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According to Tory peer Baroness Jenkin.
At last we are getting to the heart of the matter but alas, she is forced to apologise because someone may choose to take offence.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30379431
At last we are getting to the heart of the matter but alas, she is forced to apologise because someone may choose to take offence.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30379431
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"Yeh, because everyone has a freezer don't they ? "
What the hell is your point caller? I've countless times bought frozen food and put it in the fridge and eaten it over the next 2 or 3 days, have you never thought of that? I lived for years without a freezer, doing just that.
This thread is bizarre as there are people on it spouting their theories as if this is some hypothetical situation. It's the complete opposite. We ALL cook, have cooked or have the capacity to cook and we are talking from real experience, so if you're going to shoot down the common sense postings here out of some childish inability to say anything that might agree with a bad Tory lady, then that's your silly problem. I'm guessing you're one of the people that can't cook...
What the hell is your point caller? I've countless times bought frozen food and put it in the fridge and eaten it over the next 2 or 3 days, have you never thought of that? I lived for years without a freezer, doing just that.
This thread is bizarre as there are people on it spouting their theories as if this is some hypothetical situation. It's the complete opposite. We ALL cook, have cooked or have the capacity to cook and we are talking from real experience, so if you're going to shoot down the common sense postings here out of some childish inability to say anything that might agree with a bad Tory lady, then that's your silly problem. I'm guessing you're one of the people that can't cook...
And......
A senior York politician has sparked a furious row by saying there is no real poverty in Britain and people should not donate to food banks.
Chris Steward, a Conservative councillor, said living standards had surged, that there was no need for food banks, that they were an insult to starving people around the world, and that donating to them allowed recipients to spend more money on alcohol and cigarettes.
"The fact some give food to food banks, merely enables people who can’t budget (an issue where schools should do much more and I have said the council should) or don’t want to, to have more money to spend on alcohol, cigarettes etc.”
A senior York politician has sparked a furious row by saying there is no real poverty in Britain and people should not donate to food banks.
Chris Steward, a Conservative councillor, said living standards had surged, that there was no need for food banks, that they were an insult to starving people around the world, and that donating to them allowed recipients to spend more money on alcohol and cigarettes.
"The fact some give food to food banks, merely enables people who can’t budget (an issue where schools should do much more and I have said the council should) or don’t want to, to have more money to spend on alcohol, cigarettes etc.”
Just Checking - Perhaps you could define 'cook'. As we know it.....................
ingredients required for home cooking for average poor family ,UK
For northern households simply double the quantity .
20lb of sugar
40lbs of white flour
10 chickens
10lb of vegetable fat (for the pastry)
1 large packet of salt
BBQ seasoning
2 bottles of vegatable oil
20 lbs of potatoes
a few beans.
a few vegetables *
make sure the vegetables are cooked for atleast 30 minutes on a boiling heat
more sugar
and finally a tablespoon of cocoa powder to colour the chocolate cake .
For northern households simply double the quantity .
20lb of sugar
40lbs of white flour
10 chickens
10lb of vegetable fat (for the pastry)
1 large packet of salt
BBQ seasoning
2 bottles of vegatable oil
20 lbs of potatoes
a few beans.
a few vegetables *
make sure the vegetables are cooked for atleast 30 minutes on a boiling heat
more sugar
and finally a tablespoon of cocoa powder to colour the chocolate cake .
What are you driving at dewey, are you saying that if you use frozen ingredients it's not real cooking? If not where are you going?
Coachbuster : 30 minutes at least! I'd never cook vegetables that long unless it was swede or something, just do the bare minimum to keep the vitamins in.
the archbishop and his merrymen have studied this for over a year and the best the torys can come up with is the usual cigs and boooze and insulting the cooking skills of the poor,and by the way check we,re not discussing anybody who can cook but the poorest in society,wiv all the help on here how you have all coped not much mention of cooking for familys of 4,5,6 etc,
if the torys think they are right debate it with the bishop and the rest of the people who,ve studied foodbanks closely,currie didnt even speak to the people using them but hid in the car park and watched what cars they drove up in and drew her conclusions from that
if the torys think they are right debate it with the bishop and the rest of the people who,ve studied foodbanks closely,currie didnt even speak to the people using them but hid in the car park and watched what cars they drove up in and drew her conclusions from that
i was thinking of cooking shepards pie, what could i cook with it tho, surly on its own isnt filling enough?
