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the boy who killed his teacher
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One argument against capital punishment is that innocent people may get executed. How many innocent people have been killed because we do not have capital punishment , I wonder?
Can there be reasonable doubt in this case? |
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How many innocent people have been killed because we do not have capital punishment , I wonder?
My guess is zero. |
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Your guess is wrong.
For every murderer released who murdered again, somebody innocent died. I'd bet it's more than one. |
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in what way is this 16 year old piece of filth "innocent" ?
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call me a taxi 05 Nov 14 00:59
Your guess is wrong. For every murderer released who murdered again, somebody innocent died. I'd bet it's more than one. Blame the system that released them back into society. Capital punishment is NOT a deterrent. Platini 05 Nov 14 10:39 in what way is this 16 year old piece of filth "innocent" ? Who has suggested he's innocent? |
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I saw some stats that said that criminals who had received capital punishment were a zero risk of reoffending.
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send them to Birmingham. as bad as it might be for them, we doant want them in the capital
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He looks strangely like Maxine Carr imo
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Those released on parole should be forced to live close to those who have permitted them to be released early.
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I read that we have a better murder conviction rate nowadays as juries were much more reluctant to convict if they knew the defendant could hang. We also have much longer sentences now for murder and more people with a whole life tariff than ever before.
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Mikael D'Haguenet
Blame the system that released them back into society. Capital punishment is NOT a deterrent. Where is your proof? Look how many murders there were before 1965 when hanging was abolished, and compare that to todays figures. Don't quote yankland, they sit on 'death row' for years while they faff about deciding when to finish them off. Hanging stops re-offending 100%. |
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If we don't have capital punishment then life should mean just that and they should be on minimum rights in jail ie bed, warmth, food, exercise and toilet/washing facilities. Everything else would need to be earned through good behaviour.
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I don't agree with the death penalty
1 It makes us no better than the murderer 2 Innocent people have already been hanged in the past so would have Stefan Kizkow/Barry George Life though should mean life and with no release |
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Steamship 06 Nov 14 11:51
I don't agree with the death penalty As posted before, we should impose the death penalty on those that are 100% guilty. |
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100% yes, like this pr1ck
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Mikael Haguenet, " wet liberal and sanctimonious shithead". At least you are honest about it.
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see the Maxine Carr likeness
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I'm always honest, you thick c*nt.
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the bar for the supposedly widely understood notion of 'human being' - is absurdly low : at present, anything with two arms and two legs gets taken for a human. Well thats all wrong - many people fail to manifest fully, their development is interrupted. End result: something that has only morphology in common with a truly human being.
They are waste material, biomass. they ain't people ! just cos they drive cars, drink cups of tea and visit their nan - that don't make 'em human. |
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they are no m ore to blame for their incompleteness than we are, and should be humaely discorporated and recycled into the environment. I'd say 'killed', but that suggests human - and it is these beings very lack of humanity that brings them to our attention in the first place.
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psychopaths cannot be treated to enable a return of their humanity, due to the bits you might want to 'treat' being absent in the first pl
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Oh dear...here we go again with the wet liberal view about hanging / punishment in general.
I just do not understand modern thinking about human rights. Anyone who commits a crime against another person or persons deprives their victim of at least some of their human rights. Even the most minor crime against someone deprives that someone of the right to live peacefully. Hence, punishment should do the following: Act as a deterrent to others through depriving the person committing the crime of AT LEAST the same level of human rights the crime deprived the victim of. Therefore, logically, a cold-blooded murder (and in this case it was) has deprived the teacher of her life. Hence, let's deprive the filthy piece of scum of his life - regardless of his age. Also, as for him being of 'sound mind'. Well, perhaps he was when he was interviewed by these experts but how can he have been when he killed the teacher? Hence, I would suggest that he will never be released because who can tell if he will lapse back into the state of mind he was in when he committed the crime? Thus, the taxpayer is going to be cost millions of pounds for no good reason. A terrible, terrible case made worse by the posturing of certain officials who couldn't keep their gobs shut but then wouldn't take questions. in the UK, we seem to have totally lost the art of keeping your mouth shut..... |
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If your deranged you cannot underange someone, to believe you can or even try is just a fruitless exercise, I suspect this pond life will not be released any time in the next 30 years.
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The bloke who was tasered by Welsh police after murdering his victim in an act of cannibalism, had died.
