They grimace when I make a casserole. It costs them only 2.50 a day each, but they could eat so much better for less.

My mate...ok this is three things now...was dating a girl who wouldn't eat the yolk from fried eggs. Or well...anything else other than Domino's...which is bloody expensive.

Give the relatively poor vouchers for healthy food. The poor in the UK are not poor in any meaningful sense. They don't have to get up at 5am, go **** in a field, and then walk five miles to get some water.
By:
STUDYFORM
When: 08 Dec 14 17:09
I know some wealthy people who have no idea how to cook and live off awful sauce covered M&S ready meals.
Conversely there are plenty of poor people who cook very well. Some of them even work as chefs.
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 08 Dec 14 17:11
Gordon wouldn't be poor if he didn't have to keep buying his brothers drugs
By:
bix
When: 08 Dec 14 17:11
How can anyone not know how to cook?
It's all on youtube.
Of course if you can't be bothered...............
By:
Facts
When: 08 Dec 14 17:14
The UK is a western  civilised rich  society. Not the drought regions  of Africa .
Pointless comparison.

Read the definition of living in poverty in  the UK in 2014 . There's plenty of websites to educate you.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 08 Dec 14 17:15
perhaps the definition is on its @rse.
By:
Facts
When: 08 Dec 14 17:16
Bix

Maybe they can't afford to switch on the cooker. Or if they do, they go cold because they can't afford to heat the house. It's one or the other. Imagine living like that, and having to make those choices.
By:
rob_dylan
When: 08 Dec 14 17:18
Facts is a stooge.
By:
Facts
When: 08 Dec 14 17:19
Rob

Do you doubt the data ?
By:
Wesdag
When: 08 Dec 14 17:19
Another case of shooting the messenger and ignoring the message.
By:
Clungehungry
When: 08 Dec 14 17:19
It's only pointless if you don't care about other people. If you are wanting money to go to help the needy, you would recognise that taxes spent on saving people's lives, here or abroad, is better than keeping the unemployed in ****.
By:
Clungehungry
When: 08 Dec 14 17:19
*cigarettes!
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 08 Dec 14 17:23
Maybe they can't afford to switch on the cooker. Or if they do, they go cold because they can't afford to heat the house.

now what I would do is cook outside on a nice open fire, 2 birds and all that........
By:
Wesdag
When: 08 Dec 14 17:26
Always makes me laugh when the "poor" complain that they'd love to eat healthily but are instead condemned to a diet of junk due to lack of money.

For the price of a large pizza, you could get a couple of chickens, a kilo of spuds, and some veg & still have some change left.
By:
Facts
When: 08 Dec 14 17:31
Glad it amuses you. Aren't you the ' clever ' one.

Maybe they didn't receive the education you did. Maybe they didn't grow up in family environment that taught domesticity
Maybe they are dysfunctional through living a life of total hell.

Aren't you glad you don't have their  issues
By:
Clungehungry
When: 08 Dec 14 17:36
Total Hell 4: I Can't Afford A Takeaway.
By:
Dotchinite
When: 08 Dec 14 17:37
Facts believes all the poor are so thick they cant compare prices of different food items. In all he posts it shines through that he thinks they are totally useless and need help with every simple task, no doubt by Govt paid workers.

If only he had faith in them as human beings and encourage them to take some responsibility for managing their lives.
By:
Wesdag
When: 08 Dec 14 17:37
Excuses, excuses.
By:
naydam
When: 08 Dec 14 17:38
Maybe they want a kick.
By:
bix
When: 08 Dec 14 17:46
It's always someone elses' fault.
By:
dustybin
When: 08 Dec 14 17:50
What a shame that the only time the Tories speak of the dangers created by their ideology they go and s hit all over it by reverting to type on an agenda against the poor.
Had she not generalised the ppl whom need the educating to have been 'the poor' she may well have had a point.

If you allow enterprise to invest large sums of capital in the manufacture of fake food that's purposely full of fat and sugar and blanket advertised on slots where the daft are most likely to be exposed to it, under the pretence that all business is good business and should be allowed to operate under the banner of being part of an open freely operating market economy then you will always have the problem we have.

'Can be part of a balanced diet'
Pmsl.
By:
Dotchinite
When: 08 Dec 14 17:51
Good post.
By:
Clungehungry
When: 08 Dec 14 17:52
Fair point.
By:
Injera
When: 08 Dec 14 18:08
The fact she's had to apologise 'for causing offence' goes to the heart of the issue.

She was spot on. The 'poor' are 'poor' because they are classified as such and so I see no problem there.

She also explains the cost of food if bought and cooked correctly.

We seem not to be allowed to point out peoples' failings and responsibilities and so it's difficult to make any progress.

Let's just blame Westminster shall we...
By:
pawras
When: 08 Dec 14 18:19
From my experience the whole not knowing how to cook and generally being a useless fck eating **** is spread across the whole social spectrum.
When I was single I certainly had my very evil way with a few young ladies because I could cook way way better than them and I’d invite them around for dinner, after that they weren’t going anywhere......Devil



Oh yeah facts you tard , real poverty is real poverty regardless geographic location. Redefining it based on location is just relative poverty which ain't REAL poverty.
By:
dustybin
When: 08 Dec 14 18:20
..because the bumbling use of rhetoric suggests it's all poor ('the poor')
Exclusive to that sub category.
By:
Clouseau
When: 08 Dec 14 18:27
Baroness Jenkin later clarified her remarks on BBC Radio 4's World at One programme, and apologised if she caused offence.

She said: "I made a mistake. Obviously I was stupidly speaking unscripted.

"What I meant was as a society we have lost our ability to cook, or that no longer seems to be handed down in the way that it was in previously in previous generations.

"Life is considerably cheaper if you are able to cook."


She can apologise and clarify as much as she likes but it won't change the fact what she said was, in fact, true and needs to be addressed in an open manner.

Many people from all social strata think cooking (to use a Frank Skinner quip) consists of just making food hotter. Cookery programmes are all over the TV schedules and they range from Blumenthal digging a 6 foot hole in his back garden with a JCB to emulate a traditional tandoori oven to Ready, Steady, Cook. People watch them and then go and stick a pizza in the microwave, seemingly incapable of reconciling the food they have just seen cooked on the telly to their own.
By:
1st time poster
When: 08 Dec 14 18:29
most of those using foodbanks have to cook what they get,they arnt getting takeaways,chips,frozen stuff from foodbanks,they,ve got no money to buy food whether that be unhealthy food or wholesome homecooked food
as stated above we dont have camera,s in m and s everyday lambasting the well off for buying absolute shoite covered in salt sugar ridden sauces, also by 2 meals for a tenner including sugary sweet and bottles of wine for 2
imagine some poor person eating 7 mains with veg done in butter, chips ,mash,etc, 7 choco creamy sweets, and 7 bottles of wine
By:
Burton-Brewers
When: 08 Dec 14 18:35
is home economics no longer part of the school curriculum?
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