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yes, America, where 2% of the population run everthing
you've got to love the irony of Israel's treatment of Palestine, isn't killing civilians like this classed as murder? |
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Hebron
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Often stuff is posted about the holocaust denial - it causes outrage and rightly so.
Who denies this treatment of the Palestinians ? Will they say in years to come they never knew it was happening ? |
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http://w01.freezepage.com/a/14069/09211XPDLSKVFJP/0
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I know you've been busy spewing forth your bile against Jews Irish but I did ask you to point out where I had been racist to Palestinians. Or is it a case of fling enough mud and hope some sticks? Or in your case whatever you can scrape out of your back passage?
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What treatment of the Palestinians is it you think is being denied Irish and how does it compare to the systematic slaughter of 6 million people?
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You are a troll and will be treated as such ( I see you logged off as Mexico and came back as eternaloptimist )
Did you watch the video about ethnic cleansing in Hebron ? Is that anti Semitism or is it just showing the truth ? You made some sick comment about asylum seekers in a bedroom in regards to Palestinians . I wont converse with you again, you are a discredited racist in my book. Farewell. |
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I think you have the wrong person there Irish. I'll let it go because you are clearly on the verge here of something cataclysmic. Feel free not to converse with me again if that suits you. It shows a degree of wisdom on your part. I wouldn't want to tangle with a guy who was ripping me a new one all the time either. I hope your limp gets better soon and you stop needing pampers.
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breakdown business must be bad
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I see you logged off as Mexico and came back as eternaloptimist
Aliases are more your style Mad Lad but before you limp away could you point me to where and when this was? I don't see any posts from mexico here. |
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I blame the weather Burton. Too hot for him. It's crazy time, Irish is driving the bus and the aircon is broken. Somebody is going to have to pay.
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must be uncomfortable this weather stood next to one of those greasy kebab machines
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Think of the flies. They must hate being next to Mad Lad.
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The civilian death toll so far according to the UN.Although now, it's surely more.
Palestine civilian dead: At least 852, of whom 252 are children. Israeli civilian dead : 2 http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/ocha_opt_sitrep_01_08_2014.pdf |
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Up to 250,000 civilians have been displaced.
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"The civilian death toll so far according to the UN.Although now, it's surely more."
According to UNHCR? Who in gaza are almost entirely made up of locally appointed arabs? In an area Hamas has violently cleansed of all political opposition? Where even peaceful protesters are executed? And the so called free press are threatened and intimidated into redacting unfavourable reports and posts? Hamas aren't even palestinian arab, they are a franchise cooked up by the muslim brotherhood to escalate a front for the jihad, it's directives come mainly from qatar (al jazeera doing their bit too) and turkey. For them the more dead palestinian babies they can dangle in front of the cameras the better, by whatever means necessary. And 250,000 allegedly and temporarily displaced? Poor showing compared to the permanent stats from the Syrian branch, or even the iraqi outlet which has only just launched it's new campaign. The egypt branch floundering a bit tho... |
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in reply to the OP
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-moral-clarity-in-gaza/2014/07/17/0adabe0c-0de4-11e4-8c9a-923ecc0c7d23_story.html  |
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ABsolute rubbish polybot.
You are trying to deny the civilian death toll ? A shameful new low. Only one side are in Cairo for peace talks , and its not Israel with flowers in their hair. No Israel are again busy this morning killing women and babies in another UN shelter in Rafah. |
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aren't Hamas effectively a terrorist organisation? it seems very wrong to kill thousands of civilians just because they happen to live in Gaza, by attacking Gaza the chances of killing a Hamas member has got to be tiny. Or does Hamas represent the Palestinians?
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The LEADER OF HAMAS is sitting in a 5 star hotel in QATAR.