Coachbuster 08 Dec 14 20:52
JC - folk won't like that mate
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Won't like what?
Ok let's make this clear, when I said "I'd never cook vegetables that long unless it was swede or something" this was NOT a slur on the intellectual capacity of people from the home of ABBA, or a request that we boil them alive.
JC - folk won't like that mate
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Won't like what?
Ok let's make this clear, when I said "I'd never cook vegetables that long unless it was swede or something" this was NOT a slur on the intellectual capacity of people from the home of ABBA, or a request that we boil them alive.
perhaps the Archbishop could try and persuade the church to part with a bit of the £5 billion they are sitting on.
I've been asking the Pope for a loan for years..
Shepherds pie can be filling? If you want it cheap and more filling I'd maybe just make the spuds layer a bit thicker?
Let's make this clear: I'm not requesting that the Bhoys eats Shepherds, or anyone involved in the herding professions.
Let's make this clear: I'm not requesting that the Bhoys eats Shepherds, or anyone involved in the herding professions.
who,ll be the 1st tory to say if your struggling now wait till we lob another 23 million of the benefits bill,
1,01 mathew hancock all in
wouldnt you like to kick this arrogant little runt in the rollocks
1,01 mathew hancock all in
wouldnt you like to kick this arrogant little runt in the rollocks
Just Checking - NO! on the contrary - I am disputing the freshness of 'fresh' vegetables, frozen vegetables can be equally, if not better for you - who knows? Once they have been picked, the vitamin content begins to diminish. Unless you are a 'vege' though - I prefer something to go with them.................preferably home cooked.
Well dewey I think we're agreeing then
I'm official Betfair Frozen Veg Champion. Captain Birdseye has nothing on me :)
The Green Giant can eat my warm second hand sweetcorn.
I'm official Betfair Frozen Veg Champion. Captain Birdseye has nothing on me :)
The Green Giant can eat my warm second hand sweetcorn.
Shepherds are among the poorer people in society. As they are all out tending their flocks they have asked me to ask if they could have their pies back, please.
In the 'real word' people have been finding time to cook food for thousands of years. If you're that stupid and selfish to think your kids should get to choose each meal individually then you are too stupid and selfish to have kids. Bowl of cornflakes, milk, maybe a few raisins, banana, slice or two of toast with jam and spread. 50p a head tops. Porridge even less. Couple of minutes prep time each. By all means indulge yourself or your children if you have the money, but you you can't say you can't afford to feed people if you don't.
I must be poor then - I cook Shepherds Pie or it cold be Cottage pie even - whatever - they love it. (with at least three fresh or frozen veg.) and always home made gravy - as opposed to granule c*a*.
When I went to live and work in Scotland years ago I had Crofters Pie thinking it was just shepherds pie renamed until I ate a big mouthful. Haggis instead of mince !
Missing the point ..................'Poor people don't know how to cook' - 'Cook' being contributary factor towards the 'poor' bit of this statement......................surely.
Domestic Science/Cookery classes should take preference over subjects like Drama and 'Humanities' (what's that all about these days) and even sport (unfortunately).......for male and femail pupils alike imo.
They don't have to get up at 5am, go **** in a field, and then walk five miles to get some water.
Move closer to the water and have another hour in bed would be the intelligent move, shirley.
Move closer to the water and have another hour in bed would be the intelligent move, shirley.
Never cooked a meal in my life and wouldn't have a clue how, and not bothered in the least.
Dec 8, 2014 -- 11:24PM, call me a taxi wrote:
Never cooked a meal in my life and wouldn't have a clue how, and not bothered in the least.
It's true.
Almost always had a wife or a girlfriend, in the rare case of absence of either, I'd go to my sisters and get fed. If she was on her holidays or on a day out, I'd go to a mates and get fed. I'm well known in my circles as a non-cook.
