What is not very bright artie is turning world opinion against yourself, becoming a rogue state , and alienating yourself from your allies.

This "retaliation " you speak of , is that mandatory , necessary , legal , justified ,humane  or any of above ?

What will it achieve ?

Has Israel won or lost this war artie ?

I'm no spring chicken, and there are Palestinian people of my age, hundreds of thousands of them, who have never had a permanent home, thanks to Israeli expansion. You can argue the opposing merits of the present conflagration all you like, but get back to the root of the problem, and it isn't the ordinary Palestinians to blame.

Those posters who talk of "Hamas terrorists", a la Netanyahu, should remember that Zionists became pretty good at the terror game too. Ever heard of IRGUN?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

Back to the present, and isn't it incredibly sad that a people who suffered so desperately under the Nazis should now be seen as acting like Nazis?

artie, what has been happening for many years in what is left of Palestine is that Palestinian families get 24 hours to leave their homes by the IDF; then the bulldozers come along and level their homes, where many have lived all their lives; then illegal settlements are built to house incoming Jews, often from the old Soviet Union. A large percentage of the 1.6m people who live in Gaza are refugees who have lost their homes in this way.

One of the few conditions Hamas have consistently demanded from peace talks is an end to illegal settlements. Essentially this is Israel invading Palestine. What is wrong with that?

And does it predate the annexation of their land?

Any chance of a stray missile hitting a greasy stinking kebab shop in Blackpool?

with reference to the conflict between Hamas and Fatah

Documents published in the Palestine Papers reveal that the British intelligence MI6 in 2004, helped draw up a security plan for Fatah-led Palestinian Authority. The plan mentioned as an objective, "encourage and enable the Palestinian Authority (PA) to fully meet its security obligations under Phase 1 of the Roadmap". It proposes a number of ways of "degrading the capabilities of rejectionists", naming Hamas, PIJ (Palestinian Islamic Jihad) and the al-Aqsa Brigades.
The plan was described by the Guardian as a "wide-ranging crackdown on Hamas". The supposed plan for a Fatah counter-insurgence against Hamas backfired in June 2006, when Hamas won the 2006 elections.

Several sources speak of considerable involvement by the US, Israel and Arab states, after Hamas announced the formation of its own security service, the Executive Force, which was denounced by Mahmoud Abbas as unconstitutional.
The Presidential Guard of Mahmoud Abbas was enlarged and equipped, and its members trained by the US, Egypt and Jordan. Also, a PLC council member for Hamas, Anwar Zaboun, believes that ″Mohammed Dahlan had a big plan to remove the roots of Hamas, the resistance, in Gaza and the West Bank″.

According to the IISS, the June 2007 escalation was triggered by Hamas' conviction that the PA's Presidential Guard, loyal to Mahmoud Abbas, was being positioned to take control of Gaza. The US had helped build up the Presidential Guard to 3,500 men since August 2006.
The US committed $59 million for training and non-lethal equipment for the Presidential Guard, and persuaded Arab allies to fund the purchase of further weapons. Israel, too, allowed light arms to flow to members of the Presidential Guard. Jordan and Egypt hosted at least two battalions for training.

Your comment  may be worth a ban, who can say?
But Irish_Celtic aka northernlad won't report it, as he's a muslim.

But he reported my response to him, which is good going when he says he blocked my posts and can't read them.

Who has ever admitted racism on here?

They must have their reasons, which you or I don't know about. 

If they have no intention of having a 'ceasefire', why agree to it in the first place?

Why the caps, as though you must try to shout down Taxi ?

Also your last post is ridiculous

would you like to debate it ?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-ban-kimoon-declares-israeli-attack-on-un-school-a-criminal-act-9645278.html

Mercury Magic ew 4.15

soz 4th

Mercury Magic didn't go early pace and struggled in last

r.o. well ........ needs further or slower opposition