Guess Israel dont want to blow up a 5 star hotel. Not many Palestinians there. Lots of westerners probably. |
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so which bits are rubbish?
in addition, the entire conflict was brought about by hamas firing hundreds of rockets, by hamas kidnapping 3 kids, torturing and murdering them, by Hamas rushing to break ceasefires, by hamas spending millions of dollars and the lives 160 child labourers to build tunnels into civilian israeli areas with only one possible use israel gains nothing from this war, yet hamas gains ever more support, legitimacy and cash from rubes like you with every dead baby they parade in front of the cameras. Hardly the actions of those who just want peace and justice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWGIR6s_nDE&list=UUpBvIBfZ-foo5ZbLH5O0N4g |
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First the entire conflict was not brought about by Hamas , many would say the opposite and say it was engineered by Israel who wanted to bring down the unity agreement between Hamas and Fatah.
Second it is accepted by all sides that Hamas did not sanction the kidnap of those kids , it was done by people outside their control. By the way they were not tortured but shot within minutes of being taken. In response Israeli forces went to the house of the mother of a suspect and blew it up with dynamite.Israel then broke their agreement of the Shilat deal by re arresting 600 prisoners it had released and by killing 6 people in raids across the West bank. All the while stirring up racial hatred even though their intelligence already knew those boys were dead. Who broke what ceasefires cannot be proven , what is certain is both sides broke them. Currently the Palestinians are the only side in Cairo for peace talks.You sound completely brainwashed and unable to study the conflict without demonising Hamas and the Palestinians . What is complete and utter rubbish is for you to accuse the UN of doctoring figures of casualties in this war zone. Only a complete and utter moron would stoop to that low when we can all see the truth unfolding before our eyes. |
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First, no, the IDF operation was IN RESPONSE to qassam rocket attacks from hamas. This is undisputed by all rational sources, and even by the UN. Besides there has been no real unity since hamas rousted fatah from gaza, killing over a hundred in the process, and given the comments of abbas, no real unity now.
Second, so you are saying it is not just hamas, even non-hamas aligned palestinians are committing terrorist acts? It's relatively easy to prove who, and no, both sides can't break a ceasefire, a ceasefire is broken when one side breaks it, and after hamas broke 6 you can understand the israelis not wanting to walk into another pit. And the UN figures, who reports it? How do they know if they died from hamas rockets that fell short or were collaborators or protesters executed by hamas? Can you answer why the press were reporting hamas officials rushing in to clear missile debris evidence? But as I've said, whether real numbers or not, for hamas the more deaths the better, and for them any man , woman or child will do, palestinian arab, israeli arab, israeli christian or israeli jew. |
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polybot, two things:
how many Israelis have been killed by Hamas rockets? How many civilians have the IDF killed in reprisal? Israel has illegally stolen land and homes belonging to Palestinians - ie invaded - so is Hamas not justified in fighting back? Were the partisans of WWII not justified in fighting back against the Germans? |
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SO hamas broke 6 ceasefires no less ?
 Who told you that ? Are you on the ground to verify this ? Maybe you can explain why just hours before the 72 hour ceasefire , Israel launched an all out attack on the town of Rafah ? There is only one side killing children and you should be ashamed of your defence of this senseless murder. |
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tiptheodds, as has been said, the israelis use rockets (iron dome) to defend their people, hamas use people to defend their rockets.
In answer to both questions, were the US justified in invading and occupying german territory during WWII? Did they have a right to demand the end of the nazi party and its ideology? How many US civilians had the nazis killed and how many the US. As an aside, the founder of the palestinan movement was a close ally of the nazis. The israelis have been attacked constantly by the arabs since the UN mandate, all the lands taken in response have been the result of arab (often genocidal) aggression, and the occupied land held for defensive reasons though much was given back voluntarily, most recently gaza which was then immediately turned into a hamas military offensive position. Read the hamas covent, they do not want to return some land, they want the destruction of israel. |
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When rockets are fired at Israel, how long does it take for a IDF tank to work out where it was fired from and then fire back?
5 seconds? 5 minutes? 20 minutes? If takes more than a few minutes, chances are very high that the Hamas guys who fired those rockets are no longer in that area. So the IDF end up firing shells at whatever building was next to firing point. Great, thats really effective. Its hardly self defense. |
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Are you on the ground to verify this ?
