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people on benefit being made to feel like jews in nazi germany
people on benefit being made to feel like jews in nazi germany
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UK is awash with money ,but it doesn't filter down to where it should.
whats more, a lot of industrialised areas had no time to adapt to changing tastes/requirements of the UK public folk wanted either cheaper or better quality goods and didn't mind where it came from - in the cae of clothes most of it is /was made in Bangladesh etc |
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CB - debates about interest rates in the 70's just get me confused...I was only a kid then Happy
Can you think of much more (than I mentioned ) that's changed considerably regarding home-life since the 80's? ____________________ Navel- i was only a kid too but certainly remember the old man moaning about energy prices /inflation and strikes etc  home life - i would say folk are more insular now and move on more,less community spirit agreed ,(less anti social behaviour at a guess-) - much more expensive holidays , visit pubs far less and maybe made do with fish and chips -less ding out .Food was certainly much more basic ,a '70s style' food bill today would today be half of your normal shopping - the average house consists of more gadgetry ,cable TV ,various phones,i pads,pods blah blah - TV sets in every room lol add a conservatory , modern kitchen ,range,new hobs and fans with various machines and aids - showers ,en suites no outside toilets or coal bunkers decking and BBQ areas ,summerhouses -the list is endless really folk travel further to work - oh,and cars start up in the morning and run without breaking down and rusting away |
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sorry - since the 80s ,misread that as since the 70s
 ok since 1980s then err,just a few things from the above add the internet ,sky of course -prices have remained pretty stable since then - more folk seperated and living apart too |
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should add visited pubs more then , a sense of community was to be found at the local -most just come on here now
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and going back to original thread title , more claiming benfeits now too
anyway time for bed now - my English is cr@p and getting worse -thats something that has deteriorated in the UK too  nite fellas |
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CB - I did say the 80's mate...in reality, not that much has changed concerning home-life, or at least from the perspective of someone who's 48 now.
Yes, I recall cars being very unreliable and as you say, the regular diet of the day has had an overhaul and attitudes have altered dramatically in a short space of time but some of the other 'perks' you mentioned are things that we easily functioned without - I did qualify the original post by saying besides the internet, which encompasses most of the technological advances you mention. PS - I remember getting my subbuteo players trodden on (and decapitated) when the power cuts occurred  |
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Getting back to the point. It was the deregulation of the banking sector that led to the banking crisis.
Tory cuts just exacerbated the situation, led to recession and job cuts. It seems very strange for people on here who have enough money & jobs to spend much of their time gambling, to lay the blame at the unemployed's door, most of whom cannot find work. We can't compare the economic conditions of today with the 1960 where many working class men had jobs, many in heavy industry, while far fewer women worked, anymore than we can compare employment in the 1960's to employment in the Victorian era. If the government are determined to get people off benefits, they should start to invest massively in retraining people with genuine schemes to teach them new and relevant skills. Providing funds for investment bypassing the banks for new small businesses . Far too little of government money is spent on investment in things like infrastructure, and the Tories never invest in people, apart from those who are filthy rich in the first place. |
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NL5 - just where does this legendary reputation you have come from?
 You seem to be talking MY language chief  So many on here seem to be convinced you're a bellend...am I finally losing it in not seeing what everyone else can?  PS - there's a compliment mangled up in that nonsense somewhere  |
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Original poster is correct.
It suits those at the top to turn workers against non workers. Vilifying the unemployed means the others in insecure employment become more compliant and happier to work for a pittance. Meanwhile the rich avoid far more in taxes , while living in ever greater isolation and safety away from the masses. Inequality grows yet its all the fault of the unemployed/Immegrants. Nothing to do with the ruling classes making exhorbitant profits off the back of the workers |
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To understand that NG you need to go and read through the politics forum.
I say 'politics', but in reality it is nothing more than a 'race hate' forum. As I have just made clear to them if you substituted the words 'immigrant', 'Muslim', or 'Dianne Abbott', for the word 'Jew', the politics forum would make the Nazi propaganda of the 1930's on, look & sound tame in comparison. |
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you seemed to have changed sides northern lad
I agree with your last post  I think most of the comparisons, saying life is better now than in the 70s..only apply to the rich and middle class That was what Thatcherism was all about...and Cameron of course, we ignore those at the bottom of our society if the rich and middle classes cannot use them...then they are worthless In fact Cameron now thinks their benefits are in a drain on the rich and middle classes...so they are now the enemy as the OP implied... since most people are at the bottom because they cannot get a job, I find that totally unacceptable still since Thatcher and Cameron were democratically elected I assume that is the society most people want A different point is tha tof our problem with people living longer...but to propose more immigration to deal with this is frankly insane  ....since in the long term we would increase the problem not decrease it. For a government think tankto come up with that, appals me No, we must stop uncontrolled immigration now, we must stabiles our population and then gradually decrease it. To deal with the care of the elderly there are better solutions. They must care for themselves better, they care for each other or in fact our young unemployed can be trained to care for them....that is the only sensible solution and people if people live longer they must work longer, there no need for immigration, except for skills we do not have, and a trickle you always get, who do such things as cleaning toilets etc. But future populations must go down not up. |
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I'm pleased to say I've never ventured into that cess-pool - I've read threads on here about where the nutters like to hang out and that location seems to get the nod ahead of even the football hooligans' forum!