Almost always had a wife or a girlfriend, in the rare case of absence of either, I'd go to my sisters and get fed. If she was on her holidays or on a day out, I'd go to a mates and get fed. I'm well known in my circles as a non-cook.
They are better off using their money for a 64 inch widescreen imo
I used to do voluntary work with an organisation that offered financial management advice and debt counselling and a feature of almost every house you went in was the enormous tv and the SKY dish outside.
I used to do voluntary work with an organisation that offered financial management advice and debt counselling and a feature of almost every house you went in was the enormous tv and the SKY dish outside.
You do strike me as a microwave meal man cmat
no doubt bought on stupid interest rates and then pleading 'poverty' when they can't buy the food they want.
A good % need socialism because they’re fkn useless and can’t manage their own lives. Where as another good % don’t need it and it’s nothing but lead weights to them. Then there’s those who maybe don’t need it but suffer from some form of middleclass guilt and want to impose it on everyone.
A good % need socialism because they’re fkn useless and can’t manage their own lives. Where as another good % don’t need it and it’s nothing but lead weights to them. Then there’s those who maybe don’t need it but suffer from some form of middleclass guilt and want to impose it on everyone.
Just a thought on the poor and those using food banks.I would be interested to know how many have Sky,mobile phone contracts and the amount they spend on alcohol/cigarettes etc each week.Not making judgements but it would be useful to have facts on outgoings/income to go on.Too many people defend/attack the so called 'poor' without really having full details of their circumstances.Personally,I have no idea of the overall problem within the country and doubt if decision makers(politicians etc) do either.
As a genuine suggestion, might it be a good idea to photocopy some very, very, very basic recipes and ideas on how to prepare simple, filling meals on a very limited budget. These should take into account that the possibility of limited kitchen equipment available to the food bank claimant.
I will start.
Porridge
Spoon 6 desert spoons of oats (as provided) into a bowl. Add water till oats are covered. Stir. Put in microwave for 2 minutes. Add as little sugar. Add a splash of milk. Eat.
Baked Potato
Get a potato. Prick it with a fork. Cook it in the microwave till nearly soft. Cut top open and add butter, cheese, beans or anything else you have to hand. Return to microwave for one minute. Eat.
Soup
Empty bag of pre-cut veg into pan. Add water and boil for 15 minutes. Eat.
Every food parcel from the food bank should include the basic ingredients with the information enclosed. So you will get a box of porridge, a bag of potatoes, a pack of pre-cut vegetables for soup/stew etc.
The poor and hungry beneficiaries should be absolutely delighted with what is supplied. It will also have health and educational benefits.
I will start.
Porridge
Spoon 6 desert spoons of oats (as provided) into a bowl. Add water till oats are covered. Stir. Put in microwave for 2 minutes. Add as little sugar. Add a splash of milk. Eat.
Baked Potato
Get a potato. Prick it with a fork. Cook it in the microwave till nearly soft. Cut top open and add butter, cheese, beans or anything else you have to hand. Return to microwave for one minute. Eat.
Soup
Empty bag of pre-cut veg into pan. Add water and boil for 15 minutes. Eat.
Every food parcel from the food bank should include the basic ingredients with the information enclosed. So you will get a box of porridge, a bag of potatoes, a pack of pre-cut vegetables for soup/stew etc.
The poor and hungry beneficiaries should be absolutely delighted with what is supplied. It will also have health and educational benefits.
no doubt bought on stupid interest rates and then pleading 'poverty' when they can't buy the food they want.
doesnt make sense.
so your saying a bank would have delved into a couple finances and lent them money knowing a hike in rates would send them on the breadline?
your on another planet sunshine.
gve it 10 years and the subrpime cycle will start again as the heat is taken off bankers and they start risky practises again like after thatchers era.
doesnt make sense.
so your saying a bank would have delved into a couple finances and lent them money knowing a hike in rates would send them on the breadline?
your on another planet sunshine.
gve it 10 years and the subrpime cycle will start again as the heat is taken off bankers and they start risky practises again like after thatchers era.
CMATs recipe sheet for easy meals
1) Get a wife who can cook.
2) Get a house with a kitchen.
3) Get a separate dining room.
4) Declare 2) as out of bounds to men.
