Netanyahu says there will never be a real Palestinian state
Philip Weiss on July 15, 2014

Just in case you thought Netanyahu said that a while ago I have included the date.

brigust

Netanyahu can say what he likes. He's a politician. He'll be gone sooner or later. Remind us who it was who stopped a Palestinian state being created? Remind us who it was who wanted to steal that land and incorporate it into their own territory. I'll give you a clue. It wasn't the Jews. It was their fellow Mmuslims and Israel gave them a bloody good hiding in the 40's and then again when they came waving the big stick in the 60's and 70's.

Irish_Celtic    31 Jul 14 22:28 
You really are showing a lack of class and dignity.

Point scoring and smiley faces ,
proof needed that war crimes
and excessive force used
while women and children
die in safe places
66% of gaza are under
16 but who cares as
long as eternaloptomist
goes to bed smug and happy
after teaching the lefties
not to bang their pots and pans too loudly

Dignity, from this moron

IrishnorthernladCeltic

do you like your mate ExtremeX, aka Menelaus, so much, that you decided to copy his posting style of half a line at a time (the style he uses to try and hide who he is) 

or could it possibly be that you forgot which name you're logged in as, and you're also ExtremeX????

We should be told.

Collective punishment is a war crime.

Strongly evidenced by the destruction of Gaza's only power station. If that's not deliberately targeting innocents, what is?

Alias clearly carries the day. There's no coming back from being called a fascist. Even if his argument is complete nonsense the accusation of being a fascist always wins out. It's the royal flush of forum discourse.

You didn't use the words themselves but it is clear you had the final solution in mind with your reference to what the Nazis did in Warsaw with the Jews which was an integral part of the final solution.

I didn't mention the Jews either, just WARSAW UPRISING. And no, what you refer to was not "an integral part of the final solution", and my inference was obvious - a people captive, CONCENTRATED and incarcerated in a relatively small area, unable to escape either captivity or attack by their oppressors.
What a disingenuous, deranged wretch you are.
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Well probably because when you think of commies you think of evil but of course let's not forget the sainted Nelson or should I say multi millionaire man of the people Mandela?

He might've been the richest man on earth, but it was immaterial while being imprisoned by your Nazi chums for 27 years.

Alias

Let's not get sidetracked by Mandela who became a great statesman. I'll just make the simple statement that a true communist doesn't leave millions in his will. See if you can work that out yourself. Once again I'll leave your ad hominem attacks and comments linking me to Nazis to one side. They are the actions of a desperate man but keep it up and I will lay waste to you on that issue as well.

On this specific issue you're dancing. Pause for a moment. Either you were referencing Warsaw with reference to the Jews or you weren't. My guess is you were. Correct me if I'm wrong. I've already explained why the comparison is so far off the mark as to be otiose but allow me to remind you of the salient facts:

Many hundreds of thousands were crowded into inhumane conditions in Warsaw on a proverbial postage stamp. Gaza is incomparably bigger in comparison to space and numbers and over many years has been in receipt of more aid from Israel than the vast majority of the worlds other nations. There is also a long list of other assistance Israel has provided to the Palestinians which I put up on the politics forum and where nobody was able to rebut a single one. Totally different.

The Warsaw ghetto was implemented to facilitate the final solution. You may not like that apparently being a Jew hater but hey history is history. The Jews were there as a prelude to being murdered. The Palestinians are not. Totally different.

The Jews had no say in what was happening. The situation in Gaza is again incomparable. It was under military occuption by Egypt until the late 60's. A decade ago Israel gave it the right to self governance and did so unilaterally despite being repeatedly subjected to rocket attacks. Would Egypt have allowed that? Who knows but they didn't when they had the chance. Them's yer muslim brothers sucker. Totally different.

The walls which Israel has built have been done to help prevent the inconceivably horrendous suicide bombs which were ripping their people apart. They wanted the nutters kept out of Israel. The Nazis wanted the Jews kept in Warsaw prior to their mass slaughter. Totally different.

There is no evidence of any policy of Israel deliberately killing or targeting civilians. That was the whole reason for the final solution. Totally different.

Estimates vary but up to six million Jews were systematically murdered by the Nazis as a part of a deliberate policy. At the most a few thousand Palestinian civilians have been killed with the vast majority of these dying as I said through negligence or in an attempt to get the fundamentalist nutters hiding in their midst but none as far as I know as a deliberate attempt by the Israeli state to wipe out the Palestinians en masse. Totally different.