I must have said this a few times but I hate everyone equally anyhow...even white English male heterosexual BALD Scousers! The REAL enemy are the corrupt & privileged - they sicken me! |
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also of course machines and computers reduce the need for labour. Another reason we must look to decrease not increase
our population long term. I don't think we need to follow China's one child policy just yet. But poorer countries, should seriously consider this imo |
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you are extremely fair in your hatred NG
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It`s all down to the human condition. People need someone to look down on to make them feel successful and superior. Capitalism is the scourge of civilisation. There are people all over the world dying of starvation yet the West dumps excess food to keep the prices up before giving it to them.
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EG - alas, I represent every such demographic...the thatch went years ago
PS - there doesn't seem to be any legal recognition of Scousism or baldism (it's insidious  ) so I just have to take it all on the chin...my balls are big enough so why doesn't everyone else just laugh off their minority complex? |
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PS - shouldn't that have been invidious, not insidious?
OK guys...I've had a few tonight |
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4 pages of pish and i haven't even posted yet.
the economy is like an elastic band, it's pretty stretched at the moment given our national debt and ageing population. one of the easier ways to alleviate the stress is to get work shy people to work, or at least not subsidise them. yes, some people are not able to work, etc etc etc. so "people on benefit being made to feel like jews in nazi germany" is a bit offensive TBH, not to me personally but my conscience on behalf of my perception of the typical touchy fecker.... and it's partly vindicated. people in full time jobs spend half their waking lives through the week, working. that gives working people the right to gripe about it, because if our morally sound nation could not gripe about that, there wouldn't be much more worthy things to gripe about. |
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PPS - just had the lexicon out and it seems both will do in that context
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I am NOT a fascist. But it is like a lifeboat, you let too many on board, it sinks, everybody drowns.
At some stage one must say, enough is enough. Our governments first duty is to the people of this country we cannot allow uncontrolled numbers of people to enter our country, or like a lifeboat we will surely sink. What I am proposing is common sense, surely people can see that. |
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I agree with you about shy people erse2
but for people to work, there does have to be jobs I know people who cannot find a job, because there is no work so before anybody condemns them, can you please offer them a job |
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sure ebulGery,
unless you have a communist ideal, the way to create jobs is to create a job for yourself. after all, it's private enterprise that pays for the 30-40% of the workforce in public sector jobs. becoming a window cleaner earning 'only' 10K a year and propped up by income support is better than 0k income and fully reliant on benefits. |
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too many people lose their job...
go to the job centre... don't like what's on offer... point fingers. |
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Unfortunately EG the first half of your reply was right up to the immigrant & reduction in population
part. I don't have a problem with people who think immigration is a major problem or that the population should be reduced, if they but reasoned arguments to support those views though I disagree profusely with them. The problem I have with the mass majority of posters on the 'Politics' & some on 'Chit Chat' is they are not in the slightest bit interested in whether immigration is of benefit to the UK or not, they just hate foreigners or anybody from any minority group. I believe in free speech, fair play (Queensbury Rules) and all that. What the OP said about the unemployed on this thread is a thousand times more true of immigrants & Muslims in particular. At least there will be plenty of unemployed to defend themselves on a website like this, there are not likely to be many Muslims who will come out and admit it on a gambling website. So they are an easy target. This is not an 'anything goes' no matter how absurd & offensive forum/s. It is a Betfair entertainment website forum/s. There are rules that are supposed to be enforced by the moderators- 4. All users of the Betfair Forum agree not to post any item or any links to content that TSEG deems: 1. to be defamatory or discloses information that the user has no legal right to disclose, or is otherwise illegal; 2. to be (or contains anything which is) racist, vulgar, hateful, obscene, profane, threatening, insulting or offensive. Many posters have been banned for life from these forums whose comments at worst could only be seen as insulting or mildly offensive, in comparison with some of the race hate posts strictly forbidden by Betfair's own rules. You will note that 'links to content' are the first thing mentioned. Yet there is a poster who gives 'stormfront' a Neo Nazi, White Supremacist website as the link to his racist views. Other racist comments and views by these people are allowed to stand, whilst innocent posts about Cricket, Atheism/Belief & Miracles are routinely removed without any explanation from Betfair. 4.2 Clearly forbids anything which, & the first thing mentioned is racism. The politics forum is littered with 'race hate' comments from the same culprits day in, day out. Posts are rarely removed, and seemingly those who post, never warned, let alone suspended or banned. |
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there are no jobs in the job centre near me
not everybody can become self employed or set up their own business what is the cause of all this... the Credit Crunch the failure of Capitalism....the suffering it has caused especially in poorer countries is appalling all the jobs that used to be on offer in my local job centre...they have disappeared so we are now playing the blame game...where is the finger pointed? to those at the bottom of society in fact the victims..... yes I still believe in Communism.. even though I know all its faults.... we must forgoe all our fancy goods, well maybe not all, we need justice in this world I hope one day people see this |
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immigration is an extremely sensitive subject Northern lad, I accept that
but we must have control over our population numbers, I am sorry, I fear disaster otherwise |
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That EG may, or may not be the case, but is no excuse for blatant racism posted regularly on both here, but far more prevalent on the Politics Forum.
