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he is saying these stories are avoided by sections of the media
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ps check out the guardian - more interested in the feminism t shirt story
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Surely, if it's not getting any 'hits/visits' then it's being being avoided by the public. The medium hasn't avoided it...the readers have! It's there for them to read, and they choose not to.
Unless you are saying that the number of actual 'hits/visits' is being deliberately misrepresented by the BBC.  |
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It would be interesting to ask the forumites how THEY would protect these kids. I refer, mainly, to the ones who hang around the Kebab shops when they should be in bed.
How would YOU keep them safe? |
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Curfews.
Kids considered to be 'at risk' to be electronically tagged. Like the ASBO bracelets are/were. Different ages to be off the streets at different times. Tagged to be in their house by a certain time, or alarms go off. |
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Well, that's fine and dandy, but you already know that they're 'out and about' because you can see them. They are there, hanging about round the shops. You don't need some electronic device to TELL you that.
The question is: What are you going to DO about it? You sound just like a council member or one of the social workers. What are you actually going to do that will stop the 'alarms' going off? It gets a bit difficult, doesn't it when you put yourself into the same position as those who are so easily blamed by the public and the media. So, what do you do now that the lights are all flashing and the bells are all ringing? |
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I think CMAT is busy organising a leafleting campaign. Time for some hard talking. These youngsters need to understand that they are very naughty girls. This is not a time to mince words!
Anyway, CMAT has had them all 'tagged' even though they haven't committed any offence. They all have to be in by their allotted time or.............hmmm. he fails to say or what. Probably still deciding upon how to punish them and how severely. Will they get more punishment for cutting off their tags or will they just accept them as a badge of naughtiness? Will they be physically restrained from going out? Chained to the radiator, perhaps? Is it even legal to restrain somebody against their wishes? So many questions...so few answers. And this, of course, is the type of situation that is faced everyday by those departments that try to protect children...some of them simply do not want to be protected by you. They want to do what they want to do. You can't MAKE them go home. You can't even make them hang around somewhere other than the kebab shop. You can't actually MAKE them do anything! The situation of a police officer witnessing an adult in bed with an underage girl is different. That is an offence in progress and the man should have been arrested on the spot. |
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You're obsessed with sordid subjects, naydam.
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I take it you've not been reading the thread?
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naydam 30 Oct 14 00:49
Well, that's fine and dandy, but you already know that they're 'out and about' because you can see them. They are there, hanging about round the shops. You don't need some electronic device to TELL you that. Are you stupid, or being deliberately obtuse? Nobody needs to know that they're outside a kebab shop before the curfew has started. The alarms are only set to go off if they're not at home when the curfew begins. The question is: What are you going to DO about it? You sound just like a council member or one of the social workers. You won't find my method of dealing with paedophiles in any council book. But you can buy pliers and rope anywhere. What are you actually going to do that will stop the 'alarms' going off? Stupid question. You can't stop the alarms going off if the child is still out after curfew has begun, that's the idea of them. It gets a bit difficult, doesn't it when you put yourself into the same position as those who are so easily blamed by the public and the media. Well I wouldn't facking cover it up for fear of upsetting 'the community', you can bank on that. So, what do you do now that the lights are all flashing and the bells are all ringing? Ask them why they're still out after curfew. The reason(s) given will probably be a lie anyway, so pick them up in police vans and take them home to their parents. If they come from a children's home, take them back to it. If they persistently scarper from either, put them under lock and key, with no exceptions, until the morning. If this is deemed an infringement under the 'Human Rights Act' ask the child if they'd rather be locked up or raped, and possibly murdered, by a paedophile. Show them photographs of raped or murdered children to hammer the point home. Normal adults don't have conversations with groups of teenagers in the street, so invent another new crime, and immediately arrest any adults who are seen pestering them, irrespective of their race. If all this means getting more police officers on the street, do it. |
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Skimmed it.
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This is a fred about wholesale ignorance and damn right criminal negligence regarding Social Workers - Plod etc.