5) Insert 1) into 2) and retire to 3)
6) Give the pet dog a first taste (just in case)
Sorted
1) Get a wife who can cook.
2) Get a house with a kitchen.
3) Get a separate dining room.
4) Declare 2) as out of bounds to men.
5) Insert 1) into 2) and retire to 3)
6) Give the pet dog a first taste (just in case)
Sorted
In relation to what the poor spend their income on specifically in the issue just of cigarettes the WHO cite has this:
A study in the United Kingdom shows that only 10% of women and 12% of men in the highest socioeconomic group are smokers while 35% of women and 40% of men in the lowest socioeconomic group smoke.3
Of those, studies in America show that from that group those who do smoke use up about 25% on the habit. I've read articles in this country citing similar amounts. I'm not sure what can be done to address such things but until they are addressed there are going to be an awful lot of people living miserable lives. That's before we get to the evil of this because of the tax take being raked off these poor unfortunate people's addiction.
A study in the United Kingdom shows that only 10% of women and 12% of men in the highest socioeconomic group are smokers while 35% of women and 40% of men in the lowest socioeconomic group smoke.3
Of those, studies in America show that from that group those who do smoke use up about 25% on the habit. I've read articles in this country citing similar amounts. I'm not sure what can be done to address such things but until they are addressed there are going to be an awful lot of people living miserable lives. That's before we get to the evil of this because of the tax take being raked off these poor unfortunate people's addiction.
GI Jockey
With the greatest respect you are amazingly green and naive.
doesnt make sense.
so your saying a bank would have delved into a couple finances and lent them money knowing a hike in rates would send them on the breadline?
In the late 80's that's exactly what happened. I was a mortgage broker in those days and there were many lenders whose schemes we wouldn't use because we felt it was unfair to our clients to put them in such a vulnerable position.
One lender had a scheme only to be used to applicants with a lot of equity in the property. In the terms of the agreement it said that the lender would foreclose on the mortgage if the borrower missed one payment. It also said that on missing a payment all the interest due over the whole term would become due. So in other words the borrower then owed the original sum borrowed plus, in many cases, 25 years interest on the loan. The lender actually was actually better off from the borrower not paying the mortgage. Borrowers were being repossesed and made homeless and the judge admitted there was nothing he could as it was all down in the morgage terms. Sad but true I'm afraid.
With the greatest respect you are amazingly green and naive.
doesnt make sense.
so your saying a bank would have delved into a couple finances and lent them money knowing a hike in rates would send them on the breadline?
In the late 80's that's exactly what happened. I was a mortgage broker in those days and there were many lenders whose schemes we wouldn't use because we felt it was unfair to our clients to put them in such a vulnerable position.
One lender had a scheme only to be used to applicants with a lot of equity in the property. In the terms of the agreement it said that the lender would foreclose on the mortgage if the borrower missed one payment. It also said that on missing a payment all the interest due over the whole term would become due. So in other words the borrower then owed the original sum borrowed plus, in many cases, 25 years interest on the loan. The lender actually was actually better off from the borrower not paying the mortgage. Borrowers were being repossesed and made homeless and the judge admitted there was nothing he could as it was all down in the morgage terms. Sad but true I'm afraid.
Declare the house out of bounds to men? I'm sure she'd agree.
Anecdotally, it never failed to amaze me the number of people waiting at bus stops, smoking ..while non-smokers were driving past in cars.
scandanavian_haven 09 Dec 14 09:26
You do strike me as a microwave meal man cmat
No surprises there.
You do strike me as a microwave meal man cmat
No surprises there.
G1 Jockey – you’re not with it.
Plenty lenders with good rates won’t loan to the bottom end because of the higher probability of default, if they were willing to take on all comers then interest rates would be much higher for all and there’d always be someone else offering low rates because they pick and choose their customers.
So they borrow money at stupid high interest rates either directly or via some hp agreement with likes of Brighthouse, the company estimates the number of likely defaulters and factors that and big profit into the interest rate i.e. that’s what the likes of Wonga do.
Ultimately lenders don’t give a crap about you , they’re in business to make money, so if you’re stupid enough to sign up to mad interest rates or dodgy t&cs’s then it’s on your own head be it as far as they’re concerned.