Good job. Saved the taxpayer a fortune. He had recently been released from prison, but the 'experts' no doubt considered him safe, as long as he didn't live near them, of course. |
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People who are bad judges of character need to be locked up to secure the safety of the general public
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What needs to happen is that many more prisons are built and longer sentences imposed.
It is the same people over and over again committing most crimes. What a joke of an expression "career criminal" is. It's in the interest of the probation service to release supposedly safe convicts otherwise what's the point of them. |
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the sentence imposed on will cornick was the longest ever for a under 16 i am told
they said there was nothing to suggest he would do what he done yet he planned it for three fckn years ,they said he was a quiet lad yet he was on internal isolation whatever the fck that is ,they showed a pic of a clean cut boy yet when he committed the murder he had long hair and claimed to worship the devil and told a lot of people he hated that teacher and was going to kill her ,the press distort the picture and ignore the facts and no real meaningful questions get asked .They said his parents were not to blame ,but what exactly is the criteria they came to that based on ? a whole lot of questions and none will even be asked . spoilt middle class brat kills the only person that ever stood up to him imo ,also he claimed devil worship and hailed from a faith school ,if this had happened in an islamic school the press orgy would be immense . its total bullshit and anyone trying to scatch the surface of what really happened is thwarted and called a wet liberal . UK already locks up more than any other European country and locks up more and more kids ,this was the first murder of a teacher in school for a long long time and every angle should be looked into . |
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Apparently the death penalty is not a deterrent. I have no idea why. But you see stuff in US where they have the death penalty or some proper harsh penalties, like 50 years plus for a standard murder, in a gang filled godawful prison and you just think why? Why isnt it a deterrant? I mean if you told me that bank robbery had no deterrant, I couldnt promise I wouldnt at least be tempted, I mean a year or two's salary for half an hour's work. Fk the morality of stealing, I would just be saying I promise I wont hurt you, just give me the money, stop crying, I proper promise no one is gonna get hurt because there is literally no deterrant.
Sometimes there are more questions than answers. |
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Actually we moan about our sentences but they are draconian compared to some other European countries, Anders Breivik was sentenced to between 10-21 years for the mass Killings of 77 PEOPLE in Norway
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Their reasoning is that draconian sentencing doesnt stop crimes. See my previous post. Can you answer any of the questions I brought up?
Namely.. Does harsh sentencing reduce these terrible crimes? If not why not? |
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I doubt anything would have deterred this nutter, and whatever the official court psychiatrists said, surely he must be a turkey twizzler short of a school dinner because although he planned this murder, he took no precautions against getting recognised and did not try to get away. It's not as if he ambushed her down a dark alley wearing a ski-mask. The sentence is immaterial really -- he belongs in a secure psychiatric hospital for life, not prison for 20 years and then out to stab the next poor sod who crosses his path.
For rational criminals, however, the main factor in a deterrent is the perceived likelihood of getting caught. |
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^too much common sense in this post. please edit.
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For rational criminals, however, the main factor in a deterrent is the perceived likelihood of getting caught. An interesting thought. So to stop all these murders in USA, for instance, we need more cops ensuring they dont get away with it rather than stiff sentences. Or more cctv cameras and electrical monitoring of people and stuff and tracking what they do. Like going more toward a police state but without the stiff sentencing. |
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rob_dylan 07 Nov 14 16:30
Their reasoning is that draconian sentencing doesnt stop crimes. See my previous post. Can you answer any of the questions I brought up? Does harsh sentencing reduce these terrible crimes? If not why not? Harsh sentencing may well reduce repeat offending So do you think 10-21 for murdering 77 people is too harsh ? |
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http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/DonohueDeter.pdf
The view that the death penalty deters is still the product of belief, not evidence. The reason for this is simple: over the past half century the U.S. has not experimented enough with capital punishment policy to permit strong conclusions. Even complex econometrics cannot sidestep this basic fact. The data are simply too noisy, and the conclusions from any study are too fragile. On balance, the evidence suggests that the death penalty may increase the murder rate |
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the law is an ass as they say and there's no real justice anywhere. See that Welsh benefits scammer got 4 years today, while Oscar Pricktorious gets 10 months for murder/homicide
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was the welshie armed ?
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Pricktorious gets 10 months for murder/homicide
You just making stuff up now Plat  |