It isn't about how to keep children chained up. It's about ignoring them when they report the abuse and no fecker doing anything about it! |
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check out the guardian the manchester guardian!!! manchester police commissioned report - comments - you are joking - no comment ha ha!!!!
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instead they run a story on ch4s planned piss take of ukip in no10 - comments of course are open
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Hmmm. Judging by the somewhat harsh and, no doubt physical, measures that CMAT intends to use, the kids might be safer in jail. You've got them tagged, arrested, thrown into police vans and then confined for the night. You are going to be really popular.
Same again tomorrow night? Probably not, they'll just remove the tags (which you have no right to fit in the first place!). We won't bother discussing the wire or the pliers. |
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Hmmm. Judging by the somewhat harsh and, no doubt physical, measures that CMAT intends to use, the kids might be safer in jail.
Being tagged and locked up for the night is worse than being raped or murdered??? What a strange person you are. Same again tomorrow night? Probably not, they'll just remove the tags (which you have no right to fit in the first place!). They are fitted for their safety, to stop them wandering all over town in the early hours. I sense you don't like that idea either. Are you a paedophile? We won't bother discussing the wire or the pliers. It was rope, not pliers. |
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It was rope, not wire.
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Sorry, the wire must have been another idea. Wouldn't they just remove the tags? Or, would they be punished for that?
They haven't got much of a life, have they? Locked up every night. They'll probably just start skipping school, assuming that they attend, and hanging round the kebab shop all day instead of all night. |
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Once upon a time in a country called England there used to be policemen who would be known to the public by name and they would know what was going on the area they represented.
Police know girls hang around late at night. They know that some dodge school. 1) talk to them 2) establish their age and reason for being out late or off school 3) find out where they live and who their friends/parents are. 4) develop intelligence regarding their 'friends' 5) if these 'friends' are up to no good, bring the force of the law down on them so hard they'd be scared to drop litter in the street let alone abuse kids. |
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naydam 30 Oct 14 14:54
Sorry, the wire must have been another idea. Wouldn't they just remove the tags? Or, would they be punished for that? Yes. Then they can me micro-chipped instead. You do understand that this is for their own good. don't you? Or are you having problems with that idea? They haven't got much of a life, have they? Better than being murdered, or vanished, as they have no body in Blackpool. Charlene Downes body was never found, it was 'ALLEGEDLY' chopped up by a gang of pakistani kebab shop owners. Locked up every night. They'll probably just start skipping school, assuming that they attend, and hanging round the kebab shop all day instead of all night You seem to want these kids on the street rather than trying to find find a solution. Are you playing with a full deck here? |
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I'm only trying to see it from the kids' point of view. I would guess that most of them already have problems with accepting authority so I just can't see them tolerating all these further restrictions. They aren't criminals. You can't just tag them 'for their own good'. You have no right to ask them to move on or insist that they go home unless they break the law.
I'm not trying to find a solution...I'm simply pointing out that the problem isn't as easily solved as many people seem to think. People are always quick to condemn the authorities, without giving one moment's thought to WHAT the authorities can actually do in these circumstances. Just take as an example your efforts to find ways to make sure that the girls are safely tucked up in bed. Can you really say that tagging them or locking them in cells overnight would solve the problem? I say they would rebel and they would be even more out of control than before. All the cards are liable to enter play when playing with a full deck. |
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A laughable report released today by Ann Coffey regarding child sex exploitation.
. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-29803799 |
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'Appointment of a CSE Champion with a specific remit of developing new models of working across police and local authority boundaries and more pooling of individual budgets and innovative use of existing budgets.............blah blah blah'
Herein lies the problem...this management speak or bull**** that completely misses the point. She went on to say the public, yes the public need to change their attitudes towards child grooming.... She mentions kids dressing provocatively... I could write a report into child abuse. It would go something like this... 'If anyone so much as touches an underage girl with or without consent you will go to jail.If you're a police officer and you fail in your duty to serve and protect the community, you will go to jail' |
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But then you have the problem that, when these girls DO report offences, nobody believes them. This forum is full of people who won't believe what the girls/women say. So what is the point of reporting it?
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Thousands of cases were reported in the Manchester area.