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If the government are determined to get people off benefits, they should start to invest massively in retraining people with genuine schemes to teach them new and relevant skills.
This should be happening but as our political leaders only deal on a `short termism` basis then they will not invest now to see possitive results for another party after the next general election. It is not really a vote winner so either but it would benefit society in the long run. IDS only has eyes on unemployment figures for the short term. Ideally kids should be leaving education with at least a foundation in a skill, and not just Call of Duty. |
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"That EG may, or may not be the case, but is no excuse for blatant racism posted regularly on both here, but far more prevalent on the Politics Forum. "
It saddens me to say that I agree with you on this. At the time of writing 5 of the top 8 threads on the politics forum have something to do with immigration. Sad times. |
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Why is that sad? It reflects that a majority of people are concerned that we don't have the resources to cope with a population that is continually growing.
That's not racist its sensible |
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Java are you saying that anyone who has concerns about immigration is a " blatant racist " ?
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That seemed to be the implication
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I'm fully in favour of a sensible debate on immigration, and despise when the Left hinder debate of the subject using accusations of racism.
However, I think if a forum has 70% of it's active threads on the topic of immigration, then I start to suspect something is wrong. Surely there are many other political subjects which can be debated. |
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Yes theres plenty to debate but people will discuss whats on their mind and important to them. Its obvious that the majority has realised that as a country we're full up and only natural to discuss it.
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I say 'politics', but in reality it is nothing more than a 'race hate' forum.
And yet Northy is one of the few regulars on Politics to have been given a ban. Which shows who the powers that be consider to be the racist. It doesn't take Northy long to twist any discussion into one about race. He's race mad and appears to view all white people as serious racists. |
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Of course its only a matter of time before half the posters are saying "send 'em back 'ome" and the other half are crying "racist".
That's as far as it ever gets |
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I've read up to the end of page 2 and there is some slightly mixed up thinking. We need a perm of the following...
a) A rise in immigration, not a fall. b) To significantly raise the retirement age. c) To drastically reduce the treatments provided on the NHS. d) To drastically reduce employment regulations. e) To drastically reduce the state pension. f) To freeze housing benefit. This is not a gung ho charge from the right flank, more a realistic appraisal of the situation. Europe is spectacularly uncompetitive in terms of overall labour costs, and has used up all its best natural resources. We simply cannot possibly compete with the likes of the BRICs on either front, and once they start to get more wealthy (causing appreciation of currency and higher wages), then Africa and South East Asia are on hand to fill in. We need to get real. The EU is the fat diabetic old man of the world economy - eaten too much during the good centuries. We need to get fitter or die trying. In my opinion the writing has been on the wall for a long time. I believe that a large proportion of growth in GDP in the last 50 years or so has been because of women entering the workplace. |
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Angel Gabrial hit the nail on the head regarding short termism, but then you cant say that was the case under Attlee, that wasnt short termist.
As far as ideologies are concerned privatisation is extrememe short termism. Its selling an asset (which is creating profit) for short term gain mainly for the minority at the cost of the majority. The veneer of 'investment' is always used to hide the fact that profiteering from things like energy and water where cartels exist and nobody has this 'competitive option of freemarkets' Prices always rise under a sell off, the balance of payments is always effected and the rich make a bundle. The tories benefited from around 160 billion pounds windfall during the 80s from selling North sea Oil and privatisation. If the allegations are that Labour spend other people's money then the tories steal other people's rights to 'ownership' of things. Tories are greedy fookers. I really hope somebody sticks their nut on one sharpish. |
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thats a peanut btw
(dont wish to be accused of encouraging violence) |
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extrememe short termism
that was actually a mistake, but ironically true...mememememe |