Plenty lenders with good rates won’t loan to the bottom end because of the higher probability of default, if they were willing to take on all comers then interest rates would be much higher for all and there’d always be someone else offering low rates because they pick and choose their customers.
So they borrow money at stupid high interest rates either directly or via some hp agreement with likes of Brighthouse, the company estimates the number of likely defaulters and factors that and big profit into the interest rate i.e. that’s what the likes of Wonga do.
Ultimately lenders don’t give a crap about you , they’re in business to make money, so if you’re stupid enough to sign up to mad interest rates or dodgy t&cs’s then it’s on your own head be it as far as they’re concerned.
With the greatest respect you are amazingly green and naive.
so what you are saying is what happened back in the 80s is exactly happening now where financial institutions are selling risky mortgages to people knowing they stand a chance of losing their house when rates go up?
with the greatest respect you just helped my argument which you didnt realise is what i was trying to do with pawras ...thanks.
with the greatest respect of course....note i dont need to add any put downs to try "bolster" my point
so what you are saying is what happened back in the 80s is exactly happening now where financial institutions are selling risky mortgages to people knowing they stand a chance of losing their house when rates go up?
with the greatest respect you just helped my argument which you didnt realise is what i was trying to do with pawras ...thanks.
with the greatest respect of course....note i dont need to add any put downs to try "bolster" my point
pawras
"firms" like wonga are for people who have no where else to turn...."stupid enough to sign upto" may be the case for some but for others its either that or mug some rich c*** to make ends meet.
you seem to be generalising on the poor.....basically looking down at people.
way i see it your still a human being like them.
your as equal as the poor person like it or not.
"firms" like wonga are for people who have no where else to turn...."stupid enough to sign upto" may be the case for some but for others its either that or mug some rich c*** to make ends meet.
you seem to be generalising on the poor.....basically looking down at people.
way i see it your still a human being like them.
your as equal as the poor person like it or not.
The point I was originally making was don’t go borrowing money for Tv’s and other material stuff and then complain you can’t buy your groceries.
Yes we’re all human beings and I don’t look down on those who work , however menial , to make their own way in the world.
However I freely admit I more than look down on those who :-
choose not to take a menial job because they say it’s “not worth it” because of the handouts generated by those who do work.
had the same chances as me to get ahead in life but made f all effort from the moment they hit secondary school and seemed to think they’re were going to get a job that paid any meaningful without education/training, like I said prev if you’re 35+ it was all there available to you free you just had to actually take responsibility for yourself and make the effort.
Yes we’re all human beings and I don’t look down on those who work , however menial , to make their own way in the world.
However I freely admit I more than look down on those who :-
choose not to take a menial job because they say it’s “not worth it” because of the handouts generated by those who do work.
had the same chances as me to get ahead in life but made f all effort from the moment they hit secondary school and seemed to think they’re were going to get a job that paid any meaningful without education/training, like I said prev if you’re 35+ it was all there available to you free you just had to actually take responsibility for yourself and make the effort.
Those who really have fallen through all the cracks and life has basically crapped on from a great height I genuinely feel for and believe they what the welfare state is for. Plus I hate vampires like Wonga etal.
Plenty others it’s good part their own useless fault, I know I grew with plenty of them.
Plenty others it’s good part their own useless fault, I know I grew with plenty of them.
scandanavian_haven
09 Dec 14 09:26
You do strike me as a microwave meal man cmat
Wesdag
09 Dec 14 11:52
No surprises there.
I'm about to get busy, don't sit there too long waiting for your predicted 'meltdown'.
Btw, enjoy your lentils tonight.
09 Dec 14 09:26
You do strike me as a microwave meal man cmat
Wesdag
09 Dec 14 11:52
No surprises there.
I'm about to get busy, don't sit there too long waiting for your predicted 'meltdown'.
Btw, enjoy your lentils tonight.
This poverty and hunger denialism from this Government is really quite revolting In fact it is positively Orwellian. .
Until recently their excuse was that foodbank use was rising because people are lazy and greedy and like something for nothing.