Are you? Are you busily rushing around gaza checking where and whose rockets are being fired from and where they are landing? And I wouldn't need to be on the ground to work out who broke the ceasefire, it's the most heavily monitored spot on earth at the moment. -“I have unequivocally condemned Hamas and the Palestinian factions that were responsible for killing two Israeli soldiers and abducting a third minutes after a ceasefire was announced,” Obama said. and Obama no friend of israel, historically more supportive of the muslim brotherhood. "Maybe you can explain why just hours before the 72 hour ceasefire , Israel launched an all out attack on the town of Rafah ?" You must have felt a bit dopey after actually posting that, so i won't rub it in. "There is only one side killing children and you should be ashamed of your defence of this senseless murder." Not defending senseless murder, merely pointing out the cause. And we know of at least 3 kids killed by palestinians, as for hamas, quite a few would have died building those tunnels, and those tunnels were being built to kill quite a few more. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2014/07/31/if-liberal-elites-really-cared-about-gazan-children/ or do you believe the tunnels were to deliver festive gifts for rosh hashanah? your beliefs are clearly unshakeable by reality, but i suspect your prayers will be answered and this bloodshed will continue, until you drive the jews into oblivion, and beyond that you find another conflict to fuel. |
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-“I have unequivocally condemned Hamas and the Palestinian factions that were responsible for killing two Israeli soldiers and abducting a third minutes after a ceasefire was announced,” Obama said.
and Obama no friend of israel, historically more supportive of the muslim brotherhood. who´s making themself look a fool now? Says a lot about YOUR worldview and your ignorance. |
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Brainwashed fool has no clue what he is trying to talk about.
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a few more examples from wikipedia
Misfired rockets have also killed and injured Palestinians within the Gaza Strip. However, due to harsh restrictions in information politics and a total lack of free press in the Gaza strip, precisely reporting the number of Palestinian victims is impossible. As far as it became known, the missiles, rockets and mortars have killed six Palestinians and injured dozens more. On June 8, 2005, rockets fired at the Israeli settlement of Ganei Tal killed two Palestinian workers and one Chinese worker in a packing plant. On August 2, 2005, a rocket apparently launched by Islamic Jihad killed a 6-year-old boy and his father in Beit Hanoun.[35] On December 26, 2008 a mortar aimed at Israel killed two Palestinian girls in the Gaza Strip, aged 5 and 12.[138] Numbers from current conflict are to be clarified but at least 2 grads are thought to have hit civilians though these and other examples will be covered up. |
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"who´s making themself look a fool now?"
You are, Obama was conspicuously silent throughout all of Morsi's abuses while in power, and was constantly critical and belligerent toward Netanyahu. Mubarek was pushed aside and the MB was supported by the Obama admin right up until the egyptians revolted. |
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Brainwashed fool has no clue what he is trying to talk about.
ooooh, good comeback einstein. |
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Polybot you said Obama is no friend of Israel yet the US under Obama continues to support Israel unequivocally, where it matters, diplomatically, financially ($3.1bn pa) and militarily.
Oh and please do not quote anything from Wiki as fact, that only shows your desperation. |
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Am I missing something here? Israel have said repeatedly that if Hamas stop firing rockets at them,they will stop responding.So why don't Hamas stop ?
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Have they also said they will stop ethnic cleansing and building illegal settlements in the West Bank ?
Have they said they will end the blockade of Gaza ? Thought not. Why don't they ? |
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.....So why don't Hamas stop ? Any answers ?
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Sadly artie life is not that simple. They have said they will stop when the criminal blockade is lifted.
1.8 million people forced to live like rats in a concentration camp in the year 2014 just wont do im afraid. If they stop and go silent for the next 10 years , sadly nothing will change , most likely except the theft of more of their land by Israel. So you see ,maybe its Israel who has questions to answer , just as Hamas has questions to answer. |
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Ah.I understand.They are firing rockets resulting in thousands of deaths because of retaliation,to draw attention to their unpleasant lives. Not very bright are they ?
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