The police didn't listen because they didn't want to upset the Asian community. The Coffey report is an embarrassment. A cover up. |
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CSE Champion - what dreadful use of language, sounds like someone with responsiblity for promoting CSE not preventing it...
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naydam 30 Oct 14 17:57
I'm only trying to see it from the kids' point of view. 'The kids' point of view is wrong. That's why there were 1,400 cases in Rotherham. 'The kids' thought they knew best. I would guess that most of them already have problems with accepting authority so I just can't see them tolerating all these further restrictions. Why not? Adults get them. They aren't criminals. You have no right to ask them to move on or insist that they go home unless they break the law. 'The law' clearly favours non-whites in that respect. When the one eyed one handed Imam was outside Finsbury Park Mosque openly preaching hatred of the west, it took the police two years to stop him. He was clearly breaking the law. During a Sikh Festival in Newham, the roads were brought to a complete standstill by a few thousand of them having a procession along the main road. To be fair, they weren't breaking the law but were a huge hindrance to traffic, as the knobheads in the Council let them have their procession on the same day that West Ham were playing at home. The BNP weren't breaking the law either when they TRIED to hold a rally in Stratford, Newham. When the crowd 'swelled' to about 2 dozen, they were moved on by mob handed police. Spot the differences. |
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I'm only trying to see it from the kids' point of view. I would guess that most of them already have problems with accepting authority
That may have some small merit but when the kids have GONE to the police and said they have been raped and beaten up they deserved to be heard surely ? |
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CMAT. How are your 'one law for non-whites' views relevant here. I simply said that the police have no rights to move these kids on if they are not breaking the law.
Your usual soapbox topic has nothing to do with this. One-eyed, one-horned preachers are not the topic. Nor is the BNP. As far as I know, adults only get tagged, curfewed, or denied access to certain areas/districts as the direct result of a court case. These kids haven't been to court. They are not going to accept your attempts to impose your will on them, regardless of how much you believe it's for the best. |
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Lets have an enquiry and cover it all up - asians - it never happened. We live in a sick society.
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naydam 30 Oct 14 21:43
CMAT. How are your 'one law for non-whites' views relevant here. I simply said that the police have no rights to move these kids on if they are not breaking the law. Your usual soapbox topic has nothing to do with this. One-eyed, one-horned preachers are not the topic. Nor is the BNP. WALOFS you post, are you another Guardian reader like Facts? I think you'll find that solely because of the ethnicity of the vast majority of the paedophiles, the whole issue was covered up so not to upset the asian community. |
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naydam
30 Oct 14 21:43 As far as I know, adults only get tagged, curfewed, or denied access to certain areas/districts as the direct result of a court case. These kids haven't been to court. They are not going to accept your attempts to impose your will on them, regardless of how much you believe it's for the best. Tommy Robinson, the one time leader of the EDL was stopped by the police from walking along the main road through Tower Hamlets on his way to Woolwich on a Lee Rigby charity walk. He had committed no crime. He asked the police why he was stopped, and was reputedly told 'This is an asian area.' |
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We KNOW who the perpetrators were/are. I thought we were discussing the matter of how difficult it can be, in reality, for the authorities to protect the girls. Not about cover-ups or prosecutions.
You know, when I asked for your suggestions as to what YOU would do to keep these young girls out of harm's way. We aren't playing 'racist top trumps', we are seeking suggestions of what you think the authorities could do to protect these girls from themselves. I merely pointed out that the problem was a lot more difficult than one might think. |
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I posted my ideas, you shot them down.
But I wont lose any sleep over it. |
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Sorry, I didn't realise that there was one exception. Good old Tommy Robinson. Why didn't I remember him?
Does 'reputedly' mean like kinda gossipy? |
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Fiona Woolf position now untenable..
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For once, I agree with naydam.
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Gone, and not before time.
The next appointment should be interesting. |
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Why can't the victims groups just suggest someone to head the inquiry?
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What stands out in this whole debacle is the way the community's have all come together as one and have left no stone unturned to bring forth the actual perpetrators of these hideous crimes.
Makes me very proud to be British. |