Now its because people can't cook.
All a transparent attempt to obfuscate the issue and avoid the bloody obvious which is that people with NO MONEY CAN'T BUY FOOD and that sanctions mean they have no money. That';s what sanctions means. It means penury and hunger
When you sanction people on any excuse and leave them penniless, of course they will go hungry. What did they expect?
Its so bloody obvious, it barely needs stating.
Until recently their excuse was that foodbank use was rising because people are lazy and greedy and like something for nothing.
Now its because people can't cook.
All a transparent attempt to obfuscate the issue and avoid the bloody obvious which is that people with NO MONEY CAN'T BUY FOOD and that sanctions mean they have no money. That';s what sanctions means. It means penury and hunger
When you sanction people on any excuse and leave them penniless, of course they will go hungry. What did they expect?
Its so bloody obvious, it barely needs stating.
Come off it Tony, the poor have never been so well off.
Sanctions don't mean they have no money Tony. Hope this helps.
The problem is quite simply people have given up or lost the habit of cooking in favour of ready meals and take aways.
Take Spain for example. I'm sure they can't be considered affluent at the moment with unemployment at around 25%. However, the UK consumes SIX TIMES more ready meals than Spain.
Go figure.
Take Spain for example. I'm sure they can't be considered affluent at the moment with unemployment at around 25%. However, the UK consumes SIX TIMES more ready meals than Spain.
Go figure.
I'll say it again. People do not have money to buy even the basics, because wages are falling, benefits are being sanctioned, and bills - ie. from the utility companies, are escalating. But these bills have to be paid, hence the need for wonga and its ilk.You cannot tell me that the people who have actually been found suffering genuine malnutrition are all chain-smoking, sky customer, deviants.It quite simply doesnt wash and you know this very well.
If you have benefits sanctioned, you can run out of money by the time the sanctions are lifted, the time-scale would vary depending on why you're being sanctioned. Just checked and the first sanction is a 13 week stop to your benefit, then 26 weeks, if you think people on the dole have savings lasting up to 13 weeks then you should probably watch too many cherry picked dolehead characters on the benefit programmes TV companies are obsessed with, checked the jsa rate and it's over 70 quid a week, again if you think jas claimants are living the life of riley on 10 quid a day then again you are deluded.
You can't reason with the Thatcherites on here and there "there's no such thing as society mentalities"
You can't reason with the Thatcherites on here and there "there's no such thing as society mentalities"
talking of spain much lower crime rate and generally much less sc ummy people compared to the uk.
dont think they have the same attitude towards the poor.
im am over there frequently....looking to buy and start a business (yeah i know lol).
in the supermarkets they regularly have charity collections of food for the poor.
they ask for stuff like rice , cooking oil flour etc.
what a great country imo
great people.
dont think they have the same attitude towards the poor.
im am over there frequently....looking to buy and start a business (yeah i know lol).
in the supermarkets they regularly have charity collections of food for the poor.
they ask for stuff like rice , cooking oil flour etc.
what a great country imo
great people.
people think they pay tax and it all goes to jsa people , deluded mugs
jsa is a drop in the benefits ocean, a nice distraction from the real problems with the whole rotten system.
I did enjoy Jack's menu earlier. And his idea of handing out simple recipes is a good one but shouldn't be needed.
I think I'm right in saying foodbanks are for emergency help to cover 3 days' food.
It's straightforward to store 'emergency food' such as tins and dried food. Obviously people are not doing this. Isn't it time the truth came out that basic housekeeping is lacking??
I think I'm right in saying foodbanks are for emergency help to cover 3 days' food.
It's straightforward to store 'emergency food' such as tins and dried food. Obviously people are not doing this. Isn't it time the truth came out that basic housekeeping is lacking??
you mean like the truth that the gap between rich and poor also doesnt help economies?
think a problem is that people nowadays dont have enough time to prepare food and opt for ready made meals because of the demands on them made by having to work longer
think a problem is that people nowadays dont have enough time to prepare food and opt for ready made meals because of the demands on them made by having to work longer
when i was working i had ready meals every day
was too tired after work and the misses works different hours.
now i have plenty of time so do cook
was too tired after work and the misses works different hours.
now i have plenty of time so do cook
doesnt take long to boil some past and some sauce for a family
instead owen and anna on corrie share fish suppers to keep cost down
instead owen and anna on corrie share fish suppers to keep cost down
The 'poor' won't get richer by giving them handouts. It surpresses them.