And now on to the height of your pi55 poor argument:


and my inference was obvious - a people captive, CONCENTRATED and incarcerated in a relatively small area, unable to escape either captivity or attack by their oppressors.

War is shiit. All war. Civilians often find themselves in such situations when conflict arises. They are often seen in their hundreds of thousands as collateral damage. Our own country is guilty of this as are many of the western powers. During WW2 we took it in turns to deliberately lay waste to whole cities which had no strategic military use other than to demolarise the populace.

It's not for me to tell the Palestinian people how to order their society but I wouldn't think it wise to allow terrorist organisations to operate in their midst from their schools and hospitals. If they do that it is a dangerous situation to put themselves in because obviously Israel are going to seek to target these terrorist nutters to prevent them targeting Israeli civilians. I can see why the terrorist nutters do this. A dead civilian is a good civilian for propaganda purposes. Especially a Paalestinian. While I'm at it, and it is just a thought, but maybe they should think about stopping firing rockets into Israel, fill in the terror tunnels, renounce Hamas and get all reference to the elimination of the State Of Israel removed from all literature. You see? There does seem to be a way to work through this situation to a workable solution and not a final one. The Jews also had a choice under the Nazis. They could die slowly or quickly. Totally different.

Just a thought. Who knows they may find Israel a more amenable neighbour? And if they aren't I'd guess there would be a lot less sympathy for Israel and more for the Palestinians.

This is another sucker I'm done with. Drag him out and send me another if anybody can find one. Preferably one with a little more intelligence and less prone to hissy fits.


By the way none of this is any kind of claim that Israel hasn't acted badly here both from a humanitarian perspective and indeed in facilitating a lasting settlement. But I ain't taking a speck out of the Jews eye while the beam sits there in their enemy combatants eyes. That is just not cricket.

Did you expect honesty?

We have seen again for the 25th is it ? day in a row , what Israel are made of.

Lose a couple of soldiers in combat , and what is their reaction ?

That's right , level a village with tank fire killing anywhere between 40- and 100 people.

Their game plan is there for the world to see now, a 3k wide strip of land (44% of Gaza ) has been levelled and occupied (maybe permanently )

The world sits and watches genocide and ethnic cleansing taking place and does nothing.

Meanwhile a handful of racist bigots on betfair forum defend the indefensible.

Shame on them.

The Hamas leader was asked "Why do you store weapons in schools and hospitals?". His answer was "This is all lies spread by Israel". When told these weapons had been seen by UN inspectors,he just changed the subject.Both interviews well worth watching.Full of bluff,waffle and bluster and incredible evasiveness.

If a terrorist network stockpiled RPGs in the school near me I wouldn't approve of the military taking upon themselves to flatten the entire neighbourhood

I would, if it was Tower Hamlets. Let's hope they pinpoint the Mayor and his cronies as well!

Irish

Prior to Israel invading how long have rockets been fired into Israel and in all that time how many posts have you submitted to the forum condemning the activity?

In all the time the Israeli civilians were subject to suicide bombings how many posts did you submit to the forum condemning the activity?

If you can't remember exactly a rough guess will suffice.

I'll guess none.

Over to you.

Are you a Jew hater Irish? Just for the record of course.

Again - they fall back on anti Semitism as a defence for barbarism. Pathetic and shameful. I have said nothing bigoted against Jews I have only ever spoken about Israels actions.

Unlike eternaloptimist who made a racist comment last night about asylum seekers when speaking of Palestinians.

His friend call me a taxi declared it would be best to destroy all Muslim countries .

So that's the bottom line - white English gentlemen of a certain age - unashamed of their racism and allowed to parrot it here continuously month after month.

Shameful.

You are a Muslim hater .

Your opinion on this conflict is meaningless. You have 25 k posts mostly about immigration and Muslims.

You are a very sick man . You claim to have a disabled wife in a wheelchair but yet you are here 24/7 posting racist drivel.

I am not a Jew hater , I hope you are happy.
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can anybody tell me why the Americans are such a big ally of Israel? I don't get it, other than buying weapons I don't get the link. Israel don't even have any oil

^^^^^

It's those nasty, evil Jews, you see.

Saw a news report- Ben Gurion airport

one of Hamas rockets shook guys latte

saying he is NOT  a Jew Hater has gone to his head, he's in overdrive now to correct his obvious mistake in writing it.

Your right there is no deflecting from the fact you plainly hate Jews, your previous  two posts should  really have said Israelis but I suppose Jews is quicker to write.