The rich will get richer because once you've made money it gets easier not harder.
The rich will get richer because once you've made money it gets easier not harder.
Tony/Scandinavian
You can jump up and down all you like but Tony alleged that sanctions means people have no money and that isn't true. They have reduced money and I don't for one minute seek to underplay the significance of that but hyperbolic claims have to be exposed for any meaningful discussion to take place.
You can jump up and down all you like but Tony alleged that sanctions means people have no money and that isn't true. They have reduced money and I don't for one minute seek to underplay the significance of that but hyperbolic claims have to be exposed for any meaningful discussion to take place.
another load of shoite next time your in spain or teneriffe spend some time looking around the hotel bins you,ll see well dressed middle class people getting what they can out of them,plenty of brits seen it with their own eyes the last few years,
if the torys want to console themselves over foodbanks with the thought some people will abuse them,fair enough cause they will but you can times that a 100 fold by people who are desperate but have to much pride to use them especialy amonst the old
if the torys want to console themselves over foodbanks with the thought some people will abuse them,fair enough cause they will but you can times that a 100 fold by people who are desperate but have to much pride to use them especialy amonst the old
There are billions of pounds sitting in govt coffers in the form of unclaimed benefits.
I've seen single blokes on here say 'I can't be bothered filling out all those forms for £60 a week.'
Anybody that says he can turn down £3k a year when he's unemployed is a liar, or stupid, or his savings exceed the limit for collecting JSA.
The you have those that don't claim what they're fully entitled to as they don't know they're entitled to it.
And the odd few that won't claim as it makes them 'scroungers'. The answer to that is simple, don't tell anybody you're claiming. The only people you see in Jobcentres are other claimants, not your next door neighbours passing the time of day, apart from which, why worry about what your neighbours think? You're not a rapist or a paedophile, you're just out of work.
I've seen single blokes on here say 'I can't be bothered filling out all those forms for £60 a week.'
Anybody that says he can turn down £3k a year when he's unemployed is a liar, or stupid, or his savings exceed the limit for collecting JSA.
The you have those that don't claim what they're fully entitled to as they don't know they're entitled to it.
And the odd few that won't claim as it makes them 'scroungers'. The answer to that is simple, don't tell anybody you're claiming. The only people you see in Jobcentres are other claimants, not your next door neighbours passing the time of day, apart from which, why worry about what your neighbours think? You're not a rapist or a paedophile, you're just out of work.
"CMAT - Never cooked a meal in my life and wouldn't have a clue how, and not bothered in the least"
You're talking my language mate...why would anyone want to bust their plums slaving for hours attending to the cooker when you can go to the local Wetherspoons, get a 14oz steak and a pint for £7 quid!
You're talking my language mate...why would anyone want to bust their plums slaving for hours attending to the cooker when you can go to the local Wetherspoons, get a 14oz steak and a pint for £7 quid!
Had my shopping delivered last week and I rarely see the bill as girlfriend does it,as I was taking it into the kitchen asked how much it came to £120 just for a weeks grocerys that was just basics no luxury items.How anyone affords to eat decently if skint must be impossible..
£120 ?????????????????????????? Is it all from Waitrose or something? Dunno what you're eating but ours is no where near that.
Because they are pleading poverty. It would also depend upon whether all the kids could eat there, as well. Plus the breast-feedng for the twins, obviously.
giggilo,
if you're spending £120 a week on food for 2 people then I suggest you cut back on the lobster and the wagyu beef.
if you're spending £120 a week on food for 2 people then I suggest you cut back on the lobster and the wagyu beef.
What's the deal here, that works out to £8.50 a day per person, you can of course eat cheaper but that is hardly extravagant
8.50 a day, every day is pretty extravagant. What the hell are they buying?
I spend more on my hound.
It's all relative. If you can afford it, why not.
I can cook a pot of stew for less than a tenner that would feed a family for a couple of days. Or if you are a veggie lentil soup for a couple of quid. So there are ways to eat well for not much (if you can cook) But if you can afford a nice piece of steak or some lambs chops, then as i say, why not..
It's all relative. If you can afford it, why not.
I can cook a pot of stew for less than a tenner that would feed a family for a couple of days. Or if you are a veggie lentil soup for a couple of quid. So there are ways to eat well for not much (if you can cook) But if you can afford a nice piece of steak or some lambs chops, then as i say, why not..
I know what I spend on food and how well I live and im just baffled when people claim it costs so much to eat decently. I think it may be partly explained by parents who are dictated to by their children and cook separately for each (usually expensive junk food) rather than making one family meal like we used to years ago.
maybe in the shanty towns of southern India but here 8.50 a day is never extravagant, you can buy some salami in waitrose for nearly 3 quid, not sure if that counts as luxury
Simple ways to save.
Do you need meat in every meal? Not really.
Do as bhoys said cook in bulk and freeze.
I did a stew last week fed three of us for two days. Ok I popped a bottle of red in but you on budget leave it out.
And a simple way is grow some food at home. Much tastier fresher and costs you the seed price and a bit of effort.
Do you need meat in every meal? Not really.
Do as bhoys said cook in bulk and freeze.
I did a stew last week fed three of us for two days. Ok I popped a bottle of red in but you on budget leave it out.
And a simple way is grow some food at home. Much tastier fresher and costs you the seed price and a bit of effort.
And my last typed word on the previous post is the KEY word to all of this.
Many are lazy and take the easy option.
Many are lazy and take the easy option.
easier to lay your tips then everyone is loaded
Feel free to profit from them then bb.
On the actual issue being discussed 8.50 is extravagant. If your spending 8.50 a day on basic groceries then it is extravagant in the context of a discussion about the current affordability of food for people because clearly a person spending that amount isn't really bothered about the cost and will eat what they want without even knowing how much they spend. As per the Giggilo.
I work outdoors in a physical job. Often don't bother with brekkie. 2 sarnies for lunch, then evening meal. Fit as a flea.
Am I in poverty?
Am I in poverty?
his weekly shop probably included toilet stuff,kitchen stuff drink,etc,etc,the food isnt the dearest part of the weekly shop
sssh dont mention the sky subs, 1st time, or theyll be onto it!
Ignorance is bliss, I truly, truly, cannot believe that any person can even argue the point, this country is completely fooked.
Ignorance is bliss, I truly, truly, cannot believe that any person can even argue the point, this country is completely fooked.
When I mention about this country being ripe at last for some kind of revolution, and from all that ive witnessed and read about, Id be very very surprised if people will put up with the current state of affairs much longer.
How much money do you want Tony. (A year, including anything 'in kind' such as free prescriptions)
Give me a figure.
Give me a figure.
Id be very very surprised if people will put up with the current state of affairs much longer
they were saying that back in the 60's man
they were saying that back in the 60's man
EO – you beat me to the punch lol
So what does Tony etal propose in his ‘revolution’ I wonder? The higher rate tax payers on 50%+ tax (40% income tax plus both sets of NI) should have it bumped up further to mabe 80%+ 1970s style so that the jobless sad acts can have more each week?
So what does Tony etal propose in his ‘revolution’ I wonder? The higher rate tax payers on 50%+ tax (40% income tax plus both sets of NI) should have it bumped up further to mabe 80%+ 1970s style so that the jobless sad acts can have more each week?
another load of shoite next time your in spain or teneriffe spend some time looking around the hotel bins you,ll see well dressed middle class people getting what they can out of them
yeah so your saying the spanish people dont donate to food banks??
they do you so what a load of shoite back in yer face.
yeah so your saying the spanish people dont donate to food banks??
they do you so what a load of shoite back in yer face.
Injera. I want my sky subs!! cant you see?and my cigarettes. Wide screen etc. all paid for by you lot.were all the same, as Im sure you re aware.Feck me!! Im being really serious when I can't understand how you just cant see what's going on.Im not even being rude when I call people ignorant or thick, because it's a fact.
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